San Francisco may rename school named for Washington

[Ifreann]

Oh, so suddenly you support changing the names of cities? How very interesting. How very curious. I stroke my beard in feigned thoughtfulness. Hmmmmmmmmm.

I didnt say that.

So restore Nieuw Amsterdam.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Washington, Jefferson, and Lincoln were racistg in their on time too, racism was just more accepted.

How were they racist in their own time? few considered them that. But according to you nothing should named for them because they don't meet todays standards?

Christians and Muslims tore down pagan temples and communists tore down un-communist stuff literally using the same logic: Abolish treif!

[Samicana]

This is just bait inhibiting progress.
If people want it renamed, fine, if they don't, fine.

We need to be teaching children about the reality of the United State's history, and that should come before any artificial changes are made. I was taught that the pilgrims and the Wampanoag were friends, and genuinely believed it because that's what I was told until my Freshman year History teacher had us read some primary sources telling us otherwise. While we can't just teach 8 year olds about genocide as they're so young, we can't give them any more false perceptions about our history.

When exactly did you attended elementary and middle school?

Like around 2010, things might have changed, but I don't really pay attention to my elementary school's curriculum.

[San Lumen]

I didnt say that.

So restore Nieuw Amsterdam.

why?

[Insaanistan]

Please. While some people do engage in that, the main focus is trying to not have places named after racists.

Washington, Jefferson and Lincoln would be racists by today's standards. To say we can't have something named for them because they held beliefs or did things we find objectionable today is ludicrous. It is simply not fair to apply modern standards to the past. By that standard you have to rename just about every place named for a person including Washington DC.

Washington? Yeah.
Jefferson? Oh yeah.
Lincoln? Ehhh... pretty up for debate.

[Cordel One]

Washington, Jefferson, and Lincoln were racistg in their on time too, racism was just more accepted.

How were they racist in their own time? few considered them that. But according to you nothing should named for them because they don't meet todays standards?

Racism refers to "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized". If they fit that definition, they were racist. The meaning of racism has never changed, it has just become less accepted by society.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

How were they racist in their own time? few considered them that. But according to you nothing should named for them because they don't meet todays standards?

Racism refers to "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized". If they fit that definition, they were racist. The meaning of racism has never changed, it has just become less accepted by society.

Why don’t you guys accept my proposal then? If Greek letters are “too white” there is always......Ge’ez. Now it can not be racist and everyone gets to learn some Ethiopian culture. Isn’t that acceptable?

[The Black Forrest]

Washington, Jefferson and Lincoln would be racists by today's standards. To say we can't have something named for them because they held beliefs or did things we find objectionable today is ludicrous. It is simply not fair to apply modern standards to the past. By that standard you have to rename just about every place named for a person including Washington DC.

Washington? Yeah.
Jefferson? Oh yeah.
Lincoln? Ehhh... pretty up for debate.

Lincoln versus two slave owners (well Washington was by proxy though he did own one IIRC).

So how is Lincoln debatable?

[San Lumen]

Racism refers to "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized". If they fit that definition, they were racist. The meaning of racism has never changed, it has just become less accepted by society.

Why don’t you guys accept my proposal then?

which is what?

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Why don’t you guys accept my proposal then?

which is what?

Rename everything to meaningless random combinations of Greek letters. If Greek is “too white” there is always Ge’ez.

This can permanently settle this issue. Public schools should never be named after humans.

[San Lumen]

which is what?

Rename everything to meaningless random combinations of Greek letters.

No that's dumb.

[Cordel One]

Racism refers to "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized". If they fit that definition, they were racist. The meaning of racism has never changed, it has just become less accepted by society.

Why don’t you guys accept my proposal then? If Greek letters are “too white” there is always......Ge’ez. Now it can not be racist and everyone gets to learn some Ethiopian culture. Isn’t that acceptable?

I haven't read your proposal, lemme go look for it

[Insaanistan]

Washington? Yeah.
Jefferson? Oh yeah.
Lincoln? Ehhh... pretty up for debate.

Lincoln versus two slave owners (well Washington was by proxy though he did own one IIRC).

So how is Lincoln debatable?

It’s barely debatable at all. Mainly people claiming Lincoln believed in equality under the law but didn’t actually see black people as equal.
Personally, I don’t think he was a racist.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Rename everything to meaningless random combinations of Greek letters.

No that's dumb.

It isn’t. This permanently removes this concern once and for all.

[Insaanistan]

Racism refers to "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized". If they fit that definition, they were racist. The meaning of racism has never changed, it has just become less accepted by society.

Why don’t you guys accept my proposal then? If Greek letters are “too white” there is always......Ge’ez. Now it can not be racist and everyone gets to learn some Ethiopian culture. Isn’t that acceptable?

