Diplomatic solution to the Kuril Islands dispute hopeless?

[Alaska Hawaii and the Aleutes]

In December 2020 Russia militarized the disputed island Iturup which ends Japan's hope for a diplomatic solution.
Or do you believe Japan shouldn't give up hope?

[Risottia]

In December 2020 Russia militarized the disputed island Iturup which ends Japan's hope for a diplomatic solution.
Or do you believe Japan shouldn't give up hope?

There are no Japanese living on Iturup. Japan whining about Iturup and the other Kurilskie is just like, dunno, Italy (actually, just some right-wing extremists) whining about Dalmatia, Argentina whining about the Falklands, or France whining about the tip of Mont Blanc.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

In December 2020 Russia militarized the disputed island Iturup which ends Japan's hope for a diplomatic solution.
Or do you believe Japan shouldn't give up hope?

There are no Japanese living on Iturup. Japan whining about Iturup and the other Kurilskie is just like, dunno, Italy (actually, just some right-wing extremists) whining about Dalmatia, Argentina whining about the Falklands, or France whining about the tip of Mont Blanc.

There are almost no Jews living in Minsk. Jews talking about the Shoah..

Does that make any sense? Ethnic cleansing does not create legitimacy in self-determination.

All of Kuril Islands should belong to Japan and will belong to Japan after WWIII.

[Baltenstein]

There are no Japanese living on Iturup. Japan whining about Iturup and the other Kurilskie is just like, dunno, Italy (actually, just some right-wing extremists) whining about Dalmatia, Argentina whining about the Falklands, or France whining about the tip of Mont Blanc.

There are almost no Jews living in Minsk. Jews talking about the Shoah..

Does that make any sense?

No, not really. The reason why there aren't any Japanese on Iturup isn't because the Japanese were genocided but because it's a sparsely populated wasteland that never had a Japanese native population to begin with and which was used as, at best, a military outpost by both Japan and Russia.

If anyone has any inherent rights on Iturup it's the native Ainu, but nobody seems to notice they even exist.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

There are almost no Jews living in Minsk. Jews talking about the Shoah..

Does that make any sense?

No, not really. The reason why there aren't any Japanese on Iturup isn't because the Japanese were genocided but because it's a sparsely populated wasteland that never had a Japanese native population to begin with and which was used as, at best, a military outpost by both Japan and Russia.

If anyone has any inherent rights on Iturup it's the native Ainu, but nobody seems to notice they even exist.

Since Ainus are almost all Japanese citizens and are genetically and culturally a lot closer to Japanese than to Russians it is obvious which country the islands should belong to. The next step is to make reality and morality align.

[Risottia]

There are no Japanese living on Iturup. Japan whining about Iturup and the other Kurilskie is just like, dunno, Italy (actually, just some right-wing extremists) whining about Dalmatia, Argentina whining about the Falklands, or France whining about the tip of Mont Blanc.

There are almost no Jews living in Minsk. Jews talking about the Shoah..

So according to you Israel is whining because they want Minsk to be given to them?

Does that make any sense? Ethnic cleansing does not create legitimacy in self-determination.

No, your example does not make any sense and it is completely unrelated, as Belarus did NOT deport the Jews to acquire Minsk.
By the way, losing territory happens when you start a war and lose it.

All of Kuril Islands should belong to Japan and will belong to Japan after WWIII.

[Alaska Hawaii and the Aleutes]

In December 2020 Russia militarized the disputed island Iturup which ends Japan's hope for a diplomatic solution.
Or do you believe Japan shouldn't give up hope?

There are no Japanese living on Iturup. Japan whining about Iturup and the other Kurilskie is just like, dunno, Italy (actually, just some right-wing extremists) whining about Dalmatia, Argentina whining about the Falklands, or France whining about the tip of Mont Blanc.

Well, no...
There is an ancient treaty which states that all Ains (who live on Hokkaido and the Kurils) are japanese

[Alaska Hawaii and the Aleutes]

There are no Japanese living on Iturup. Japan whining about Iturup and the other Kurilskie is just like, dunno, Italy (actually, just some right-wing extremists) whining about Dalmatia, Argentina whining about the Falklands, or France whining about the tip of Mont Blanc.

There are almost no Jews living in Minsk. Jews talking about the Shoah..

Does that make any sense? Ethnic cleansing does not create legitimacy in self-determination.

All of Kuril Islands should belong to Japan and will belong to Japan after WWIII.

Why though? The Ains in Russia seem quite fine with being Russian citizens.

[Alaska Hawaii and the Aleutes]

No, not really. The reason why there aren't any Japanese on Iturup isn't because the Japanese were genocided but because it's a sparsely populated wasteland that never had a Japanese native population to begin with and which was used as, at best, a military outpost by both Japan and Russia.

If anyone has any inherent rights on Iturup it's the native Ainu, but nobody seems to notice they even exist.

Since Ainus are almost all Japanese citizens and are genetically and culturally a lot closer to Japanese than to Russians it is obvious which country the islands should belong to. The next step is to make reality and morality align.

The Ossetians are closer to Georgians, the Yakut closer to Kazakhs, the Komi and Karelians closer to the Finnish. Are they less Russian than anyone else? I don't think so.

[Risottia]

The Ains in Russia seem quite fine with being Russian citizens.

All will be one with Russia.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

There are almost no Jews living in Minsk. Jews talking about the Shoah..

Does that make any sense? Ethnic cleansing does not create legitimacy in self-determination.

All of Kuril Islands should belong to Japan and will belong to Japan after WWIII.

Why though? The Ains in Russia seem quite fine with being Russian citizens.

