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Romextly
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Corporate Police State

Postby Romextly » Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:32 pm

Conservative Libertarian

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Countesia
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Countesia » Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:35 pm

Left leaning libertarian centrist
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Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum
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Democratic Socialists

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Compassionate Centrist Christians
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Postby Compassionate Centrist Christians » Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:50 pm

Centrist Libertarian/Social Democrat
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Duvniask
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Duvniask » Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:11 pm

Catsfern wrote:I'm fairly libertarian and an ardent capitalist though I'm also thoroughly against big business.

People on NSG always manage to come up with the most nonsensical configuration of political leanings, this being an excellent example.

The logical endpoint of capitalist development is concentration and monopolization, wherever economies of scale allow it. The above post seems to indicate a petty bourgeois mindset that wishes to crystallize capitalism in some sort of romanticized ideal of small businesses everywhere, something that was characteristic of capitalism in its earliest stage - such a wish is doomed to failure, and only by stifling the economic basis of society can you delay the inevitable consolidation that leads to "big business".
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Postby Silvedania » Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:12 pm

libertarian left
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Postby The Spook Who Sat By The Door » Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:55 pm

Duvniask wrote:
Catsfern wrote:I'm fairly libertarian and an ardent capitalist though I'm also thoroughly against big business.

People on NSG always manage to come up with the most nonsensical configuration of political leanings, this being an excellent example.

The logical endpoint of capitalist development is concentration and monopolization, wherever economies of scale allow it. The above post seems to indicate a petty bourgeois mindset that wishes to crystallize capitalism in some sort of romanticized ideal of small businesses everywhere, something that was characteristic of capitalism in its earliest stage - such a wish is doomed to failure, and only by stifling the economic basis of society can you delay the inevitable consolidation that leads to "big business".

What would capitalism look like if there were no special privileges given to corporations, e.g. no personhood, no liability shield for individuals involved? What would capitalism look like without fiat currency and fractional reserve banking?
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Bordanovia
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Postby Bordanovia » Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:59 pm

bolshevist, drawing from leftcoms and trotskyists as well as non-leninist bolsheviks like Bogdanov

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Bordanovia
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Postby Bordanovia » Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:01 pm

Duvniask wrote:
Catsfern wrote:I'm fairly libertarian and an ardent capitalist though I'm also thoroughly against big business.

People on NSG always manage to come up with the most nonsensical configuration of political leanings, this being an excellent example.

The logical endpoint of capitalist development is concentration and monopolization, wherever economies of scale allow it. The above post seems to indicate a petty bourgeois mindset that wishes to crystallize capitalism in some sort of romanticized ideal of small businesses everywhere, something that was characteristic of capitalism in its earliest stage - such a wish is doomed to failure, and only by stifling the economic basis of society can you delay the inevitable consolidation that leads to "big business".


truuu comrade, well said

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Bordanovia
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Postby Bordanovia » Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:04 pm

The Spook Who Sat By The Door wrote:
Duvniask wrote:People on NSG always manage to come up with the most nonsensical configuration of political leanings, this being an excellent example.

The logical endpoint of capitalist development is concentration and monopolization, wherever economies of scale allow it. The above post seems to indicate a petty bourgeois mindset that wishes to crystallize capitalism in some sort of romanticized ideal of small businesses everywhere, something that was characteristic of capitalism in its earliest stage - such a wish is doomed to failure, and only by stifling the economic basis of society can you delay the inevitable consolidation that leads to "big business".

What would capitalism look like if there were no special privileges given to corporations, e.g. no personhood, no liability shield for individuals involved? What would capitalism look like without fiat currency and fractional reserve banking?


concentration and monopolization. those things are "part of" capitalism not because of an ideological struggle of how best to run an economy, but because the state, as an organ for bourgeois class struggle, is used to maintain and reproduce capitalism, often through these methods you've mentioned. capitalism without them is fathomable, it certainly used to be the case, but its not any more for real reasons that are unavoidable.

