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by Andsed » Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:52 am
by A-Series-Of-Tubes » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:09 am
Andsed wrote:I believe in the recent referendum the pro statehood side won. In that cases we should make Puerto Rico a state. Or let it go and let them out of the limbo then currently trapped in.
by A-Series-Of-Tubes » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:12 am
by Shrillland » Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:35 am
A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:Oh another thing. If the President proposes it and Congress agrees, the next step would be a binding referendum in PR. That would have higher turnout and not be predictable, hence why it would be good to have a decent margin (more than 2%) in a non-binding referendum.
by Major-Tom » Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:41 am
The South Appalachian Region wrote:I've been to Puerto Rico and it was completely unlike (The United States of) America in every possible, concievable way. It didn't feel like the US at all and as an American I felt very much like an alien. Completely different culture, different language (most of them don't speak English and nothing is written in English outside of San Juan, was very hard to get around without an interpreter). Hell they even use the Metric system!
For the cultural reasons alone I say no to PR statehood. They're just too different from us and do not assimilate well (look at certain parts of NYC...)
For what it's worth, I met a few people there who also opposed statehood and were native Puerto Ricans. They wanted independence.
Although on the flip side, they'd probably have better infrastructure if they were a state. The electricity hardly works there most of the time. Spending time there made me glad to be an American and grateful that at least I have running water and electricity.
by Shrillland » Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:48 am
Major-Tom wrote:The South Appalachian Region wrote:I've been to Puerto Rico and it was completely unlike (The United States of) America in every possible, concievable way. It didn't feel like the US at all and as an American I felt very much like an alien. Completely different culture, different language (most of them don't speak English and nothing is written in English outside of San Juan, was very hard to get around without an interpreter). Hell they even use the Metric system!
For the cultural reasons alone I say no to PR statehood. They're just too different from us and do not assimilate well (look at certain parts of NYC...)
For what it's worth, I met a few people there who also opposed statehood and were native Puerto Ricans. They wanted independence.
Although on the flip side, they'd probably have better infrastructure if they were a state. The electricity hardly works there most of the time. Spending time there made me glad to be an American and grateful that at least I have running water and electricity.
Well, you kind of just summed up why they should be a state, then. You're grateful to be an American and to have water and electricity. They are full American citizens as well, but many of them lack a lot of things you and I take for granted (not all, certainly, but there are many dirt poor parts of San Juan and Bayamon).
I'd posit that if they became a state, assimilation would kind of be inevitable. Before I moved away years ago, I lived on the East Coast as well, and the Puerto Ricans I knew seemed to be pretty well integrated. They had their cultural traditions and heritage but still spoke great English. Isn't that all we should be asking for? Why not let them keep their cultural heritage?
by Major-Tom » Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:53 am
Shrillland wrote:Major-Tom wrote:
Well, you kind of just summed up why they should be a state, then. You're grateful to be an American and to have water and electricity. They are full American citizens as well, but many of them lack a lot of things you and I take for granted (not all, certainly, but there are many dirt poor parts of San Juan and Bayamon).
I'd posit that if they became a state, assimilation would kind of be inevitable. Before I moved away years ago, I lived on the East Coast as well, and the Puerto Ricans I knew seemed to be pretty well integrated. They had their cultural traditions and heritage but still spoke great English. Isn't that all we should be asking for? Why not let them keep their cultural heritage?
Moreover, I don't think we need to force them to speak English. We have plenty of other Spanish-speakers already, we should take the opportunity of PR statehood to become a properly bilingual nation.
by Garkland » Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:14 am
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Cetacea wrote:So behind all the Presidential drama of Trump v Biden another vote took place recently and 52.3% of Puerto RIcans voted in favour of asking to change the island’s status from unincorporated territory to U.S. State.
This is the sixth time the PR statehood referendum has occurred, the past two votes being in favour and the 2012 vote being uncertain.
While Puerto Ricans based in America tend to vote Democrat, those on the Island are a lot more conservative and the current representative in Congress is a Republican.
The main Political Parties on the Island are essentially the Pro-Statehood New Progressives, the Pro-Status quo Popular Democrats and a third Pro-Independence party. Notably the Progressives lost support in the recent elections if thats relevant.
But only Congress can admit States to the Union, so the question is should Puerto Rico be admitted as the 51st State of the USA?
I strongly disagree with Puerto Rico becoming a US State. I think Puerto Rico can be an independent nation and belong to all the Hispanic and Latin American economic unions of nations there are. GMS.
The same goes for my native Cuba under a capitalist economy with multi political parties. The same goes for Hispanic and Latin American nations.
I have Cuban and Puerto Rican Friends in Puerto Rico and I have visited Puerto Rico 3 times.
GMS.
by Rusozak » Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:24 am
by Arisyan » Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:27 am
by The Archregimancy » Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:37 am
by Dominioan » Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:40 am
by Atheris » Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:43 pm
by Borderlands of Rojava » Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:56 pm
by No State Here » Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:57 pm
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Would Puerto Rico be the first majority Spanish speaking state? I think it would.
by Insaanistan » Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:57 pm
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Would Puerto Rico be the first majority Spanish speaking state? I think it would.
by Atheris » Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:59 pm
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Would Puerto Rico be the first majority Spanish speaking state? I think it would.
by Old Tyrannia » Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:41 pm
by Atheris » Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:42 pm
Old Tyrannia wrote:Puerto Rico should be returned to the Spanish Crown. Given the unlikelihood of that, however, statehood seems like a fair demand.
by Rio Cana » Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:49 pm
Garkland wrote:Greater Miami Shores wrote:I strongly disagree with Puerto Rico becoming a US State. I think Puerto Rico can be an independent nation and belong to all the Hispanic and Latin American economic unions of nations there are. GMS.
The same goes for my native Cuba under a capitalist economy with multi political parties. The same goes for Hispanic and Latin American nations.
I have Cuban and Puerto Rican Friends in Puerto Rico and I have visited Puerto Rico 3 times.
GMS.
PR would never be able to exist and sustain itself as a independent nation. America has abused Puerto Rico and it's citizens, plundered it's people, and drained it's money. I mean America bombed Puerto Rico, so how bad can the mistreatment get? Before the U.S took over, I think PR would have been better off as a independent nation, although with the US screwing things up Statehood would be better now.
by The Huskar Social Union » Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:51 pm
by Garkland » Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:53 pm
Rio Cana wrote:Garkland wrote:
PR would never be able to exist and sustain itself as a independent nation. America has abused Puerto Rico and it's citizens, plundered it's people, and drained it's money. I mean America bombed Puerto Rico, so how bad can the mistreatment get? Before the U.S took over, I think PR would have been better off as a independent nation, although with the US screwing things up Statehood would be better now.
If the US did not get anything out of PR. you know that PR. would have been cut loose a long time ago. What the US pours into PR. they get back many times over. If it was just the US pouring money into PR. and not getting much back then you know PR. would have been cut loose a long time ago. That means they can survive if they should decide to became an independent Republic. Think the formula that the people in PR. and US would more likely support is a compact of free association with the US.
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