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Postby Salus Maior » Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:10 pm

Rusozak wrote:I don't know why people are so giddy about the idea of an unstable Russia embroiled in political turmoil. I like to know who has control of all of those nukes, and at least Putin is stable and smart enough not to use them.


Well, a good few Soviet nukes are unaccounted for since the USSR fell apart. So have a good time sleeping with that knowledge.

But yeah, I'd rather Russia not collapse in on itself again. 1917 and the 1990's were bad times.
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Postby The Marlborough » Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:11 pm

I really don't know why so many Westerners have this love for Navalny. He has cheered on campaigns to end federal subsidies to the Caucasus republics (literally called Stop Feeding the Caucasus), is in favor of pro-Russian secessionist movements in various former Soviet states, has said he wont hand Crimea back to Ukraine and has even stated that the long term goal of Russian foreign policy should be to annex Belarus and Ukraine. Further iirc he defended a bunch of riots by Russian ethnonats because a murder was blamed on a migrant. This man isn't some lofty Western liberal, he's just part of the Russian nationalist community that hates Putin because they don't think Putin is nationalist enough.
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Postby The New California Republic » Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:16 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Rusozak wrote:I don't know why people are so giddy about the idea of an unstable Russia embroiled in political turmoil. I like to know who has control of all of those nukes, and at least Putin is stable and smart enough not to use them.


Well, a good few Soviet nukes are unaccounted for since the USSR fell apart. So have a good time sleeping with that knowledge.

If you are referring to the claims by Lebed, then sorry but those claims have never been substantiated.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:18 pm

Release Alexei Navalny. I side with the protesters.

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Postby Salus Maior » Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:19 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Well, a good few Soviet nukes are unaccounted for since the USSR fell apart. So have a good time sleeping with that knowledge.

If you are referring to the claims by Lebed, then sorry but those claims have never been substantiated.


Why be sorry? I'd certainly prefer all nukes be accounted for.
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Postby Salus Maior » Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:19 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Release Alexei Navalny. I side with the protesters.


Do you even know what Navalny's platform is?
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Postby The New California Republic » Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:21 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:If you are referring to the claims by Lebed, then sorry but those claims have never been substantiated.


Why be sorry? I'd certainly prefer all nukes be accounted for.

More saying sorry that something you are presenting as fact actually isn't fact, rather than it intended to be commenting on the subject matter itself.
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Postby Salus Maior » Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:26 pm

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Why be sorry? I'd certainly prefer all nukes be accounted for.

More saying sorry that something you are presenting as fact actually isn't fact, rather than it intended to be commenting on the subject matter itself.


Eh, don't be sorry for that either. I'd rather be wrong in that case.
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Postby Sky Reavers » Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:34 pm

If ya' ask me, Navalny ain't a major player in this game of chess and intrigues. He is more of a popular figurehead. But I also agree, that ol' Putin is sittin' in his fancy chair far too long. Not that long rulin' leaders are bad or something, but all that corruption and authoritarianism... And church... I'll prefere protestors.

What? I gotta admit, I don't support either side. I am center-left libertarian after all.

Wonder, how this affair will end and what will change for Ukraine, where I live?
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Postby The New California Republic » Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:49 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:More saying sorry that something you are presenting as fact actually isn't fact, rather than it intended to be commenting on the subject matter itself.


Eh, don't be sorry for that either. I'd rather be wrong in that case.

And hypothetically if Lebed was actually right, then the 30-year time interval between then and now has eliminated the threat, mainly because it's highly unlikely that they have had the required specialist maintenance during that time. The modulated neutron initiator used by the devices is likely to be Tritium-based, which need to be swapped out during maintenance about every ten years because the half-life of Tritium is a little over ten years. Trying to detonate a device whose modulated neutron initiator has decayed would result in nothing happening. The biggest danger from such devices would instead be the weapons-grade fissile material in them, which could be used in a dirty bomb.



But yeah, those protests are probably not going to come to anything.
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Postby Punished UMN » Sat Jan 23, 2021 3:22 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
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Eh, don't be sorry for that either. I'd rather be wrong in that case.

And hypothetically if Lebed was actually right, then the 30-year time interval between then and now has eliminated the threat, mainly because it's highly unlikely that they have had the required specialist maintenance during that time. The modulated neutron initiator used by the devices is likely to be Tritium-based, which need to be swapped out during maintenance about every ten years because the half-life of Tritium is a little over ten years. Trying to detonate a device whose modulated neutron initiator has decayed would result in nothing happening. The biggest danger from such devices would instead be the weapons-grade fissile material in them, which could be used in a dirty bomb.



But yeah, those protests are probably not going to come to anything.

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Postby Alaska Hawaii and the Aleutes » Sat Jan 23, 2021 3:26 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Release Alexei Navalny. I side with the protesters.

Small side note for you: Majority(in Russia) is against Navalny. He isn't a western liberal or whatever angel you're imagining.
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Postby Parxland » Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:15 pm

The Marlborough wrote:I really don't know why so many Westerners have this love for Navalny. He has cheered on campaigns to end federal subsidies to the Caucasus republics (literally called Stop Feeding the Caucasus), is in favor of pro-Russian secessionist movements in various former Soviet states, has said he wont hand Crimea back to Ukraine and has even stated that the long term goal of Russian foreign policy should be to annex Belarus and Ukraine. Further iirc he defended a bunch of riots by Russian ethnonats because a murder was blamed on a migrant. This man isn't some lofty Western liberal, he's just part of the Russian nationalist community that hates Putin because they don't think Putin is nationalist enough.


