San Francisco may rename school named for Washington

[Albrenia]

...can I steal that for later use?

Be my guest.

Thanks!

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Renaming Chinatown or changing the namesake of Chinatown? Maybe in this case we actually need renaming since almost nobody would have considered Hitlerberg an acceptable place name, right?

Most people would have stopped digging by now...

Miners need to exist. This is off topic though.

Using the precedent that Chinatowns have been renamed Charlestowns..shall we also rename Washington? I tentatively lean towards no since Washington is not comparable to entities as brutal as Nazi Germany, Soviet Union or China.

[Fahran]

this is a fucking narrative how do you not see that

Kowani, realizing critical theory can be used on critical theory, 2021, colorized.

[Fahran]

So glad I moved out of there a few months ago. Pure stupidity. You would think they would try and spend the same amount of time and energy, addressing the rampant crime, homelessness and human waste in the streets. But no, rename the public schools. What about Muir woods? It's a National park, huge tourist draw and 15 minutes from SF.. Are they going to rename that as well? Remove the Unico monument since some of the 46 country rep's probably did something to offend modern sensibilities.

In fairness, the school board passed the initial resolution. The school board does not have the jurisdiction to address rampant crime, homelessness, and human waste in the streets. Those responsibilities would belong with the municipal government, which, while somewhat related to the school board in terms of structure and budgetary concerns, remains distinct from the school board as a governmental unit. Of course, one could argue that the school board has bigger fish to fry too, but multitasking is possible.

I think I'd simply argue for the existing narrative surrounding and system of values represented by Washington and other Founding Fathers as I did previously. It's not an unprincipled argument, though, no doubt, it will be contentious as all things are on NSG.

[Kowani]

this is a fucking narrative how do you not see that

Kowani, realizing critical theory can be used on critical theory, 2021, colorized.

shudder
not a rabbit hole i want to dive down, thank you
i have better things to do
like a root canal

[Kowani]

They just keep getting into controversy; the city is now suing the district to open up

[Fahran]

They just keep getting into controversy; the city is now suing the district to open up

Okay, I was going to give them some credit before this. The governmental units in San Francisco need to get their act together. This is ridiculous on so many levels.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

They just keep getting into controversy; the city is now suing the district to open up

Okay, I was going to give them some credit before this. The governmental units in San Francisco need to get their act together. This is ridiculous on so many levels.

California needs to be renamed Catlifornia. That will solve a lot of problems the worst of which is that “California” is discriminatory towards cats.

[Kowani]

They just keep getting into controversy; the city is now suing the district to open up

Okay, I was going to give them some credit before this. The governmental units in San Francisco need to get their act together. This is ridiculous on so many levels.

it's a unique level of tragicomedy
we can only watch

Okay, I was going to give them some credit before this. The governmental units in San Francisco need to get their act together. This is ridiculous on so many levels.

California needs to be renamed Catlifornia. That will solve a lot of problems.

that won't do anything

[Fahran]

California needs to be renamed Catlifornia. That will solve a lot of problems the worst of which is that “California” is discriminatory towards cats.

Frankly, I feel like this would just make California even more cursed than it already is. Beyond that, the state government of California is not synonymous with the municipal government of San Francisco or San Francisco United School District's board.

that won't do anything

Relax, Ko. Our colleague is just trying to avert catastrophe. :^)

[Kowani]

California needs to be renamed Catlifornia. That will solve a lot of problems the worst of which is that “California” is discriminatory towards cats.

Frankly, I feel like this would just make California even more cursed than it already is. Beyond that, the state government of California is not synonymous with the municipal government of San Francisco or San Francisco United School District's board.

that won't do anything

Relax, Ko. Our colleague is just trying to avert catastrophe. :^)

...
why are you like this

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

California needs to be renamed Catlifornia. That will solve a lot of problems.

that won't do anything

The CA beef industry might appreciate it.

[Kowani]

that won't do anything

The CA beef industry might appreciate it.

...what are you talking about

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

Nope. Do you want to explain your reasoning or are you so authoritarian that you don’t want to explain your real reasoning? Lol.

...It's just dumb? If a thing was named in honor to a specific person it should be kept to be in honor to that specific person.

Old buildings often get torn down and new one built for the same purpose.

Should a new building also be named after the same person, to make up for the gross dishonor of "de-naming" by demolition?

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

The CA beef industry might appreciate it.

...what are you talking about

"Catlifornia" sounds more like "cattle" than "cat" ... at least to me.

There are a lot of towns named after an industry or resource that was there (usually now gone) but naming all of CA for an industry which is rather minor there ... would be barely less silly than naming it for an animal generally kept as a pet. It lacks grandeur either way.