You mean about 1,000 of them? There are way more Ainus in Japan than in Russia.

[Risottia]

Why though? The Ains in Russia seem quite fine with being Russian citizens.

You mean about 1,000 of them? There are way more Ainus in Japan than in Russia.

There are way more ethnic Dalmatians in Italy than in Croatia.
Still Dalmatia stays Croatian.

[Feyrisshire]

Obviously the solution is Russia making anime and hentai to easily convince Japan overnight to simply hand over the southern islands.

[Sanghyeok]

The Kuril Islands issue can only be resolved by moving away from factors which encouraged both nations to claim the area as their own, namely geopolitical posturing and natural resource extraction. I propose a modest solution consisting of two steps, 1) removing the natural resource incentive by destroying deposits with mecha and 2) uniting Japan and Russian into a socialist monarchy with katyusha characteristics.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Japan needs to stop demanding the return of islands that never really belonged to them in the first place.

The Ossetians are closer to Georgians,

Uh, no?

Georgians are a Caucasian people; Ossetians are an Eastern Irannic people.

The ancestors of the Ossetians were the Alans, a nomadic Irannic people descended from the Scytho-Sarmatians who dominated the Eurasian Steppes prior to the rise of the Huns and later the various Turkic peoples. They have no relation to Georgians. Not genetically, not culturally, not linguistically, etc.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

The Kuril Islands issue can only be resolved by moving away from factors which encouraged both nations to claim the area as their own, namely geopolitical posturing and natural resource extraction. I propose a modest solution consisting of two steps, 1) removing the natural resource incentive by destroying deposits with mecha and 2) uniting Japan and Russian into a socialist monarchy with katyusha characteristics.

Thanks I hate it.

[Scherzinger]

The Kuril Islands issue can only be resolved by moving away from factors which encouraged both nations to claim the area as their own, namely geopolitical posturing and natural resource extraction. I propose a modest solution consisting of two steps, 1) removing the natural resource incentive by destroying deposits with mecha and 2) uniting Japan and Russian into a socialist monarchy with katyusha characteristics.

jesus christ you are an evil person.

honestly i feel the problem could be solved by splitting Sakhalin again and handing over the other kurils and just breaking even on it. Im amazed Germany or Poland hasnt staked a claim on Kaliningrad actually

[Sanghyeok]

The Kuril Islands issue can only be resolved by moving away from factors which encouraged both nations to claim the area as their own, namely geopolitical posturing and natural resource extraction. I propose a modest solution consisting of two steps, 1) removing the natural resource incentive by destroying deposits with mecha and 2) uniting Japan and Russian into a socialist monarchy with katyusha characteristics.

Thanks I hate it.

On a scale of "all leaders should be feline" to "Balkanise the United States so Trump can be leader of one half", how much do you hate my idea?

[Kowani]

Thanks I hate it.

On a scale of "all leaders should be feline" to "Balkanise the United States so Trump can be leader of one half", how much do you hate my idea?

I think we’d need to take in all the minorities as refugees from Trumpland

[SD_Film Artists]

What's is Russia's claim on the islands?

Also poor OP is poor.

The Kuril Islands issue can only be resolved by moving away from factors which encouraged both nations to claim the area as their own, namely geopolitical posturing and natural resource extraction. I propose a modest solution consisting of two steps, 1) removing the natural resource incentive by destroying deposits with mecha and 2) uniting Japan and Russian into a socialist monarchy with katyusha characteristics.

You called?

[Baltenstein]

The Kuril Islands issue can only be resolved by moving away from factors which encouraged both nations to claim the area as their own, namely geopolitical posturing and natural resource extraction. I propose a modest solution consisting of two steps, 1) removing the natural resource incentive by destroying deposits with mecha and 2) uniting Japan and Russian into a socialist monarchy with katyusha characteristics.

jesus christ you are an evil person.

honestly i feel the problem could be solved by splitting Sakhalin again and handing over the other kurils and just breaking even on it. Im amazed Germany or Poland hasnt staked a claim on Kaliningrad actually

Thankfully most European countries have grown past the idea that shaking outdated maps at each other is a good foundation for international relations.

[Baltenstein]

No, not really. The reason why there aren't any Japanese on Iturup isn't because the Japanese were genocided but because it's a sparsely populated wasteland that never had a Japanese native population to begin with and which was used as, at best, a military outpost by both Japan and Russia.

If anyone has any inherent rights on Iturup it's the native Ainu, but nobody seems to notice they even exist.

Since Ainus are almost all Japanese citizens and are genetically and culturally a lot closer to Japanese than to Russians it is obvious which country the islands should belong to. The next step is to make reality and morality align.

Have you asked an actual Ainu person about their opinion on being "genetically and culturally closer" to Japan

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[Sanghyeok]

Since Ainus are almost all Japanese citizens and are genetically and culturally a lot closer to Japanese than to Russians it is obvious which country the islands should belong to. The next step is to make reality and morality align.

Have you asked an actual Ainu person about their opinion on being "genetically and culturally closer" to Japan

relevant

They've tried to argue Japan's colonisation of Korea and Manchuria was a net benefit, that Japan's police is nearly perfect, and that a war between China and North Korea would be good for getting rid of racial identity politics. I doubt they care about actual facts or are familiar with Japan at all.

[Salandriagado]

Why though? The Ains in Russia seem quite fine with being Russian citizens.

You mean about 1,000 of them? There are way more Ainus in Japan than in Russia.

And? There's more Irish people living in the US than Ireland, but that doesn't mean the US gets Cork.

[Atheris]

Better (worse) idea: Independent Kuril Republic.