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Postby Narland » Mon Feb 01, 2021 2:54 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://www.npr.org/2021/01/28/961511395/san-francisco-may-rename-schools-named-after-washington-lincoln-and-others

San Francisco is pushing ahead with a plan to rename dozens of public schools, committing to potentially remove names of public figures such as George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson and U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein. The board voted 6-1.

Mayor London Breed said she doesn;t think its conversation that should be had right now and thinks it ought to involve the public before a final decisions is made.

The school board passed a resolution in May 2018 to change names if the person "engaged in the subjugation and enslavement of human beings; or who oppressed women, inhibiting societal progress; or whose actions led to genocide; or who otherwise significantly diminished the opportunities of those amongst us to the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

Among schools the panel recommended be renamed are those named for former President Herbert Hoover, naturalist John Muir, Revolutionary War figure Paul Revere and author Robert Louis Stevenson. Former President James Monroe is also on the list, who is known to have held enslaved people, as did Washington and Jefferson.

I think its an incredibly stupid idea and these people shouldn't be on a school board. If you want to rename something named for Jefferson Davis that's one thing but to change name of something named for Washington, Lincoln and Jefferson who while flawed contributed greatly to the nation is absurd.

You might as well adopt a policy of anything named for anyone from before at least the 1930s has to be changed. We should rename Washington DC and the other state capitals named for Presidents while we are at it. They should have a public forum and they will see how unpopular this plan almost certainly would be.

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If the school is a state school and not a true public school (actual public schools are nearly extinct in the US as almost all were transformed in the 20th Century to State Schools while retaining the Public misnomer)), then it needs to be renamed State School (County/Municipal Designation) - (school serial number), for example in California, "State School LA-12345 High School." Team names need to be renamed to the school name only, e.gl. State School 123 Basket Ball Team. Mascots are informal and determined by the team at the time. Problem solved.

For Independent school districts where the parents of the county or municipality actually directly control the hiring and firing of school administration (like a true public school does), and still have them on a short leash, then it is up to the parents and students, never the administrators unless directly given permission by them -- administrators merely administrate the will of the community, not dictate. Charter schools are the closest thing in the US to what public schools used to be when they really were public schools, same social norms as aforementioned. Problem solved.

The school naming issue is systematic of the deeper problem of School administrations that are more interested in schooling as social engineering. They use politically correct virtue signalling; conformation to sociological norms; and play acting actual education in lieu of actual education. Academicians have a responsibility to use schools as a vehicle to formally educate and inculcate the student to maturity and self-motivation, fully prepared to be a free people in a free society who can read, write, and think independently to the best of their ability when matriculated in general and when in major to the best of their ability in said major. The solution is simple, albeit difficult -- get rid of School Administrators that do no directly teach or directly facilitate a teacher to teach.

Corollaries to above afterwards would be to re-brand so-called public schools to the state schools they are/ have become. Re-institute traditional public schools (before the Dewey transformation) that are responsible to the parents and students directly to compete with state schools. An additional help would be to have all educational monies be directed by the parents of each child directly to the school and administrators of their choice as an independent school, especially to immediately fire teachers and administrators who are inept, incompetent, corrupt, or outright evil. We have too many good teachers and principals who are shackled by over-educated idiots who think they are educators. This would help set the teachers free to teach unobstructed by politics.
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Postby Cordel One » Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:17 pm

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Removing the faces from Mount Rushmore and respected the land as sacred land of the Lakota Sioux is based AF.


I think the Crazy Horse monument is more offensive and I don't see the point of carving up the mountain for it. Mount Rushmore is already done.

Mount Rushmore can and should be undone.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:18 pm

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I think the Crazy Horse monument is more offensive and I don't see the point of carving up the mountain for it. Mount Rushmore is already done.

Mount Rushmore can and should be undone.


No it should not and such a thing would be extremely unpopular.

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Postby Cordel One » Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:20 pm

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Cordel One wrote:Mount Rushmore can and should be undone.


No it should not and such a thing would be extremely unpopular.

Symbols of white supremacy should always be demolished, and the land should be given back to the natives.
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Postby Western Fardelshufflestein » Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:20 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Cordel One wrote:Mount Rushmore can and should be undone.


No it should not and such a thing would be extremely unpopular.

Agreed with Lumen. Though I do not want to discredit the Native Americans, either.
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Postby Insaanistan » Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:20 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Cordel One wrote:Mount Rushmore can and should be undone.


