San Francisco may rename school named for Washington

[Kannap]

Sure, go for it. Maybe call it Habeas Corpus, that would be amusing.


I would think that the schools are all closed.

Yeah and instead of thinking about how to reopen them they are showing how woke they can be.

I would assume they've decidedly chosen not to reopen anytime soon because safety reasons. We are living through a pandemic, after all.

[SD_Film Artists]

Let’s rename Lincoln, Nebraska while we’re at it.

School boards should be about education of children not perusing a far left woke agenda like these people are.

Using the sarcastic "woke" shows you're only moving further and further to the right.

And characterizing changing some school names because their name-sake isn't as revered as they used to be, as "far left", confirms it. That's barely left at all, on another axis of SJW perhaps?

Being against wokeness isn't right-wing, it's just that the right-wing are the most vocal in it.

Edit: right-wing, not far-right.....but the far-right too.

Imo Ifreann would give you less trouble if you could break his focus on what YOU think. Stop answering every question, or at least stop showing a willingness to answer questions indefinitely. He's like a mean psychiatrist!

Isn't the point of NSG to answer questions? That said, sometimes I'm not entirely convinced that Ifreann is focused on what one thinks; if that were true then half his posts wouldn't be borderline strawmen.

[Ifreann]

I imagine she can't shut it down.

Even if her mayoral powers don't grant her that power, she could at least lend her voice as a public figure (and someone who's already apparently qualified and willing to weigh in on this) to demonstrate that this kind of sycophantic behavior shouldn't be accepted in schools.

This would seem to be the opposite of sycophantic. The school board are not kissing ass and people find that very upsetting.

When Lincoln has risen from the grave to wreak vengeance on the living for their insults to his memory, then I might care about whether he's being disrespected.

It's almost as if people wish to defend the proper accademic contextualisation of history rather than thinking that Lincon will be literally hurt from this.

What does academic contextualisation of history have to do with anything? We're talking about the names of the schools, not the history curriculum.

[Ifreann]

Sure, go for it. Maybe call it Habeas Corpus, that would be amusing.


I would think that the schools are all closed.

Yeah and instead of thinking about how to reopen them they are showing how woke they can be.

Yeah, that seems fine to me. Decisions about reopening schools should probably be handled at a higher level than the local school board.

[SD_Film Artists]

Even if her mayoral powers don't grant her that power, she could at least lend her voice as a public figure (and someone who's already apparently qualified and willing to weigh in on this) to demonstrate that this kind of sycophantic behavior shouldn't be accepted in schools.

This would seem to be the opposite of sycophantic. The school board are not kissing ass and people find that very upsetting.

They're kissing SJW ass, and I think you know that. If they removed the figures for non-SJW reasons (such as, converting to a Catholic school and wanting to have a name which sounds more like a church, perhaps maintaining a statue of Washington to demonstrate that no unpatrioticness is intended) then I don't think there'd be as much of an issue.

It's almost as if people wish to defend the proper accademic contextualisation of history rather than thinking that Lincon will be literally hurt from this.

What does academic contextualisation of history have to do with anything? We're talking about the names of the schools, not the history curriculum.

Proper academic contextualisation of history is an important skill in life. Even if the children weren't planning on becoming archiologists we'd still be failing the younger generations if we perpetuate the message that 'historical figures are all evil unless they had the forsight to appeal to any and all libitarian views of the 21st century'.

[Victorious Decepticons]

I for one welcome the creation of Optimus Primary School

I would oppose that highly. The definite wonders of that word blend do not excuse the fact that in G1, he ran a giant protection racket on the Earth, demanding fuel from it in exchange for continuing his illegal mercenary activities against the Decepticon Forces. By the way he constantly tried to blast the Decepticons into bits, he apparently also thinks that grand theft oil is worthy of the death penalty and that trials are for suckers. Not exactly an upstanding American fella.

Although he fits the hyper-woke crowd - the ones always looking for others to pretend they're superior to. The ones pretending to be "oh so good," while actually doing something just as illegal as the other guy and simultaneously trying to eliminate due process from the equation so he can just delete said other guy, whether figuratively or literally. He and the Autobots are the archetypes of everything I can't stand about people who are the RL equivalents.

[Ifreann]

This would seem to be the opposite of sycophantic. The school board are not kissing ass and people find that very upsetting.

They're kissing SJW ass, and I think you know that. If they removed the figures for non-SJW reasons (such as, converting to a Catholic school and wanting to have a name which sounds more like a church, perhaps maintaining a statue of Washington to demonstrate that no unpatrioticness is intended) then I don't think there'd be as much of an issue.

Why should they have to signal patriotism?

What does academic contextualisation of history have to do with anything? We're talking about the names of the schools, not the history curriculum.

