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Postby Glorious Hong Kong » Tue Feb 02, 2021 3:51 pm

Insaanistan wrote:
Glorious Hong Kong wrote:So we should bow to the unreasonable demands of radical Islamist terrorists now? All the more reason more countries, especially Muslim countries such as Malaysia, need to recognize Israel in the first place.

What are you talking about?


Insaanistan wrote:There is also another possible negative effect: and even sharper rise in Kosovars joining terrorist groups.
Kosovo is known as the IS’s hotspot in Europe. While there are reports of a significant number of these people not realizing that the groups they were joining were jihadis groups, many knew exactly what they were doing. The recognition of Israel will almost certainly lead to the radicalization of many Kosovars, further ruining the Muslim-majority nation’s image.
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Postby Insaanistan » Tue Feb 02, 2021 3:55 pm

Glorious Hong Kong wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:What are you talking about?


Insaanistan wrote:There is also another possible negative effect: and even sharper rise in Kosovars joining terrorist groups.
Kosovo is known as the IS’s hotspot in Europe. While there are reports of a significant number of these people not realizing that the groups they were joining were jihadis groups, many knew exactly what they were doing. The recognition of Israel will almost certainly lead to the radicalization of many Kosovars, further ruining the Muslim-majority nation’s image.


If you do things because jihadis don’t like them then you might as well also treat every Muslim with kindness and respect rather than suspicion.

There are certain things that are bad regardless. Unless you think the EU is siding with DAESH.
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Postby Shofercia » Tue Feb 02, 2021 4:56 pm

Insaanistan wrote:Kosovo and Israel have agreed to recognize each other and establish relations over Zoom. This decision is something that both Turkey and Serbia agree is terrible (Kebab and Remove Kebab agree on something!)

This wasn’t really brokered by the US, and was obviously just both nations wanting recognition.
Kosovars aren’t gonna be too happy about this.
There is also another possible negative effect: and even sharper rise in Kosovars joining terrorist groups.
Kosovo is known as the IS’s hotspot in Europe. While there are reports of a significant number of these people not realizing that the groups they were joining were jihadis groups, many knew exactly what they were doing. The recognition of Israel will almost certainly lead to the radicalization of many Kosovars, further ruining the Muslim-majority nation’s image. Protests are already ongoing in the country over lockdowns, talks with Serbia, and vaccine deliveries.

The EU has urged Kosovo to rethink this incredibly controversial move.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/2/2 ... =0d48fc50#
https://euobserver.com/foreign/150792
https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-43173173
https://balkaninsight.com/2020/11/11/lo ... erts-warn/


Terrible move by Israel, and I'm wondering what Netanyahu's reaction would be if Serbia recognized the West Bank...
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Postby Atheris » Tue Feb 02, 2021 5:00 pm

What Kosovo does and doesn't recognize should hold no sway. Kosovo is part of Serbia, not an independent nation.
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Postby Echo Chamber Thought Police » Tue Feb 02, 2021 5:01 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:Kosovo and Israel have agreed to recognize each other and establish relations over Zoom. This decision is something that both Turkey and Serbia agree is terrible (Kebab and Remove Kebab agree on something!)

This wasn’t really brokered by the US, and was obviously just both nations wanting recognition.
Kosovars aren’t gonna be too happy about this.
There is also another possible negative effect: and even sharper rise in Kosovars joining terrorist groups.
Kosovo is known as the IS’s hotspot in Europe. While there are reports of a significant number of these people not realizing that the groups they were joining were jihadis groups, many knew exactly what they were doing. The recognition of Israel will almost certainly lead to the radicalization of many Kosovars, further ruining the Muslim-majority nation’s image. Protests are already ongoing in the country over lockdowns, talks with Serbia, and vaccine deliveries.

The EU has urged Kosovo to rethink this incredibly controversial move.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/2/2 ... =0d48fc50#
https://euobserver.com/foreign/150792
https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-43173173
https://balkaninsight.com/2020/11/11/lo ... erts-warn/


Terrible move by Israel, and I'm wondering what Netanyahu's reaction would be if Serbia recognized the West Bank...