No it should not and such a thing would be extremely unpopular.

Not among the colonized.
Of course, don’t demolish it. But erect a Crazy Horse monument nearby at least.
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Postby Insaanistan » Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:20 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Cordel One wrote:Mount Rushmore can and should be undone.


No it should not and such a thing would be extremely unpopular.

Not among the colonized.
Of course, don’t demolish it. But erect a Crazy Horse monument nearby at least.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:22 pm

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No it should not and such a thing would be extremely unpopular.

Symbols of white supremacy should always be demolished, and the land should be given back to the natives.


Not going to happen. How is Mount Rushmore a symbol of white supremacy?

Still waiting on your alternative names for Washington DC, Jefferson City and Jackson

Insaanistan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
No it should not and such a thing would be extremely unpopular.

Not among the colonized.
Of course, don’t demolish it. But erect a Crazy Horse monument nearby at least.


The Sioux are opposed to the monument.
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Postby Western Fardelshufflestein » Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:23 pm

I like Isaanistan's idea. Preserve history, and acknowledge all sides of it rather than ignore/tearing one side down (and, no, I'm not referring to Confederate statues. Those should be in museums, if anything--because they were the losers. They lost.)
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Postby Western Fardelshufflestein » Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:25 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Cordel One wrote:Symbols of white supremacy should always be demolished, and the land should be given back to the natives.


Not going to happen. How is Mount Rushmore a symbol of white supremacy?

The Sioux are opposed to the monument.

1. Because they're WHITE MEN! (Dramatic gasp)
2. I do understand that, and don't want to discredit the Sioux. I'd love for racial rifts in America to heal, but that can't be done if we keep putting each other down.
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Postby Cordel One » Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:28 pm

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Cordel One wrote:Symbols of white supremacy should always be demolished, and the land should be given back to the natives.


Not going to happen. How is Mount Rushmore a symbol of white supremacy?

Yeah, I wonder what makes whole bunch of genocidal racists carved into the side of a mountain that's significant to the people they oppressed a symbol of white supremacy. A real mystery, where I'm coning from.

Still waiting on your alternative names for Washington DC, Jefferson City and Jackson

And you can keep waiting for that irrelevant info all you want.

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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:28 pm

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San Lumen wrote:
No it should not and such a thing would be extremely unpopular.

Symbols of white supremacy should always be demolished, and the land should be given back to the natives.


Do the Sioux live there now?

Because at this point, "Native Americans" aren't the only people who are born and raised on this continent, therefore being de-facto native.
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Postby Albrenia » Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:29 pm

My opinion on defacing Mt. Rushmore is pretty much the same as it is to changing this school's name, only more serious.

Mount Rushmore is a beautiful landmark, and a monument to important historical figures and should remain. The hilarious meltdown from the goons who believe in shit like the Great Replacement is not worth trashing such a valuable piece of history.

Not to mention should we ever manage to drive ourselves extinct, it will long outlast pretty much all other signs of human habitation.

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Postby Cordel One » Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:30 pm

Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:1. Because they're WHITE MEN! (Dramatic gasp)

Hmm, what happened to the native population again? Whatever, doesnt matter. I clearly hate them because they're white.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:30 pm

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Not going to happen. How is Mount Rushmore a symbol of white supremacy?

Yeah, I wonder what makes whole bunch of genocidal racists carved into the side of a mountain that's significant to the people they oppressed a symbol of white supremacy. A real mystery, where I'm coning from.

Still waiting on your alternative names for Washington DC, Jefferson City and Jackson

And you can keep waiting for that irrelevant info all you want.


Yeah it is. Lets demolish the Washington monument, Jefferson and Lincoln Memorial too. Im sorry they don't live up to our standards and you have this insane notion that anything named for them should be changed because it does't fit your radical far left woke agenda.

I don't think think its irrelevant to ask someone whose saying they should be renamed what their alternatives are.

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Postby Cordel One » Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:31 pm

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Cordel One wrote:Symbols of white supremacy should always be demolished, and the land should be given back to the natives.


Do the Sioux live there now?

Because at this point, "Native Americans" aren't the only people who are born and raised on this continent, therefore being de-facto native.

It's historically significat to them, giving them the mountain is the least he state could do.

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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:33 pm

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Do the Sioux live there now?

Because at this point, "Native Americans" aren't the only people who are born and raised on this continent, therefore being de-facto native.

It's historically significat to them, giving them the mountain is the least he state could do.


