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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:01 pm

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Heloin wrote:So they're updating a old ride because of an upcoming movie and they decided that keeping the caricatures of tribal peoples probably wasn't the best choice.

Sounds like a pretty nonissue to be upset about.

I don't see why Disney would waste money giving ride characters you only see once or twice a visit backstories that have more detail than some movies.

They're bringing it in line with a movie they're making with The Rock. Movies promote the park promotes the movies. I mean, that Star Wars land thing is brand fucking new and they already altered it to match up with The Mandalorian.

Much ado about nothing.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:02 pm

Once they pulled pee-wee Herman out of star tours, it was over for me.
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Postby Atheris » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:03 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Atheris wrote:I don't see why Disney would waste money giving ride characters you only see once or twice a visit backstories that have more detail than some movies.

They're bringing it in line with a movie they're making with The Rock. Movies promote the park promotes the movies. I mean, that Star Wars land thing is brand fucking new and they already altered it to match up with The Mandalorian.

Much ado about nothing.

Oh, really? Nevermind then, lol. I thought they were just changing it to be "progressive!!!" and "relatable!!!".
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:07 pm

Atheris wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:They're bringing it in line with a movie they're making with The Rock. Movies promote the park promotes the movies. I mean, that Star Wars land thing is brand fucking new and they already altered it to match up with The Mandalorian.

Much ado about nothing.

Oh, really? Nevermind then, lol. I thought they were just changing it to be "progressive!!!" and "relatable!!!".

I mean, nobody really cares what race the NPCs running from the rhino are.

It's not like it's trying to make James Bond a black woman or something.
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Postby Heloin » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:10 pm

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Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:What are the offending images? I think seeing them would better help judge how offending they are.

People on a pole and monkeys on a boat to my knowledge.

Those are just pictures on a website as examples for the ride. You can read 2021 Concept art in the corners of both pictures.

Atheris wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:They're bringing it in line with a movie they're making with The Rock. Movies promote the park promotes the movies. I mean, that Star Wars land thing is brand fucking new and they already altered it to match up with The Mandalorian.

Much ado about nothing.

Oh, really? Nevermind then, lol. I thought they were just changing it to be "progressive!!!" and "relatable!!!".

If this was just that they decided to remove something they thought was problematic then why would you care?

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Postby Western Fardelshufflestein » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:11 pm

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Atheris wrote:Oh, really? Nevermind then, lol. I thought they were just changing it to be "progressive!!!" and "relatable!!!".

I mean, nobody really cares what race the NPCs running from the rhino are.

It's not like it's trying to make James Bond a black woman or something.

Exactly. I mean, I don't go to Disney parks, so I really don't care.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:12 pm

Heloin wrote:
Atheris wrote:People on a pole and monkeys on a boat to my knowledge.

Those are just pictures on a website as examples for the ride. You can read 2021 Concept art in the corners of both pictures.

Atheris wrote:Oh, really? Nevermind then, lol. I thought they were just changing it to be "progressive!!!" and "relatable!!!".

If this was just that they decided to remove something they thought was problematic then why would you care?

PEE-WEE Herman. I do care.
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Postby Heloin » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:13 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Heloin wrote:Those are just pictures on a website as examples for the ride. You can read 2021 Concept art in the corners of both pictures.


If this was just that they decided to remove something they thought was problematic then why would you care?

PEE-WEE Herman. I do care.

My friends dog is named Herman. I don't think he's on a Disney ride.

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Postby Atheris » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:17 pm

Heloin wrote:
Atheris wrote:People on a pole and monkeys on a boat to my knowledge.

Those are just pictures on a website as examples for the ride. You can read 2021 Concept art in the corners of both pictures.

Atheris wrote:Oh, really? Nevermind then, lol. I thought they were just changing it to be "progressive!!!" and "relatable!!!".

If this was just that they decided to remove something they thought was problematic then why would you care?

Because it would be another company pretending to be progressive and relatable so they can exploit their Chinese sweatshops even harder for that cold, hard cash. It's a scummy business practice.
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Postby Western Fardelshufflestein » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:18 pm

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Heloin wrote:Those are just pictures on a website as examples for the ride. You can read 2021 Concept art in the corners of both pictures.


If this was just that they decided to remove something they thought was problematic then why would you care?

Because it would be another company pretending to be progressive and relatable so they can exploit their Chinese sweatshops even harder for that cold, hard cash. It's a scummy business practice.

All so they won't get canceled on Twitter. Bread and circuses.
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Postby Heloin » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:20 pm

Atheris wrote:
Heloin wrote:Those are just pictures on a website as examples for the ride. You can read 2021 Concept art in the corners of both pictures.


If this was just that they decided to remove something they thought was problematic then why would you care?

Because it would be another company pretending to be progressive and relatable so they can exploit their Chinese sweatshops even harder for that cold, hard cash. It's a scummy business practice.

So when it's to make a profit you object to it. But when it's to make a profit you realise objecting to it is complete nonissue? If the only part of this you object to is that one way they're making a profit is pretending to be PC then why don't you care about them changing it to make a movie?
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Postby Atheris » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:21 pm

Heloin wrote:
Atheris wrote:Because it would be another company pretending to be progressive and relatable so they can exploit their Chinese sweatshops even harder for that cold, hard cash. It's a scummy business practice.