They do
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Postby Echo Chamber Thought Police » Tue Feb 02, 2021 5:02 pm

Atheris wrote:What Kosovo does and doesn't recognize should hold no sway. Kosovo is part of Serbia, not an independent nation.

Kosovo functions as an independent state.
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Postby Atheris » Tue Feb 02, 2021 5:03 pm

Echo Chamber Thought Police wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
Terrible move by Israel, and I'm wondering what Netanyahu's reaction would be if Serbia recognized the West Bank...

They do

Huh. I don't know why I'm surprised that North Macedonia doesn't recognize Palestine.

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Atheris wrote:What Kosovo does and doesn't recognize should hold no sway. Kosovo is part of Serbia, not an independent nation.

Kosovo functions as an independent state.

So does Transnistria. That doesn't mean it's an independent state.
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Tue Feb 02, 2021 5:07 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
SD_Film Artists wrote:Perhaps this will backfire on Israel, since they can't get closer to Russia and Turkey if they have Kosovo cramping their style.
I wonder what your attitude will be when Kosovo and Israel establish very strong bilateral relations ? What would your attitude be if Israel had close ties with Armenia and Saudi Arabia ?


It'd be surprised if they have close ties with Armenia; not that the average Israeli hates Armenia but I'd guess that relations would be frosty with how influential Israeli drones were in the recent Armenian-Azeri conflict.

It would be good if Saudi Arabia had more public ties with Israel as it would continue to dispel the myth that Palestine's struggle is every Arab's struggle.
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Postby Shofercia » Tue Feb 02, 2021 5:08 pm

Echo Chamber Thought Police wrote:
Atheris wrote:What Kosovo does and doesn't recognize should hold no sway. Kosovo is part of Serbia, not an independent nation.

Kosovo functions as an independent state.


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Postby Carrelie » Tue Feb 02, 2021 5:10 pm

Kosovo, being an independent and sovereign nation, has the right to recognise who it wants, and I don't think having ties with the also independent and sovereign nation of Israel is such a problem, like I have no problem with nations having ties with the PRC, Russia, Saudi Arabia, etc. At the end of the day, what Israel does is inconsequential, unless it decides to blow up something or start a world war.
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Postby Atheris » Tue Feb 02, 2021 5:26 pm

Carrelie wrote:Kosovo, being an independent and sovereign nation, has the right to recognise who it wants, and I don't think having ties with the also independent and sovereign nation of Israel is such a problem, like I have no problem with nations having ties with the PRC, Russia, Saudi Arabia, etc. At the end of the day, what Israel does is inconsequential, unless it decides to blow up something or start a world war.

Kosovo is not independent, sovereign, nor a nation.
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Postby Qihein » Tue Feb 02, 2021 5:32 pm

Atheris wrote:
Echo Chamber Thought Police wrote:They do

Huh. I don't know why I'm surprised that North Macedonia doesn't recognize Palestine.

Echo Chamber Thought Police wrote:Kosovo functions as an independent state.

So does Transnistria. That doesn't mean it's an independent state.

Transnistria is apart of Russia.
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Postby Adamede » Tue Feb 02, 2021 5:34 pm

Insaanistan wrote:
Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:Everyone recognizes Saudi Arabia, Iran, North Korea, Turkmenistan, all countries with bad records. What makes recognizing Israel itself so different from all the others? Pretending Israel isn’t a country isn’t to anyone’s benefit


I hate all those countries, but one major difference is how they came to be. Israel was not a centuries long empire that secularists then underwent “religious” revolution. It was not half of a peninsula that was forced under Communism and then survived a war over dominance of said peninsula. It was not an ethnically distinct state that suffered under Soviet rule and then won independence in the USSR’s collapse. It’s closest to the formation of Saudi Arabia: a nation (I said nation, not country) in the Middle East, founded by the broken promise to the Arabs.

The world is founded on broken promises.

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Postby Insaanistan » Tue Feb 02, 2021 5:35 pm

Atheris wrote:What Kosovo does and doesn't recognize should hold no sway. Kosovo is part of Serbia, not an independent nation.