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Postby Arisyan » Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:18 pm

Should he be released? Yes. Do I support his politics? No. Is that a basis for him getting arrested? Absolutely not. Whilst I don't agree with him on many issues he should not be in jail.
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they better be blasting pussy riot while they march to the kremlin.
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Postby Albrenia » Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:19 pm

Personally I think Navalny is going to have a mysterious and fatal accident a few months after he gets released, so being released may not be in his best interest.

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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:26 pm

The Marlborough wrote:I really don't know why so many Westerners have this love for Navalny. He has cheered on campaigns to end federal subsidies to the Caucasus republics (literally called Stop Feeding the Caucasus), is in favor of pro-Russian secessionist movements in various former Soviet states, has said he wont hand Crimea back to Ukraine and has even stated that the long term goal of Russian foreign policy should be to annex Belarus and Ukraine. Further iirc he defended a bunch of riots by Russian ethnonats because a murder was blamed on a migrant. This man isn't some lofty Western liberal, he's just part of the Russian nationalist community that hates Putin because they don't think Putin is nationalist enough.

Abkhaz, South Ossetia, and Transnistria are all culturally Russian, there’s nothing wrong with supporting their annexation into Russia
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Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:
The Marlborough wrote:I really don't know why so many Westerners have this love for Navalny. He has cheered on campaigns to end federal subsidies to the Caucasus republics (literally called Stop Feeding the Caucasus), is in favor of pro-Russian secessionist movements in various former Soviet states, has said he wont hand Crimea back to Ukraine and has even stated that the long term goal of Russian foreign policy should be to annex Belarus and Ukraine. Further iirc he defended a bunch of riots by Russian ethnonats because a murder was blamed on a migrant. This man isn't some lofty Western liberal, he's just part of the Russian nationalist community that hates Putin because they don't think Putin is nationalist enough.

Abkhaz, South Ossetia, and Transnistria are all culturally Russian, there’s nothing wrong with supporting their annexation into Russia


You can't be serious. None of those places are majority Russian.
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Postby Nevertopia » Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:34 pm

Albrenia wrote:Personally I think Navalny is going to have a mysterious and fatal accident a few months after he gets released, so being released may not be in his best interest.


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Postby The Marlborough » Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:49 pm

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:
The Marlborough wrote:I really don't know why so many Westerners have this love for Navalny. He has cheered on campaigns to end federal subsidies to the Caucasus republics (literally called Stop Feeding the Caucasus), is in favor of pro-Russian secessionist movements in various former Soviet states, has said he wont hand Crimea back to Ukraine and has even stated that the long term goal of Russian foreign policy should be to annex Belarus and Ukraine. Further iirc he defended a bunch of riots by Russian ethnonats because a murder was blamed on a migrant. This man isn't some lofty Western liberal, he's just part of the Russian nationalist community that hates Putin because they don't think Putin is nationalist enough.

Abkhaz, South Ossetia, and Transnistria are all culturally Russian, there’s nothing wrong with supporting their annexation into Russia

The only one that is heavily culturally Russian is Transnistria and that is because 1/3 of it is actually Russian with another 1/4 being Ukrainian. South Ossetia and Abkhazia are not culturally Russian and no actual Russian would claim that because Russians make sure to distinguish themselves from people from the Caucasus all the damn time. Also Abkhazians don't want to be annexed by Russia and are to some extent disgruntled by Russian influence, they just consider it less bad than Georgian control/influence.
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Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:
The Marlborough wrote:I really don't know why so many Westerners have this love for Navalny. He has cheered on campaigns to end federal subsidies to the Caucasus republics (literally called Stop Feeding the Caucasus), is in favor of pro-Russian secessionist movements in various former Soviet states, has said he wont hand Crimea back to Ukraine and has even stated that the long term goal of Russian foreign policy should be to annex Belarus and Ukraine. Further iirc he defended a bunch of riots by Russian ethnonats because a murder was blamed on a migrant. This man isn't some lofty Western liberal, he's just part of the Russian nationalist community that hates Putin because they don't think Putin is nationalist enough.

Abkhaz, South Ossetia, and Transnistria are all culturally Russian, there’s nothing wrong with supporting their annexation into Russia


There is because nationalism is extremely flawed and culture isn't equal to citizenship. Russia has a ton of ethnic minorities but zero interest in giving those culturally distinct minorities their own countries. Because it would be a ridiculous idea.
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RT. has been reporting on tv and internet what has been going on in Russia. So it seems they have nothing to hide.
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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Sat Jan 23, 2021 5:42 pm

Rio Cana wrote:RT. has been reporting on tv and internet what has been going on in Russia. So it seems they have nothing to hide.

It’s the typical Russian routine. Protests happen violently, they get bored after a week or two, and then once global media attention isn’t focused on them, the government makes its moves quietly stamping out dissent
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