Proper academic contextualisation of history is an important skill in life. Even if the children weren't planning on becoming archiologists we'd still be failing the younger generations if we perpetuate the message that 'historical figures are all evil unless they had the forsight to appeal to any and all libitarian views of the 21st century'.

Changing the name of a school doesn't perpetuate the message that historical figures are all evil unless they had the foresight to appeal to any and all libertarian views of the 21st century. On the contrary, this kind of proposal can lead to people actually thinking about and learning about history. Instead of mindlessly accepting the status quo, people might now question whether it really is a desirable state of affairs. Isn't it more respectful to Lincoln's memory to choose to honour him based on a full understanding of his life a presidency, instead of doing it just because it's the done thing?

[Vassenor]

They're kissing SJW ass, and I think you know that. If they removed the figures for non-SJW reasons (such as, converting to a Catholic school and wanting to have a name which sounds more like a church, perhaps maintaining a statue of Washington to demonstrate that no unpatrioticness is intended) then I don't think there'd be as much of an issue.

Why should they have to signal patriotism?

Because a subset of American conservatives get upset when you fail to show their god the due reverence.

[San Lumen]

They're kissing SJW ass, and I think you know that. If they removed the figures for non-SJW reasons (such as, converting to a Catholic school and wanting to have a name which sounds more like a church, perhaps maintaining a statue of Washington to demonstrate that no unpatrioticness is intended) then I don't think there'd be as much of an issue.

Why should they have to signal patriotism?

Proper academic contextualisation of history is an important skill in life. Even if the children weren't planning on becoming archiologists we'd still be failing the younger generations if we perpetuate the message that 'historical figures are all evil unless they had the forsight to appeal to any and all libitarian views of the 21st century'.

Changing the name of a school doesn't perpetuate the message that historical figures are all evil unless they had the foresight to appeal to any and all libertarian views of the 21st century. On the contrary, this kind of proposal can lead to people actually thinking about and learning about history. Instead of mindlessly accepting the status quo, people might now question whether it really is a desirable state of affairs. Isn't it more respectful to Lincoln's memory to choose to honour him based on a full understanding of his life a presidency, instead of doing it just because it's the done thing?

I don't see any logical reason why it needs to be changed.

[Kannap]

Why should they have to signal patriotism?


Changing the name of a school doesn't perpetuate the message that historical figures are all evil unless they had the foresight to appeal to any and all libertarian views of the 21st century. On the contrary, this kind of proposal can lead to people actually thinking about and learning about history. Instead of mindlessly accepting the status quo, people might now question whether it really is a desirable state of affairs. Isn't it more respectful to Lincoln's memory to choose to honour him based on a full understanding of his life a presidency, instead of doing it just because it's the done thing?

I don't see any logical reason why it needs to be changed.

Reckon you can go to a San Fran school board meeting and voice your concerns, if you like.

[San Lumen]

I don't see any logical reason why it needs to be changed.

Reckon you can go to a San Fran school board meeting and voice your concerns, if you like.

why would I do that? I don't live in San Francisco. Is someone not allowed to comment or debate about something that doesn't directly effect them? Should CNN not have picked up this story?

[Kannap]

Reckon you can go to a San Fran school board meeting and voice your concerns, if you like.

why would I do that? I don't live in San Francisco. Is someone not allowed to comment or debate about something that doesn't directly effect them? Should CNN not have picked up this story?

This particular situation seems a bit silly a thing to get worked up over when it doesn't effect you in the slightest, yes.

Sure, you have a right to complain all you like. But as far as I'm aware, nobody here is in any position of authority to rename a school. Kinda yelling at a brick wall if you aren't going to voice your concerns to the people that matter.

[San Lumen]

why would I do that? I don't live in San Francisco. Is someone not allowed to comment or debate about something that doesn't directly effect them? Should CNN not have picked up this story?

This particular situation seems a bit silly a thing to get worked up over when it doesn't effect you in the slightest, yes.

Sure, you have a right to complain all you like. But as far as I'm aware, nobody here is in any position of authority to rename a school. Kinda yelling at a brick wall if you aren't going to voice your concerns to the people that matter.

By this logic why debate anything here that doesn't directly affect you?

[Kannap]

This particular situation seems a bit silly a thing to get worked up over when it doesn't effect you in the slightest, yes.

Sure, you have a right to complain all you like. But as far as I'm aware, nobody here is in any position of authority to rename a school. Kinda yelling at a brick wall if you aren't going to voice your concerns to the people that matter.

By this logic why debate anything here that doesn't directly affect you?

Because then NSG would be too quiet, naturally.

[The Two Jerseys]

If it was literally about a school name then you'd be correct, but I suspect that they have a deeper agenda here; that being the villification and/or un-personing of historical figures and white/european heritage; removing anyone who doesn't fellow the party line. Washington actively rebelled against Britain yet we (British) still have the respect to give him a statue in London. Yet ironically, London is trying to remove him from California. If someone has such scant disregard for one's heritage then how are they fit to lead?



