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Postby Valentine Z » Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:42 am

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Valentine Z wrote:~26 deaths today. Multiple arrests, medical equipment being stolen, doctors being forced off of hospitals, and of course, shots fired in the streets and towards protestors.

It's no longer safe to simply protest, and the military divisions involved in this are several degrees of fucked up with awful history behind them.

I think the way forward against this barbarism is with strikes, sit-ins, and civil disobedience to make the country totally ungovernable and economically paralysed.

Oh yeah, strikes and CDM are definitely going on. CDM - Civil Disobedience Movement.

There's also this thing called... The Milk Tea Alliance? Yeah, that was a bit new to me too, just about different countries being united and all.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:26 am

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Valentine Z wrote:~26 deaths today. Multiple arrests, medical equipment being stolen, doctors being forced off of hospitals, and of course, shots fired in the streets and towards protestors.

It's no longer safe to simply protest, and the military divisions involved in this are several degrees of fucked up with awful history behind them.

I think the way forward against this barbarism is with strikes, sit-ins, and civil disobedience to make the country totally ungovernable and economically paralysed.

With how today went, they’ll need to step up the pressure
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:28 am

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Valentine Z wrote:~26 deaths today. Multiple arrests, medical equipment being stolen, doctors being forced off of hospitals, and of course, shots fired in the streets and towards protestors.

It's no longer safe to simply protest, and the military divisions involved in this are several degrees of fucked up with awful history behind them.

I think the way forward against this barbarism is with strikes, sit-ins, and civil disobedience to make the country totally ungovernable and economically paralysed.


The way forward is guerilla war. The military asked for it when they shot peaceful protesters, so don't be surprised when people put down picket signs and pick up M-16s and P90s.
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Postby Heloin » Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:33 am

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The New California Republic wrote:I think the way forward against this barbarism is with strikes, sit-ins, and civil disobedience to make the country totally ungovernable and economically paralysed.


The way forward is guerilla war. The military asked for it when they shot peaceful protesters, so don't be surprised when people put down picket signs and pick up M-16s and P90s.

War does not nesacarilly solve problems when peace still can happen, even if peace seems more distant every day.

Also being pedantic there's already several guerrilla campaigns in Burma. The internal conflict has been going on for decades.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:34 am

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The way forward is guerilla war. The military asked for it when they shot peaceful protesters, so don't be surprised when people put down picket signs and pick up M-16s and P90s.

War does not nesacarilly solve problems when peace still can happen, even if peace seems more distant every day.

Also being pedantic there's already several guerrilla campaigns in Burma. The internal conflict has been going on for decades.


I dont see how peaceful protest solves this issue. People peacefully demanded a return to democracy and the government responded by shooting them.
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Postby Heloin » Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:34 am

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Heloin wrote:War does not nesacarilly solve problems when peace still can happen, even if peace seems more distant every day.

Also being pedantic there's already several guerrilla campaigns in Burma. The internal conflict has been going on for decades.


I dont see how peaceful protest solves this issue. People peacefully demanded a return to democracy and the government responded by shooting them.

Because that's not what I said. Running of to the jungle to wage a war against the Junta isn't a bad option per say but it is an option that will see Burma fall much further then it is now in all likelihood, it's an option that should be pushed for when all others are exhausted.
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Postby Diahon » Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:36 am

Heloin wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
The way forward is guerilla war. The military asked for it when they shot peaceful protesters, so don't be surprised when people put down picket signs and pick up M-16s and P90s.

War does not nesacarilly solve problems when peace still can happen, even if peace seems more distant every day.

Also being pedantic there's already several guerrilla campaigns in Burma. The internal conflict has been going on for decades.


the burmese military has evidently decided that the only peace it wants is total war

sure, it may exhaust myanmar's resources
sure, it may end up getting them killed off
sure, it may kill off tens and hundreds of thousands
sure, it may end up tearing the union apart

but won't being at the business end of the bloodshed now, with the tantalizing prospect of a peace gesticulating above the graves of millions, be worth the risk of losing it all?

i mean, assad gambled -- and look where he is
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Postby Diahon » Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:43 am

Valentine Z wrote:~26 deaths today. Multiple arrests, medical equipment being stolen, doctors being forced off of hospitals, and of course, shots fired in the streets and towards protestors.

It's no longer safe to simply protest, and the military divisions involved in this are several degrees of fucked up with awful history behind them.


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Postby Valentine Z » Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:06 am

And now news about nearly getting shot - because if you protest at them and shouted colorful Burmese from the "comfort" of your apartment, chances are good that you might get a bullet back.
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Postby Insaanistan » Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:57 am

“I hope all of Myanmar burns.”
My dad said that this morning, ranting about Myanmar. No, he doesn’t hate Burmese people: he hates Aung San Suu Kyi. And with that, while he hates the military regime, he sees it as punishment for Suu Kyi supporters and the entire country for being silent as the Rohingya were genocided.
“Where were their protests when the Rohingya were getting burned and raped?!”
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Postby Valentine Z » Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:12 am

Insaanistan wrote:“I hope all of Myanmar burns.”
My dad said that this morning, ranting about Myanmar. No, he doesn’t hate Burmese people: he hates Aung San Suu Kyi. And with that, while he hates the military regime, he sees it as punishment for Suu Kyi supporters and the entire country for being silent as the Rohingya were genocided.
“Where were their protests when the Rohingya were getting burned and raped?!”
Additionally, being born in the last century, he’s more engrained in the idea of a united Ummah (Muslim Community), and as a Northern Ghanaian/Northern Nigerian, he was raised with the idea “If one in the [local, tribal and/or religious] community is attacked, all of us are. Hate all those associated with the attacker and their descendants.”

Which, unfortunately... is true. Where were the protesters when the Rohingya were being murdered?

