San Francisco may rename school named for Washington

[Albrenia]

Not really the argument I'd use, to be honest.

Jefferson's actions were more benign. My point still stands though; other countries can have their heroes, so we can too.

I agree with your point, I just wouldn't use a guy who killed 10% of the world's population as my example of another country's national hero.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

They will do it anyway so why not find names both sides will accept?

Or the city government could step in and say no we are not doing that. The current names are all fine.

The renaming wars will continue despite that. So why not decisively decide that public schools shouldn’t be named after people?

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Jefferson's actions were more benign. My point still stands though; other countries can have their heroes, so we can too.

I agree with your point, I just wouldn't use a guy who killed 10% of the world's population as my example of another country's national hero.

National heroes are rarely non-deadly people.

[San Lumen]

Or the city government could step in and say no we are not doing that. The current names are all fine.

The renaming wars will continue despite that. So why not decisively decide that simply public schools shouldn’t be named after people?

what should we name them after?

[Jabberwocky]

Why is it even necessary to name a school after some dead person most of the students don't know?

[The Reformed American Republic]

Jefferson's actions were more benign. My point still stands though; other countries can have their heroes, so we can too.

I agree with your point, I just wouldn't use a guy who killed 10% of the world's population as my example of another country's national hero.

True, but I also like to point out that they don't seem to get the flack we do even though they celebrate someone far worse. We're held to a higher standard.

[Geneviev]

Why is it even necessary to name a school after some dead person most of the students don't know?

I hope they know Washington.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

The renaming wars will continue despite that. So why not decisively decide that simply public schools shouldn’t be named after people?

what should we name them after?

Chemical elements. This will at least help students read food ingredients labels once they graduate.

[San Lumen]

Why is it even necessary to name a school after some dead person most of the students don't know?

I hope they know who Washington, Jefferson and Lincoln are.

[Shrillland]

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/28/961511395/san-francisco-may-rename-schools-named-after-washington-lincoln-and-others

San Francisco is pushing ahead with a plan to rename dozens of public schools, committing to potentially remove names of public figures such as George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson and U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein. The board voted 6-1.

Mayor London Breed said she doesn;t think its conversation that should be had right now and thinks it ought to involve the public before a final decisions is made.

The school board passed a resolution in May 2018 to change names if the person "engaged in the subjugation and enslavement of human beings; or who oppressed women, inhibiting societal progress; or whose actions led to genocide; or who otherwise significantly diminished the opportunities of those amongst us to the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

Among schools the panel recommended be renamed are those named for former President Herbert Hoover, naturalist John Muir, Revolutionary War figure Paul Revere and author Robert Louis Stevenson. Former President James Monroe is also on the list, who is known to have held enslaved people, as did Washington and Jefferson.

I think its an incredibly stupid idea and these people shouldn't be on a school board. If you want to rename something named for Jefferson Davis that's one thing but to change name of something named for Washington, Lincoln and Jefferson who while flawed contributed greatly to the nation is absurd.

You might as well adopt a policy of anything named for anyone from before at least the 1930s has to be changed. We should rename Washington DC and the other state capitals named for Presidents while we are at it. They should have a public forum and they will see how unpopular this plan almost certainly would be.

Your Thoughts NSG?

It's one of those rules that made sense initially, but when you take the definitions to woke proportions, you end up censuring history itself, which is always a dangerous thing to do. They'll still re-elected, San Francisco loves wokeness, or the appearance of wokeness to hide their rotten wealth-obsessed core, but this wouldn't be as unpopular in SF itswlf as you might think.

[San Lumen]

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/28/961511395/san-francisco-may-rename-schools-named-after-washington-lincoln-and-others

San Francisco is pushing ahead with a plan to rename dozens of public schools, committing to potentially remove names of public figures such as George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson and U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein. The board voted 6-1.

Mayor London Breed said she doesn;t think its conversation that should be had right now and thinks it ought to involve the public before a final decisions is made.

The school board passed a resolution in May 2018 to change names if the person "engaged in the subjugation and enslavement of human beings; or who oppressed women, inhibiting societal progress; or whose actions led to genocide; or who otherwise significantly diminished the opportunities of those amongst us to the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

Among schools the panel recommended be renamed are those named for former President Herbert Hoover, naturalist John Muir, Revolutionary War figure Paul Revere and author Robert Louis Stevenson. Former President James Monroe is also on the list, who is known to have held enslaved people, as did Washington and Jefferson.

I think its an incredibly stupid idea and these people shouldn't be on a school board. If you want to rename something named for Jefferson Davis that's one thing but to change name of something named for Washington, Lincoln and Jefferson who while flawed contributed greatly to the nation is absurd.

You might as well adopt a policy of anything named for anyone from before at least the 1930s has to be changed. We should rename Washington DC and the other state capitals named for Presidents while we are at it. They should have a public forum and they will see how unpopular this plan almost certainly would be.

Your Thoughts NSG?