[Kowani]

...what are you talking about

"Catlifornia" sounds more like "cattle" than "cat" ... at least to me.

There are a lot of towns named after an industry or resource that was there (usually now gone) but naming all of CA for an industry which is rather minor there ... would be barely less silly than naming it for an animal generally kept as a pet. It lacks grandeur either way.

...Beef is the 5th largest agricultural output in the state
and "cattle" and the proposed "catli" have different phonetics anyway

WHY DOES THIS THREAD KEEP CHURNING OUT BAD IDEAS

[Picairn]

WHY DOES THIS THREAD KEEP CHURNING OUT BAD IDEAS

Haven't you noticed? The quality of NSG debates is deteriorating.

[Kowani]

WHY DOES THIS THREAD KEEP CHURNING OUT BAD IDEAS

Haven't you noticed? The quality of NSG debates is deteriorating.

I don't participate in as many debates as I used to
and that's not just because of my focus on news

[Fahran]

WHY DOES THIS THREAD KEEP CHURNING OUT BAD IDEAS

Haven't you noticed? The quality of NSG debates is deteriorating.

I'd argue they're improving actually.

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

"Catlifornia" sounds more like "cattle" than "cat" ... at least to me.

There are a lot of towns named after an industry or resource that was there (usually now gone) but naming all of CA for an industry which is rather minor there ... would be barely less silly than naming it for an animal generally kept as a pet. It lacks grandeur either way.

...Beef is the 5th largest agricultural output in the state
and "cattle" and the proposed "catli" have different phonetics anyway

WHY DOES THIS THREAD KEEP CHURNING OUT BAD IDEAS

CA is not the leading beef producer. (Texas, etc) Characterizing the state by it's 5th largest industry is suspect, but when the state is well down the list as well, it's complete rubbish.

CA may very well have the most pet cats, if that's anything to be proud of.

The obvious pronunciation of the made up "Catlifornia" only has a hard i if that's the last letter ("catli" as you said) and in such a long name used often would be almost unvoiced. In my opinion. And there's really no point arguing how people would pronounce a name which was made up half an hour ago. I'm for "cattlefornia" except in formal use.

[Broader Confederate States]

i find it amusing that lincoln and sherman are on the list, i thought the confederacy was bad?
and it is, don't get me wrong; slavery is reprehensible and i'm not sad that it lost, but this is like the time that the federalist called aaron burr the true hero of hamilton. it's amusingly ironic that in an act to try to avoid causing offense to, let's be honest, white people too rich to have any actual problems in their lives, that they accidentally side with the confederate states.

[Kowani]

...Beef is the 5th largest agricultural output in the state
and "cattle" and the proposed "catli" have different phonetics anyway

WHY DOES THIS THREAD KEEP CHURNING OUT BAD IDEAS

CA is not the leading beef producer. (Texas, etc) Characterizing the state by it's 5th largest industry is suspect, but when the state is well down the list as well, it's complete rubbish.

...even if we use the "by state" metric, California is the 4th largest in the nation
what are you even talking about

CA may very well have the most pet cats, if that's anything to be proud of.

The obvious pronunciation of the made up "Catlifornia" only has a hard i if that's the last letter ("catli" as you said) and in such a long name used often would be almost unvoiced. In my opinion. And there's really no point arguing how people would pronounce a name which was made up half an hour ago. I'm for "cattlefornia" except in formal use.

...that's not how language works
even if we did it slurred, you'd get something like "cat-lefornya"
there's just no way to reasonably read that like you want to

Haven't you noticed? The quality of NSG debates is deteriorating.

I'd argue they're improving actually.

indeed, you participate less

[Kowani]

i find it amusing that lincoln and sherman are on the list, i thought the confederacy was bad?
and it is, don't get me wrong; slavery is reprehensible and i'm not sad that it lost, but this is like the time that the federalist called aaron burr the true hero of hamilton. it's amusingly ironic that in an act to try to avoid causing offense to, let's be honest, white people too rich to have any actual problems in their lives, that they accidentally side with the confederate states.

more accurately, there are no schools in SanFran named after the confederates, and so they don't have to change any of the names

[Picairn]

I'd argue they're improving actually.

You should be on NSG more often.

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

I'd argue they're improving actually.

You should be on NSG more often.

I think it's probably a sign the subject is talked out. School districts can rename schools any time they want, but the SF board made a mess out of this one and their timing wasn't great either.

I don't remember anyone commenting on my idea that locally significant people, or only moderately famous people who were born in the area, should be preferred over nationally famous figures who never had anything in particular to do with ... the area where the building is.

Or that school boards should have nothing to do with renaming. I would allow the Principal to initiate renaming, and it would be decided from a list on which all parents and staff vote.