San Francisco may rename school named for Washington

[SD_Film Artists]

Honest about what? It's not that I disagree (though I probably do too), it's that you don't really give a position to talk on. For the past few months you've largely just twisted people's words, jumped to conlusions and generally failed to stick to the questions at hand; I would have given up responding to you but I try to have some faith in that you're a veteran member. In the landlord and police threads you either stuck to borderline strawmen or just lead with 'but we could give people free stuff'; which while still a valid position to have, it is basically just turning the thread into a 'but what if socialism' thread rather than actually discussing what landlords/policeman could do differently inside this current society.

I'll repeat that if I'm not making the arguments that you want me to make then you can just stop involving me.

And I'll repeat that you don't have any arguments to make.

But those are different threads; as for this thread, when people remove statues based on one political objection, how is not not as I described? Remember that they themselves have been saying that, not just me projecting it onto them.

Who are these people saying that historical figures should have had the foresight to abide by modern values? I can't recall anyone ever saying anything of the sort in this thread or any like it.

You know exactly who they are. What else would they be objecting on? That the statue should have been brass rather than stone? That the colours aren't nice? Again please stick to the topic.

Yes, I know that it's not the one thing that you believe it is because it is different things.

What else would they be objecting on? That the statue should have been brass rather than stone? That the colours aren't nice? Again please stick to the topic.

No one is talking about a hive mind of the left, but you are talking the modus operadi of "these people".

Yes and you can start to address that any time you want. I've already self-quoted it multiple times.

[An-Tanwir]

It seems that it is necessary to name things after numbers, cats, dogs, chemical elements, software and other politically and socially neutral entities.

8th Oxygen High School
16th Sulfur High School
34th Selenium Middle School

That will permanently fix these problems.

You jest but that actually kinda slaps.

[Fahran]

i mean
having read a local account of it, the "process" they went through was just
an absolute disaster

Well, this is a monumental oof.

[Fahran]

Thats a weird name for a city in my view.

Not if they elect Guy Fieri mayor.

[Fahran]

Hopefully I'll get to the rest later.

Fair enough. Honestly, long posts tire me out. So I understand taking your time.

You say Progressives lose, by calling for things that are not yet popular. But the alternative is keeping quiet and waiting until those things become popular ... which would not be leadership at all. Progressives should not be passive populists, though I can see why you'd like that.

I'm not certain you're thinking of long-term goals when you engage in virtue-signalling because the motivation simply isn't there. Beyond that, there are more effective ways of getting these ideas and value systems into the discourse if, for whatever reason, you deem them essential to your long-term objectives.

Populism does have its place: a little honey helps the medicine go down

When FOX News was calling Obama an elitist, it made me like him more - especially after his speech on cultivating cultures of excellence.

[Kowani]

i mean
having read a local account of it, the "process" they went through was just
an absolute disaster

Well, this is a monumental oof.

I don’t particularly care what the school is called
But the sheer failure of anyone involved in this to do any sort of fact checking or basic research whatsoever is…aggravating
There are legitimate reasons to have a conversation about naming and the sheer veneration that Americans give the founding fathers, but doing it based on actual facts would be a good starting point

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

It seems that it is necessary to name things after numbers, cats, dogs, chemical elements, software and other politically and socially neutral entities.

8th Oxygen High School
16th Sulfur High School
34th Selenium Middle School

That will permanently fix these problems.

You jest but that actually kinda slaps.

He's not joking, that's the scary part.

[Miku the Based]

> SRA member
> policy: capitalism
> supports woke performative acts, marrage equality, polygamy, and parental licensing
さすが ｓｒａ

[The Black Forrest]

Of FFS. San Francisco needs to do a purge on it’s education people.

Now it appears acronyms are a symbol of white supremacy.

https://abc7news.com/sfusd-renaming-sch ... /10229093/

Schools are still closed and there are issues over video schooling and yet renames will improve everything.

[Fahran]

Of FFS. San Francisco needs to do a purge on it’s education people.

Now it appears acronyms are a symbol of white supremacy.

https://abc7news.com/sfusd-renaming-sch ... /10229093/

Schools are still closed and there are issues over video schooling and yet renames will improve everything.

Welp...

[-Ocelot-]

So Americans are trying to kill the idea of their own founding fathers? Why? Who's promoting this and why do Americans buy it up?

What is next, removing English for being too colonial?

[Fahran]

So Americans are trying to kill the idea of their own founding fathers? Why? Who's promoting this and why do Americans buy it up?

What is next, removing English for being too colonial?

Yes.

Because some of them owned slaves or engaged in wars of expansion against indigenous populations, perpetuating oppressive socioeconomic hierarchies in the process.

Progressives. Americans, on the whole, don't. A small portion of Americans, however, do "buy it up."

Please don't give them ideas. I can speak Spanish fine, but I don't want to hear white people trying to say "gracias" every time I do something nice for someone.

[Kowani]

Of FFS. San Francisco needs to do a purge on it’s education people.

Now it appears acronyms are a symbol of white supremacy.

https://abc7news.com/sfusd-renaming-sch ... /10229093/

Schools are still closed and there are issues over video schooling and yet renames will improve everything.

i mean
they do need less acronyms

But the San Francisco Unified School District uses so many acronyms on a daily basis that if you go to their website there's a section on how to find what their acronyms or abbreviations mean.

[San Lumen]

So Americans are trying to kill the idea of their own founding fathers? Why? Who's promoting this and why do Americans buy it up?

What is next, removing English for being too colonial?

I assure you its not everywhere. San Francisco is very far to the left.