There were questions and answers that go deeper than that, but ultimately, I see absolutely no justification in murdering or being genocidal on a group. Easier said than done, for once I would like to see a democratic movement that offers equality to all, and that includes ethnic groups and refugees.

Unfortunately, as optimistic as I am, the non-violent route to recovery was an absolute failure.
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Postby Adamede » Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:45 am

Heloin wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
The way forward is guerilla war. The military asked for it when they shot peaceful protesters, so don't be surprised when people put down picket signs and pick up M-16s and P90s.

War does not nesacarilly solve problems when peace still can happen, even if peace seems more distant every day.

Also being pedantic there's already several guerrilla campaigns in Burma. The internal conflict has been going on for decades.

Pretty sure peace is long gone as an option when the government starts killing the opposition.
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Postby Heloin » Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:47 am

Adamede wrote:
Heloin wrote:War does not nesacarilly solve problems when peace still can happen, even if peace seems more distant every day.

Also being pedantic there's already several guerrilla campaigns in Burma. The internal conflict has been going on for decades.

Pretty sure peace is long gone as an option when the government starts killing the opposition.

Heloin wrote:Because that's not what I said. Running of to the jungle to wage a war against the Junta isn't a bad option per say but it is an option that will see Burma fall much further then it is now in all likelihood, it's an option that should be pushed for when all others are exhausted.
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Postby Adamede » Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:48 am

Heloin wrote:
Adamede wrote:Pretty sure peace is long gone as an option when the government starts killing the opposition.

Heloin wrote:Because that's not what I said. Running of to the jungle to wage a war against the Junta isn't a bad option per say but it is an option that will see Burma fall much further then it is now in all likelihood, it's an option that should be pushed for when all others are exhausted.

And when the government starts shooting the opposition, the only choices are lie down or fight back. And when guns come out that fighting back involves shooting.
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Postby Heloin » Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:56 am

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And when the government starts shooting the opposition, the only choices are lie down or fight back. And when guns come out that fighting back involves shooting.

I appreciate for some reason the only options you see are Kumbaya peace marches and Syria.
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Postby Senkaku » Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:20 am

Adamede wrote:
Heloin wrote:

And when the government starts shooting the opposition, the only choices are lie down or fight back. And when guns come out that fighting back involves shooting.

The Burmese military has been fighting like three different guerrilla wars since independence lol I'm pretty sure another one isn't going to be that much skin off their back
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Postby Dangine » Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:26 am

I've seen so many people bring up the Rohingya genocide to take away from the oppression that the Myanmar people are facing and/or saying they deserve it.
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Valentine Z wrote:~26 deaths today. Multiple arrests, medical equipment being stolen, doctors being forced off of hospitals, and of course, shots fired in the streets and towards protestors.

It's no longer safe to simply protest, and the military divisions involved in this are several degrees of fucked up with awful history behind them.

I think the way forward against this barbarism is with strikes, sit-ins, and civil disobedience to make the country totally ungovernable and economically paralysed.

I don’t think the military cares
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:38 am

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The way forward is guerilla war. The military asked for it when they shot peaceful protesters, so don't be surprised when people put down picket signs and pick up M-16s and P90s.

War does not nesacarilly solve problems when peace still can happen, even if peace seems more distant every day.

Also being pedantic there's already several guerrilla campaigns in Burma. The internal conflict has been going on for decades.

Peace isn’t going to happen when the military is literally committing mass murder.
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:41 am

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The New California Republic wrote:I think the way forward against this barbarism is with strikes, sit-ins, and civil disobedience to make the country totally ungovernable and economically paralysed.

I don’t think the military cares

They will when the economy goes belly up and they can't pay the soldiers any more.
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Postby Heloin » Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:44 am

Thermodolia wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:I think the way forward against this barbarism is with strikes, sit-ins, and civil disobedience to make the country totally ungovernable and economically paralysed.

I don’t think the military cares

I think soldiers will care once their food and pay stops showing up.
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Postby Heloin » Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:45 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Heloin wrote:War does not nesacarilly solve problems when peace still can happen, even if peace seems more distant every day.

Also being pedantic there's already several guerrilla campaigns in Burma. The internal conflict has been going on for decades.

Peace isn’t going to happen when the military is literally committing mass murder.

Peace is always the end goal, even in war, even if you think I said people should lie down to die.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:49 am

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Thermodolia wrote:I don’t think the military cares

They will when the economy goes belly up and they can't pay the soldiers any more.

The problem is that they’ll just get propped up by China/take on massive amounts of debt to keep it going. Unfortunately war at this point is the only way forward as the military is not going to listen to peaceful means
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Postby Heloin » Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:51 am

Thermodolia wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:They will when the economy goes belly up and they can't pay the soldiers any more.

The problem is that they’ll just get propped up by China/take on massive amounts of debt to keep it going. Unfortunately war at this point is the only way forward as the military is not going to listen to peaceful means

There's a wide difference between peaceful protest and a general strike meant to grind the country to a complete halt.
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Postby Arisyan » Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:52 am

Honestly, I really don't like either sides of the movement. On the one hand, you obviously have an oppressive military government that I absolutely hate, and then on the other hand, there is the NLD which I also dislike, and Suu Kyi, someone I really, really dislike. She did commit genocide after all, and is honestly not as democratic as people are hoping for. However, I slightly side with the NLD because under them, there is actually room for criticism of their policies and free speech.

Also, guerilla war is definitely not the answer because a war would quite frankly open up the divide in the country, and a massive, massive civil war would break out between multiple factions. Oh, and let's not forget that Myanmar has a beautiful rainforest that would get destroyed in this war. Honestly, there isn't a really good way out of this. I guess we just need to hope that it eventually blows over.
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