How are Greek letters too wh... you know what, never mind.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Why don’t you guys accept my proposal then? If Greek letters are “too white” there is always......Ge’ez. Now it can not be racist and everyone gets to learn some Ethiopian culture. Isn’t that acceptable?

How are Greek letters too wh... you know what, never mind.

If that’s what it takes to stop both sides from politicizing it, let’s actually do it.

[Cordel One]

which is what?

Rename everything to meaningless random combinations of Greek letters. If Greek is “too white” there is always Ge’ez.

This can permanently settle this issue. Public schools should never be named after humans.

I'd prefer not, there are some people and events worth havinf thigs named after and all public buildings would look like they're owned by fraternities.

I'd much rather have Greek letters than racist scumbags, though

How are Greek letters too wh... you know what, never mind.

If that’s what it takes to stop both sides from politicizing it, let’s actually do it.

Politicizing things isn't bad in itself.

[The Black Forrest]

Rename everything to meaningless random combinations of Greek letters.

No that's dumb.

Actually he is right. Generic identification eliminates all the “oh I am so offended you would name it after this guy who owned slaves 200 years ago!” or “I am offended because this guy did that or said this 100+ years ago!”

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Rename everything to meaningless random combinations of Greek letters. If Greek is “too white” there is always Ge’ez.

This can permanently settle this issue. Public schools should never be named after humans.

I'd prefer not, there are some people and events worth havinf thigs named after and all public buildings would look like they're owned by fraternities.

I'd much rather have Greek letters than racist scumbags, though

Just don’t. The humans you accept aren’t accepted by the social right. Greek and Ge’ez are probably among the few things that don’t offend either side.

[San Lumen]

Rename everything to meaningless random combinations of Greek letters. If Greek is “too white” there is always Ge’ez.

This can permanently settle this issue. Public schools should never be named after humans.

I'd prefer not, there are some people and events worth havinf thigs named after and all public buildings would look like they're owned by fraternities.

I'd much rather have Greek letters than racist scumbags, though

Yes according to you everyone from throughout history who held racist beliefs by today's standards should not have something named for them be changed and their memorials bulldozed. Lets not forget you want Mount Rushmore destroyed.

Let's rename Washington DC and Jefferson City too.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Rename everything to meaningless random combinations of Greek letters. If Greek is “too white” there is always Ge’ez.

This can permanently settle this issue. Public schools should never be named after humans.

I'd prefer not, there are some people and events worth havinf thigs named after and all public buildings would look like they're owned by fraternities.

I'd much rather have Greek letters than racist scumbags, though

If that’s what it takes to stop both sides from politicizing it, let’s actually do it.

Politicizing things isn't bad in itself.

I’m tired of both sides existing and not working on real problems in the world such as women’s rights in Saudi Arabia and China existing.

[The Black Forrest]

I'd prefer not, there are some people and events worth havinf thigs named after and all public buildings would look like they're owned by fraternities.

I'd much rather have Greek letters than racist scumbags, though

Yes according to you everyone from throughout history who held racist beliefs by today's standards should not have something named for them be changed and their memorials bulldozed. Lets not forget you want Mount Rushmore destroyed.

Let's rename Washington DC and Jefferson City too.

Raccoon City is available.

[Kannap]

Washington, Jefferson, and Lincoln were racistg in their on time too, racism was just more accepted.

How were they racist in their own time? few considered them that. But according to you nothing should named for them because they don't meet todays standards?

Racism isn't new. just because it was the norm doesn't mean they weren't racist.

Because I don't know about you Lumen, but if owning another person as property because their skin color (Jefferson and Washington) is what you believe to make them inferior than you isn't racism, then I don't know what is.

[San Lumen]

How were they racist in their own time? few considered them that. But according to you nothing should named for them because they don't meet todays standards?

Racism isn't new. just because it was the norm doesn't mean they weren't racist.

Because I don't know about you Lumen, but if owning another person as property because their skin color (Jefferson and Washington) is what you believe to make them inferior than you isn't racism, then I don't know what is.

I don't deny slavery is wrong but to say we cannot have something named for them because they did something considered awful today is a bit ludicrous. if we are going to adopt such a standard you'd soon have few historical figures you could name anything for.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

No that's dumb.

Actually he is right. Generic identification eliminates all the “oh I am so offended you would name it after this guy who owned slaves 200 years ago!” or “I am offended because this guy did that or said this 100+ years ago!”

SJ renaming begets alt-right counter-renaming which begets more SJ renaming. This will never end until we get rid of human-based names altogether. Let’s just uniformly make them random letters.

There are a lot of alphabets people can use. If Greek looks like a fraternity and Cyrillic looks too communist there are always Armenian and Georgian.