[Fahran]

i mean
they do need less acronyms

But the San Francisco Unified School District uses so many acronyms on a daily basis that if you go to their website there's a section on how to find what their acronyms or abbreviations mean.

I feel like "it's inefficient and opaque" would have been a lot more sensible as a justification than "it's white supremacy."

[Kowani]

So Americans are trying to kill the idea of their own founding fathers? Why? Who's promoting this and why do Americans buy it up?

What is next, removing English for being too colonial?

I assure you its not everywhere. San Francisco is very far to the left.

SF isn't nearly as far to the left as you think it is
with the exception of public transit, it's economically centre-left at best
it's just socially left-wing, because we live in neoliberal hell

i mean
they do need less acronyms

But the San Francisco Unified School District uses so many acronyms on a daily basis that if you go to their website there's a section on how to find what their acronyms or abbreviations mean.

I feel like "it's inefficient and opaque" would have been a lot more sensible as a justification than "it's white supremacy."

it would have been, yes
but this is the age of impulsivity, so here we are

[Stellar Colonies]

Of FFS. San Francisco needs to do a purge on it’s education people.

Now it appears acronyms are a symbol of white supremacy.

https://abc7news.com/sfusd-renaming-sch ... /10229093/

Schools are still closed and there are issues over video schooling and yet renames will improve everything.

..?!

I was going to say something about how we disavow SF as being part of Northern California, but I got reasonably angry when I realized this abomination of a "NorCal" map exists...

So Americans are trying to kill the idea of their own founding fathers? Why? Who's promoting this and why do Americans buy it up?

What is next, removing English for being too colonial?

I assure you its not everywhere. San Francisco is very far to the left.

SF is hardly economically leftwing.

Socially, maybe.

[Kowani]

Of FFS. San Francisco needs to do a purge on it’s education people.

Now it appears acronyms are a symbol of white supremacy.

https://abc7news.com/sfusd-renaming-sch ... /10229093/

Schools are still closed and there are issues over video schooling and yet renames will improve everything.

I was going to say something about how we disavow SF as being part of Northern California, but I got reasonably angry when I realized this abomination of a "NorCal" map exists...

Oh, yeah
NorCal/SoCal are cultural distinctions more so than geographic ones

[-Ocelot-]

So Americans are trying to kill the idea of their own founding fathers? Why? Who's promoting this and why do Americans buy it up?

What is next, removing English for being too colonial?

I assure you its not everywhere. San Francisco is very far to the left.

Happy to hear that. I'm a socially liberal European and against most conservative positions but watching (some) Americans tear down their own national identity so dogmatically is sick. No nation has a spotless history, it doesn't mean you should level everything to the ground as a self-punishment.

[The Two Jerseys]

Of FFS. San Francisco needs to do a purge on it’s education people.

Now it appears acronyms are a symbol of white supremacy.

https://abc7news.com/sfusd-renaming-sch ... /10229093/

Schools are still closed and there are issues over video schooling and yet renames will improve everything.

Yes, the NAACP, UNIA, and UNCF are all notorious white supremacist groups...

[Qhevak]

I assure you its not everywhere. San Francisco is very far to the left.

San Fransisco's single largest problem right now is neighborhood associations blocking new housing development to preserve neighborhood character. A lot of those people might be superficially left wing but in practice they're extreme traditionalist conservatives.

[Adamede]

So Americans are trying to kill the idea of their own founding fathers? Why? Who's promoting this and why do Americans buy it up?

What is next, removing English for being too colonial?

Yes.

Because some of them owned slaves or engaged in wars of expansion against indigenous populations, perpetuating oppressive socioeconomic hierarchies in the process.

Progressives. Americans, on the whole, don't. A small portion of Americans, however, do "buy it up."

Please don't give them ideas. I can speak Spanish fine, but I don't want to hear white people trying to say "gracias" every time I do something nice for someone.

I mean a common complaint m from that crowd is how Spanish is a sexist language because it has gendered nouns so I think we’re safe from that lol

[Kowani]

Yes.

Because some of them owned slaves or engaged in wars of expansion against indigenous populations, perpetuating oppressive socioeconomic hierarchies in the process.

Progressives. Americans, on the whole, don't. A small portion of Americans, however, do "buy it up."

Please don't give them ideas. I can speak Spanish fine, but I don't want to hear white people trying to say "gracias" every time I do something nice for someone.

I mean a common complaint m from that crowd is how Spanish is a sexist language because it has gendered nouns so I think we’re safe from that lol

...this is a debate in Spain too
it's not some "woke progressives being ironically culturally imperialist" thing

[National Capitalist United States]

Yes.

Because some of them owned slaves or engaged in wars of expansion against indigenous populations, perpetuating oppressive socioeconomic hierarchies in the process.

Progressives. Americans, on the whole, don't. A small portion of Americans, however, do "buy it up."

Please don't give them ideas. I can speak Spanish fine, but I don't want to hear white people trying to say "gracias" every time I do something nice for someone.

I mean a common complaint m from that crowd is how Spanish is a sexist language because it has gendered nouns so I think we’re safe from that lol

The gringo's wokeness is making people vote for right-wing populists with an I.Q. of 65, resulting in our countries getting worse, but it's fine since atleast you didn't misgender someone on Twitter

[Adamede]

I mean a common complaint m from that crowd is how Spanish is a sexist language because it has gendered nouns so I think we’re safe from that lol

...this is a debate in Spain too
it's not some "woke progressives being ironically culturally imperialist" thing

Well I’m not taking about a Spanish speaking or Hispanic demographic. I don’t give a shot what Spain does, but am somewhat more concerned with what the more “eccentric” of my countrymen do.