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Postby Echo Chamber Thought Police » Tue Feb 02, 2021 5:37 pm

Insaanistan wrote:
Atheris wrote:What Kosovo does and doesn't recognize should hold no sway. Kosovo is part of Serbia, not an independent nation.

Kosovo je Kosovo! Kosovo nije Srbija.
(Kosovo is Kosovo. Kosovo is not Serbia.)

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Postby Insaanistan » Tue Feb 02, 2021 5:41 pm

Echo Chamber Thought Police wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:Kosovo je Kosovo! Kosovo nije Srbija.
(Kosovo is Kosovo. Kosovo is not Serbia.)

Comment sections under balkan videos exist. No need to say this shit here

Touché. Those comment sections are bloody battlegrounds.
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Postby Echo Chamber Thought Police » Tue Feb 02, 2021 5:42 pm

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Insaanistan wrote:Kosovo je Kosovo! Kosovo nije Srbija.
(Kosovo is Kosovo. Kosovo is not Serbia.)

Comment sections under balkan videos exist. No need to say this shit here

Same goes for the anti-Kosovo nationalists too
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Postby Adamede » Tue Feb 02, 2021 5:42 pm

Atheris wrote:What Kosovo does and doesn't recognize should hold no sway. Kosovo is part of Serbia, not an independent nation.

And Crimea and the Donbas are Ukrainian.

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Postby Echo Chamber Thought Police » Tue Feb 02, 2021 5:45 pm

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Atheris wrote:What Kosovo does and doesn't recognize should hold no sway. Kosovo is part of Serbia, not an independent nation.

And Crimea and the Donbas are Ukrainian.

They aren't though.

Russia occupies them. They are controlled by Russia, esp. in the case of Crimea.
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Postby Atheris » Tue Feb 02, 2021 5:46 pm

Adamede wrote:
Atheris wrote:What Kosovo does and doesn't recognize should hold no sway. Kosovo is part of Serbia, not an independent nation.

And Crimea and the Donbas are Ukrainian.

Rightfully, yes.
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Postby Insaanistan » Tue Feb 02, 2021 5:47 pm

Echo Chamber Thought Police wrote:
Adamede wrote:And Crimea and the Donbas are Ukrainian.

They aren't though.

Russia occupies them. They are controlled by Russia, esp. in the case of Crimea.

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Postby Atheris » Tue Feb 02, 2021 5:47 pm

Insaanistan wrote:
Atheris wrote:What Kosovo does and doesn't recognize should hold no sway. Kosovo is part of Serbia, not an independent nation.

Kosovo je Kosovo! Kosovo nije Srbija.
(Kosovo is Kosovo. Kosovo is not Serbia.)

Косово је Србија.
(Kosovo is Serbia.)
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Postby Adamede » Tue Feb 02, 2021 5:52 pm

Echo Chamber Thought Police wrote:
Adamede wrote:And Crimea and the Donbas are Ukrainian.

They aren't though.

Russia occupies them. They are controlled by Russia, esp. in the case of Crimea.

And Kosovo functions as an independent nation and is recognized as such by around half of the world’s nations.

Atheris wrote:
Adamede wrote:And Crimea and the Donbas are Ukrainian.

Rightfully, yes.

Glad to see consistency, I can applaud that.

Insaanistan wrote:
Echo Chamber Thought Police wrote:They aren't though.

Russia occupies them. They are controlled by Russia, esp. in the case of Crimea.

Crimea is Tatar
Crimea is Ukrainian.

Crimea is rightfully Scythian.

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Postby Echo Chamber Thought Police » Tue Feb 02, 2021 5:56 pm

Adamede wrote:
Echo Chamber Thought Police wrote:They aren't though.

Russia occupies them. They are controlled by Russia, esp. in the case of Crimea.

And Kosovo functions as an independent nation and is recognized as such by around half of the world’s nations.

Yeah? I agree?

I also treat Kosovo as an independent state
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Postby Qihein » Tue Feb 02, 2021 6:12 pm

Atheris wrote:
Adamede wrote:And Crimea and the Donbas are Ukrainian.

Rightfully, yes.

If they can not back up their territorial claims then it's not theirs. Your opinion will not change that fact.
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