So when it's to make a profit you object to it. But when it's to make a profit you realise objecting to it is complete nonissue? If the only part of this you object to is that one way they're making a profit is pretending to be PC then that's you supporting the objectionable material not objecting to them trying to make a profit.

So close, yet so far.
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Postby Kermit T Frog » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:22 pm

Atheris wrote:
Heloin wrote:Those are just pictures on a website as examples for the ride. You can read 2021 Concept art in the corners of both pictures.


If this was just that they decided to remove something they thought was problematic then why would you care?

Because it would be another company pretending to be progressive and relatable so they can exploit their Chinese sweatshops even harder for that cold, hard cash. It's a scummy business practice.

Disney exploits slave labor regardless of what they do in the parks.
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Postby Heloin » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:22 pm

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Heloin wrote:So when it's to make a profit you object to it. But when it's to make a profit you realise objecting to it is complete nonissue? If the only part of this you object to is that one way they're making a profit is pretending to be PC then that's you supporting the objectionable material not objecting to them trying to make a profit.

So close, yet so far.

Both cases are them trying to make a profit. You only object when the multi billion dollar cooperation pretends to be PC.

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Postby Western Fardelshufflestein » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:24 pm

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Heloin wrote:So when it's to make a profit you object to it. But when it's to make a profit you realise objecting to it is complete nonissue? If the only part of this you object to is that one way they're making a profit is pretending to be PC then that's you supporting the objectionable material not objecting to them trying to make a profit.

So close, yet so far.

Atheris is arguing that their method of making profit is wrong because it perpetuates the exploitation of Chinese citizens while lining their own pockets and boosting the power of the CCP. As such, their agenda is a facade meant to pander. This doesn't mean they support the objectionable material; it means they're pandering to political correctness to distract from what they're really doing.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:25 pm

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Ethel mermania wrote:PEE-WEE Herman. I do care.

My friends dog is named Herman. I don't think he's on a Disney ride.

I support giving dogs old man names.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:29 pm

Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:
Atheris wrote:So close, yet so far.

Atheris is arguing that their method of making profit is wrong because it perpetuates the exploitation of Chinese citizens while lining their own pockets and boosting the power of the CCP. As such, their agenda is a facade meant to pander. This doesn't mean they support the objectionable material; it means they're pandering to political correctness to distract from what they're really doing.


In the parks they are not making their money on the backs of their Chinese labor. And they make their money on the exploited labor from the sweatshops whether they go PC or not.

Its ok to hate Disney for their overall business practices, but they are not related issues.
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Postby Heloin » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:29 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Heloin wrote:My friends dog is named Herman. I don't think he's on a Disney ride.

I support giving dogs old man names.

The dog is an old man dog now. He's a real sweetie.

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Postby Albrenia » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:32 pm

Is it bad that I don't care?

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Postby Western Fardelshufflestein » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:33 pm

Albrenia wrote:Is it bad that I don't care?

No. It's not.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:33 pm

Albrenia wrote:Is it bad that I don't care?

No
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Postby Heloin » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:37 pm

Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:
Atheris wrote:So close, yet so far.

Atheris is arguing that their method of making profit is wrong because it perpetuates the exploitation of Chinese citizens while lining their own pockets and boosting the power of the CCP. As such, their agenda is a facade meant to pander. This doesn't mean they support the objectionable material; it means they're pandering to political correctness to distract from what they're really doing.

But they never made that façade. Only those who objected that material some might find offensive being removed ever insisted that façade was the reason. Namely you and Atheris. The changes where actually being made for a movie and the dropping of objectionable characters happened because the set designers probably felt it would be a bad choice to add them.

The main objection you both seem to have is that removing offensive is bad because a corporation did it, but only when it's removed because it's offensive.

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Postby Baloo Kingdom » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:38 pm

Albrenia wrote:Is it bad that I don't care?

Not necessarily. It’d be like me saying I don’t care about sports
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Postby Heloin » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:39 pm

Albrenia wrote:Is it bad that I don't care?

If you care then you have a problem.

Hello, I'm Heloin and I'm a themeparkaholic.

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Postby Western Fardelshufflestein » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:40 pm

Heloin wrote:
Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:Atheris is arguing that their method of making profit is wrong because it perpetuates the exploitation of Chinese citizens while lining their own pockets and boosting the power of the CCP. As such, their agenda is a facade meant to pander. This doesn't mean they support the objectionable material; it means they're pandering to political correctness to distract from what they're really doing.

But they never made that façade. Only those who objected that material some might find offensive being removed ever insisted that façade was the reason. Namely you and Atheris. The changes where actually being made for a movie and the dropping of objectionable characters happened because the set designers probably felt it would be a bad choice to add them.

The main objection you both seem to have is that removing offensive is bad because a corporation did it, but only when it's removed because it's offensive.

Not necessarily...I understand this is for a movie. But things in general, well...corporations in many cases have gotten too powerful, and the Sherman Antitrust Act and the like should have been used against them years ago.
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