It's historically significant to people aside from them too.

I don't see a reason for the status quo to change, considering it'll just create a controversy. Now, I could agree that land could feasibly be returned to certain Native American tribes, but it should be done by...You know...not committing iconoclasm towards historical landmarks and monuments.
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Postby Cordel One » Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:34 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Cordel One wrote:Yeah, I wonder what makes whole bunch of genocidal racists carved into the side of a mountain that's significant to the people they oppressed a symbol of white supremacy. A real mystery, where I'm coning from.


And you can keep waiting for that irrelevant info all you want.


Yeah it is. Lets demolish the Washington monument, Jefferson and Lincoln Memorial too. Im sorry they don't live up to our standards and you have this insane notion that anything named for them should be changed because it does't fit your radical far left woke agenda.

Rename the Washinton Monument, make the Jefferson and Lincoln memorials into museums that don't just spout propaganda.

I don't think think its irrelevant to ask someone whose saying they should be renamed what their alternatives are.

It is.
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Cordel One wrote:It's historically significat to them, giving them the mountain is the least he state could do.


It's historically significant to people aside from them too.

They get dibs.

I don't see a reason for the status quo to change, considering it'll just create a controversy. Now, I could agree that land could feasibly be returned to certain Native American tribes, but it should be done by...You know...not committing iconoclasm towards historical landmarks and monuments.

That's on you.
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Postby Western Fardelshufflestein » Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:35 pm

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Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:1. Because they're WHITE MEN! (Dramatic gasp)

Hmm, what happened to the native population again? Whatever, doesnt matter. I clearly hate them because they're white.

I know what happened to the natives...and it was disgusting, and awful, and inhumane. Take the Massacre at Wounded Knee--completely unjustifiable. The Trail of Tears, Tecumseh, all of them--they deserved better than to be killed and pushed off their lands.
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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:36 pm

Cordel One wrote:Rename the Washinton Monument, make the Jefferson and Lincoln memorials into museums that don't just spout propaganda.


No.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:36 pm

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Yeah it is. Lets demolish the Washington monument, Jefferson and Lincoln Memorial too. Im sorry they don't live up to our standards and you have this insane notion that anything named for them should be changed because it does't fit your radical far left woke agenda.

Rename the Washinton Monument, make the Jefferson and Lincoln memorials into museums that don't just spout propaganda.

I don't think think its irrelevant to ask someone whose saying they should be renamed what their alternatives are.

It is.


To what? What is there is that is propaganda? A memorial and a museum are the same thing.

It really isn't but I suspect the reason you won't answer is because you dont have an alternative and would rather just spout things like that to be edgy.

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Postby Atheris » Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:36 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Cordel One wrote:Yeah, I wonder what makes whole bunch of genocidal racists carved into the side of a mountain that's significant to the people they oppressed a symbol of white supremacy. A real mystery, where I'm coning from.


And you can keep waiting for that irrelevant info all you want.


Yeah it is. Lets demolish the Washington monument, Jefferson and Lincoln Memorial too. Im sorry they don't live up to our standards and you have this insane notion that anything named for them should be changed because it does't fit your radical far left woke agenda.

I don't think think its irrelevant to ask someone whose saying they should be renamed what their alternatives are.

Honestly, the Washington Monument is pretty ugly. It's just a big pencil. I prefer Benjamin Latrobe's 1790 design.
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Postby Cordel One » Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:36 pm

Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:
Cordel One wrote:Hmm, what happened to the native population again? Whatever, doesnt matter. I clearly hate them because they're white.

I know what happened to the natives...and it was disgusting, and awful, and inhumane. Take the Massacre at Wounded Knee--completely unjustifiable. The Trail of Tears, Tecumseh, all of them--they deserved better than to be killed and pushed off their lands.

Which is exactly why carving the faces of the people responsible into a historically significant mountain makes it a symbol of white supremacy.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:38 pm

Cordel One wrote:
Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:I know what happened to the natives...and it was disgusting, and awful, and inhumane. Take the Massacre at Wounded Knee--completely unjustifiable. The Trail of Tears, Tecumseh, all of them--they deserved better than to be killed and pushed off their lands.

Which is exactly why carving the faces of the people responsible into a historically significant mountain makes it a symbol of white supremacy.

and your solution is to destroy it? Good thing your not in charge.

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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:38 pm

Cordel One wrote:They get dibs.

That's on you.


You don't actually get to decide that by any metric.

What's "on me"?
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