Isn't he still revered in left-wing circles? More importantly, by the very people who want to remove washington statues?

Please. While some people do engage in that, the main focus is trying to not have places named after racists.

Dianne Feinstein is on their list for not removing a Confederate flag from a historical flag display fast enough from their liking.

Sounds more like they want to unperson anyone who doesn't toe their line.

[San Lumen]

If it was literally about a school name then you'd be correct, but I suspect that they have a deeper agenda here; that being the villification and/or un-personing of historical figures and white/european heritage; removing anyone who doesn't fellow the party line. Washington actively rebelled against Britain yet we (British) still have the respect to give him a statue in London. Yet ironically, London is trying to remove him from California. If someone has such scant disregard for one's heritage then how are they fit to lead?



Isn't he still revered in left-wing circles? More importantly, by the very people who want to remove washington statues?

Please. While some people do engage in that, the main focus is trying to not have places named after racists.

Washington, Jefferson and Lincoln would be racists by today's standards. To say we can't have something named for them because they held beliefs or did things we find objectionable today is ludicrous. It is simply not fair to apply modern standards to the past. By that standard you have to rename just about every place named for a person including Washington DC.

[Ifreann]

Why should they have to signal patriotism?


Changing the name of a school doesn't perpetuate the message that historical figures are all evil unless they had the foresight to appeal to any and all libertarian views of the 21st century. On the contrary, this kind of proposal can lead to people actually thinking about and learning about history. Instead of mindlessly accepting the status quo, people might now question whether it really is a desirable state of affairs. Isn't it more respectful to Lincoln's memory to choose to honour him based on a full understanding of his life a presidency, instead of doing it just because it's the done thing?

I don't see any logical reason why it needs to be changed.

It's the name of a school, it never needs to be anything. But you can do things because you want to do them.

[Ifreann]

Please. While some people do engage in that, the main focus is trying to not have places named after racists.

Washington, Jefferson and Lincoln would be racists by today's standards. To say we can't have something named for them because they held beliefs or did things we find objectionable today is ludicrous. It is simply not fair to apply modern standards to the past. By that standard you have to rename just about every place named for a person including Washington DC.

Restore Nieuw Amsterdam.

[San Lumen]

Washington, Jefferson and Lincoln would be racists by today's standards. To say we can't have something named for them because they held beliefs or did things we find objectionable today is ludicrous. It is simply not fair to apply modern standards to the past. By that standard you have to rename just about every place named for a person including Washington DC.

Restore Nieuw Amsterdam.

How about no.

[Kannap]

Please. While some people do engage in that, the main focus is trying to not have places named after racists.

Washington, Jefferson and Lincoln would be racists by today's standards. To say we can't have something named for them because they held beliefs or did things we find objectionable today is ludicrous. It is simply not fair to apply modern standards to the past. By that standard you have to rename just about every place named for a person including Washington DC.

If you keep insisting that we rename everything, you might just convince some of us.

[Ifreann]

Restore Nieuw Amsterdam.

How about no.

Oh, so suddenly you support changing the names of cities? How very interesting. How very curious. I stroke my beard in feigned thoughtfulness. Hmmmmmmmmm.

[San Lumen]

How about no.

Oh, so suddenly you support changing the names of cities? How very interesting. How very curious. I stroke my beard in feigned thoughtfulness. Hmmmmmmmmm.

I didnt say that.

[Cordel One]

Please. While some people do engage in that, the main focus is trying to not have places named after racists.

Washington, Jefferson and Lincoln would be racists by today's standards. To say we can't have something named for them because they held beliefs or did things we find objectionable today is ludicrous. It is simply not fair to apply modern standards to the past. By that standard you have to rename just about every place named for a person including Washington DC.

Washington, Jefferson, and Lincoln were racistg in their on time too, racism was just more accepted.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Washington, Jefferson and Lincoln would be racists by today's standards. To say we can't have something named for them because they held beliefs or did things we find objectionable today is ludicrous. It is simply not fair to apply modern standards to the past. By that standard you have to rename just about every place named for a person including Washington DC.

If you keep insisting that we rename everything, you might just convince some of us.

Let’s do it and rename everything after meaningless random combination of Greek letters. This will permanently make them kosher to all sides, untainted by whatever definition of treif.

[San Lumen]

Washington, Jefferson and Lincoln would be racists by today's standards. To say we can't have something named for them because they held beliefs or did things we find objectionable today is ludicrous. It is simply not fair to apply modern standards to the past. By that standard you have to rename just about every place named for a person including Washington DC.

Washington, Jefferson, and Lincoln were racistg in their on time too, racism was just more accepted.

How were they racist in their own time? few considered them that. But according to you nothing should named for them because they don't meet todays standards?