Rochester NY police pepper spray 9 year old girl

[San Lumen]

You can help change that by electing new district attorneys and sheriffs.

"I acknowledge voting cannot solve many problems."
"Just participate in elections!"

I did not say that and you know it.

[Sanghyeok]

"I acknowledge voting cannot solve many problems."
"Just participate in elections!"

I did not say that and you know it.

Do I need to pull out those quotes where you keep on telling us "voting matters" and "just vote?" I understand you're eager to change society in many methods and I honestly feel the same way, but you can't make matcha with Darjeeling.

[Des-Bal]

Me from earlier

Would you be happier if they didn't use any tools but more seriously injured her? I don't know how to get a struggling child into a position where I can safely control them. Neither did the adult who broke my arm trying to extricate me from a fight with another kid. I did a quick google search and a few of the techniques look quite a bit like what killed George Floyd.

I'm also going to point out that the way mental health professionals handle physically resisting subjects is a matter that had it's own controversy and I think "let the cops handle it" is an increasingly popular approach.

[Punished UMN]

If your go to response when a child disobeys you is to use extreme violence, you're probably not fit to be a cop, a parent, or really even a member of society in any meaningful way. The officer should probably be put in prison.

[Sieidi El]

But of course Biden will do nothing to reform the police:

"nothing will fundamentally change"

sarcasm /

and the focus will be on some ordinary people beating a hedge fund at its own game, because clearly if the rigged outcome is not the outcome of the game, the ordinary Redditors must have commited a crime! Let's investigate those who oppose hedge funds, instead of those who traumatise a nine year old.

/ sarcasm

[Kowani]

But of course Biden will do nothing to reform the police:

"nothing will fundamentally change"

sarcasm /

and the focus will be on some ordinary people beating a hedge fund at its own game, because clearly if the rigged outcome is not the outcome of the game, the ordinary Redditors must have commited a crime! Let's investigate those who oppose hedge funds, instead of those who traumatise a nine year old.

/ sarcasm

...this is a local police department
outside of funding pressure, Biden can't do anything

[Des-Bal]

If your go to response when a child disobeys you is to use extreme violence, you're probably not fit to be a cop, a parent, or really even a member of society in any meaningful way. The officer should probably be put in prison.

Their go to was talking.
The kid was talking about killing herself, killing her mother, and was attempting to run away. The "extreme violence" you're talking about involved no real striking, slamming, choking, biting, or any of the other things I'd associate with "extreme" violence. How would you handle it?

[Risottia]

A cop used force to make a member of the public comply. That's their job. That's what they're trained to do.

Aye.

[Risottia]

US police isn't that good, but at the moment it's the best form of law enforcement its people have. To prevent incidents like these we must make some changes such as bringing social workers to incidents involving minors.

The US could outsource police training to any other police force in the world that hasn't got such a shitty record of systematic violence, racism, and killing.

Finding one isn't exactly a difficult task.

[Punished UMN]

If your go to response when a child disobeys you is to use extreme violence, you're probably not fit to be a cop, a parent, or really even a member of society in any meaningful way. The officer should probably be put in prison.

Their go to was talking.
The kid was talking about killing herself, killing her mother, and was attempting to run away. The "extreme violence" you're talking about involved no real striking, slamming, choking, biting, or any of the other things I'd associate with "extreme" violence. How would you handle it?

Restraining them presumably. Using pain to gain compliance is not humane on a child.

[The New California Republic]

A cop used force to make a member of the public comply. That's their job. That's what they're trained to do.

Aye.

Yes. Poke it with sticks. Poke it. Poke ittttttttt.

[Des-Bal]

Restraining them presumably. Using pain to gain compliance is not humane on a child.

You would hold the child down in the snow indefinitely? Presumably without damaging their delicate joints and bones, or allowing their chest to be compressed or accidentally sufficating them as you would a victim of crucifiction. I find it interesting that's your method because many restraints are literally classified as "pain compliance" techniques.

Edit: did a quick analysis of a couple sources in how social workers and mental health professionals restrain children. What keeps coming up is that restraining children is never totally safe and that you should strongly consider just calling the police.

[Albrenia]

That the police in the US still wonder why people treat them like the enemy would be amusing if it wasn't part of the problem.

The cop who did this should lose their job, and suffer criminal assault charges for this blatant misuse of force on a handcuffed nine year old.

[San Lumen]

That the police in the US still wonder why people treat them like the enemy would be amusing if it wasn't part of the problem.

The cop who did this should lose their job, and suffer criminal assault charges for this blatant misuse of force on a handcuffed nine year old.

the union president should also be fired for defending it. Send a clear message to the department.

[Albrenia]

That the police in the US still wonder why people treat them like the enemy would be amusing if it wasn't part of the problem.

The cop who did this should lose their job, and suffer criminal assault charges for this blatant misuse of force on a handcuffed nine year old.

the union president should also be fired for defending it. Send a clear message to the department.

Maybe just handcuff him and pepper spray him.

[Punished UMN]

Restraining them presumably. Using pain to gain compliance is not humane on a child.

You would hold the child down in the snow indefinitely? Presumably without damaging their delicate joints and bones, or allowing their chest to be compressed or accidentally sufficating them as you would a victim of crucifiction. I find it interesting that's your method because many restraints are literally classified as "pain compliance" techniques.

Edit: did a quick analysis of a couple sources in how social workers and mental health professionals restrain children. What keeps coming up is that restraining children is never totally safe and that you should strongly consider just calling the police.

Such an extreme level of restraint is not necessary on a nine-year old girl.

[Des-Bal]

Such an extreme level of restraint is not necessary on a nine-year old girl.

There goes extreme again. You just said "restrain her" how would you do it?

[Albrenia]

Such an extreme level of restraint is not necessary on a nine-year old girl.

There goes extreme again. You just said "restrain her" how would you do it?

Handcuffs may be needed in some cases. Pepper spray was not.

[Punished UMN]

Such an extreme level of restraint is not necessary on a nine-year old girl.

There goes extreme again. You just said "restrain her" how would you do it?

You could literally pick them up.

[Loeje]

That's not how you treat children, no matter what the situation is. They're children.

[Punished UMN]

Des-Bal, you will also note that pepper spray does not actually help you physically restrain someone, it only uses pain to imply that further resistance will result in an escalation of application of pain and violence.

[Des-Bal]

You could literally pick them up.

How? Keep in mind you've chosen the method of restraint that broke my arm.

[Des-Bal]

Des-Bal, you will also note that pepper spray does not actually help you physically restrain someone, it only uses pain to imply that further resistance will result in an escalation of application of pain and violence.

The car was the restraint, the pepper spray was the means of keeping her within a space that could be controlled. I'm not saying it's perfect I'm saying it's not monstrousm

[Punished UMN]

Des-Bal, you will also note that pepper spray does not actually help you physically restrain someone, it only uses pain to imply that further resistance will result in an escalation of application of pain and violence.

The car was the restraint, the pepper spray was the means of keeping her within a space that could be controlled. I'm not saying it's perfect I'm saying it's not monstrousm

If she was in a car already, why couldn't they just lock the door? If anything, that makes less forceful methods of restraint far easier. Even if she was attempting to hurt herself, you could place an officer in the back of the car to hold her still.

[Albrenia]

Des-Bal, you will also note that pepper spray does not actually help you physically restrain someone, it only uses pain to imply that further resistance will result in an escalation of application of pain and violence.

The car was the restraint, the pepper spray was the means of keeping her within a space that could be controlled. I'm not saying it's perfect I'm saying it's not monstrousm

Nah, it's monstrous.