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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:06 pm

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Postby Salus Maior » Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:07 pm

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Velaland
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Ex-Nation

Postby Velaland » Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:07 pm

My nation is libertarian but I’m personally conservative

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Blue Nagia
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Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Blue Nagia » Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:07 pm

I don't know if there's a name for "give the land over to its indigenous caretakers, who are already doing the crucial work of sustainable land management and food production and could do it a lot better if they weren't impoverished and oppressed at every turn, and also put these methods into place around the world before we all slide into the boiling oceans and die".

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Dagnia
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Postby Dagnia » Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:08 pm

Zen-fascist hippie nationalism. It actually makes quite a bit of sense after some explanation.
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The Spook Who Sat By The Door
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Postby The Spook Who Sat By The Door » Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:21 pm

Bordanovia wrote:
The Spook Who Sat By The Door wrote:What would capitalism look like if there were no special privileges given to corporations, e.g. no personhood, no liability shield for individuals involved? What would capitalism look like without fiat currency and fractional reserve banking?


concentration and monopolization. those things are "part of" capitalism not because of an ideological struggle of how best to run an economy, but because the state, as an organ for bourgeois class struggle, is used to maintain and reproduce capitalism, often through these methods you've mentioned. capitalism without them is fathomable, it certainly used to be the case, but its not any more for real reasons that are unavoidable.

Real reasons that are unavoidable means what?
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Postby Postauthoritarian America » Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:26 pm

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Intaglio
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Intaglio » Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:34 pm

I suppose I'm something of a moderate; I don't favor extremes of either side. Socially, I do admit I lean more to left, while fiscally I lean more right, but I have minimal knowledge of economic isues, so who knows if that will change.

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Left-wing Utopia

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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Western Theram » Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:02 pm

Mutualism/market anarchism
which i guess would be covered under "libertarian socialism"
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Suriyanakhon » Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:13 pm

Left-libertarian, mostly leaning to green socialism.
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Major-Tom
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Major-Tom » Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:47 pm

Politically chill.

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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:53 pm

The Spook Who Sat By The Door wrote:
Duvniask wrote:People on NSG always manage to come up with the most nonsensical configuration of political leanings, this being an excellent example.

The logical endpoint of capitalist development is concentration and monopolization, wherever economies of scale allow it. The above post seems to indicate a petty bourgeois mindset that wishes to crystallize capitalism in some sort of romanticized ideal of small businesses everywhere, something that was characteristic of capitalism in its earliest stage - such a wish is doomed to failure, and only by stifling the economic basis of society can you delay the inevitable consolidation that leads to "big business".

What would capitalism look like if there were no special privileges given to corporations, e.g. no personhood, no liability shield for individuals involved? What would capitalism look like without fiat currency and fractional reserve banking?

not much different
markets tend towards consolidation over time
it's an internal law
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:54 pm

Duvniask wrote:
Catsfern wrote:I'm fairly libertarian and an ardent capitalist though I'm also thoroughly against big business.

People on NSG always manage to come up with the most nonsensical configuration of political leanings, this being an excellent example.

The logical endpoint of capitalist development is concentration and monopolization, wherever economies of scale allow it. The above post seems to indicate a petty bourgeois mindset that wishes to crystallize capitalism in some sort of romanticized ideal of small businesses everywhere, something that was characteristic of capitalism in its earliest stage - such a wish is doomed to failure, and only by stifling the economic basis of society can you delay the inevitable consolidation that leads to "big business".


This is a big reason why I'm not a social Democrat. The issue with capitalism is it's a slippery slope, which prevents it from being humanized or tamed.

Once you introduce a profit motive, all kinds of shit goes down. Corporations develope, lobbying becomes an industry, wars get fought for resources, the environment gets fucked by big business and the world goes down to hell.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:55 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:''Pinko commie!'', according to my husband. I do lean left on the political spectrum, according to a few online tests I've taken, but I don't put too much trust in those. I just go with what politically sounds good to me. Does that covers it? Ok.


I've always gotten socdem vibes from you.
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