It's one of those rules that made sense initially, but when you take the definitions to woke proportions, you end up censuring history itself, which is always a dangerous thing to do. They'll still re-elected, San Francisco loves wokeness, or the appearance of wokeness to hide their rotten wealth-obsessed core, but this wouldn't be as unpopular in SF itswlf as you might think.

I hope they lose but its sad to hear they won't and that this wouldnt be unpopular. Makes me think twice about my dreams of moving to San Francisco.

[The Reformed American Republic]

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/28/961511395/san-francisco-may-rename-schools-named-after-washington-lincoln-and-others

San Francisco is pushing ahead with a plan to rename dozens of public schools, committing to potentially remove names of public figures such as George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson and U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein. The board voted 6-1.

Mayor London Breed said she doesn;t think its conversation that should be had right now and thinks it ought to involve the public before a final decisions is made.

The school board passed a resolution in May 2018 to change names if the person "engaged in the subjugation and enslavement of human beings; or who oppressed women, inhibiting societal progress; or whose actions led to genocide; or who otherwise significantly diminished the opportunities of those amongst us to the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

Among schools the panel recommended be renamed are those named for former President Herbert Hoover, naturalist John Muir, Revolutionary War figure Paul Revere and author Robert Louis Stevenson. Former President James Monroe is also on the list, who is known to have held enslaved people, as did Washington and Jefferson.

I think its an incredibly stupid idea and these people shouldn't be on a school board. If you want to rename something named for Jefferson Davis that's one thing but to change name of something named for Washington, Lincoln and Jefferson who while flawed contributed greatly to the nation is absurd.

You might as well adopt a policy of anything named for anyone from before at least the 1930s has to be changed. We should rename Washington DC and the other state capitals named for Presidents while we are at it. They should have a public forum and they will see how unpopular this plan almost certainly would be.

Your Thoughts NSG?

It's one of those rules that made sense initially, but when you take the definitions to woke proportions, you end up censuring history itself, which is always a dangerous thing to do. They'll still re-elected, San Francisco loves wokeness, or the appearance of wokeness to hide their rotten wealth-obsessed core, but this wouldn't be as unpopular in SF itswlf as you might think.

Capitalists not caring about the nation. What a surprise.

[Salus Maior]

Why is it even necessary to name a school after some dead person most of the students don't know?

Because history is a thing that's important and literally defines everyone's identities whether or not you're aware of it.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Why is it even necessary to name a school after some dead person most of the students don't know?

Because history is a thing that's important and literally defines everyone's identities whether or not you're aware of it.

More accurately, interpretation of history.

[Senkaku]

There is no way on God's green Earth to stretch "California municipality renames some school buildings" into a national news story

[Shrillland]

There is no way on God's green Earth to stretch "California municipality renames some school buildings" into a national news story

There is if the municipality is known for being incredibly woke to the point of ridicule and does something ridiculously woke.

[Solarampa]

Ah yes renaming a school after Abraham Lincoln because he helped free the slaves. 100% soundproof logic right there.

[Western Fardelshufflestein]

*Looks at title*
Um, ok, wtf? I know what GW did, good and bad, but you can't deny one side or the other. I'm not saying to form a cult around him, but really? He helped create America so buraki like the SanFran people in question could name schools what they wanted, not because "capitalists don't care about America." I'm capitalist, and I care about America and its people. In short: they have the right to do this, but it doesn't change the fact that I'm wtfing myself into the next decade.

[Windinstien kingdom]

This is BS it must keep the name

[Shrillland]

Ah yes renaming a school after Abraham Lincoln because he helped free the slaves. 100% soundproof logic right there.

Well, it was supposedly because of his involvement in the Northfield hanging(the largest mass hanging in American history) during the Sioux Uprising in Minnesota...which I can understand to an extent, but still. Things do have to be weighed against things.

[Neanderthaland]

I for one welcome the creation of Optimus Primary School

[Karlopetrus]

[EDIT] I was still thinking like Comrade Leo when I wrote this. I need to be careful about roleplay.


The public schools should use a simple numbering scheme based on location and age. For example, in San Francisco the oldest public high school should be named San Francisco High School 1. The next oldest should be named San Francisco High School 2. Etc.

I further propose that all private schools be absorbed into the public school system. In that case, their age would be calculated based on the date of their absorption.

[Western Fardelshufflestein]

I for one welcome the creation of Optimus Primary School

Kenneth Branagh Academy, here we come!

[The Lone Alliance]

There is no way on God's green Earth to stretch "California municipality renames some school buildings" into a national news story

There is if the municipality is known for being incredibly woke to the point of ridicule and does something ridiculously woke.

Maybe they'll get so woke they'll get that condition where they lose the ability to sleep and we get to watch them all go insane.

[Czechostan]

I couldn't care less if the schools are renamed: just let the public have some input.

But I will say, I generally disapprove of naming institutions after living people, especially someone like Feinstein.