The New Glass Ceiling or Due Progress?

[Esalia]

Much better idea: pool everyone together and put them into tiers based on skill, not genitals. Also, trans people are legitimate.

No they're not. And there's no reason to combine sports. The world won't end if boys have their thing and girls have another.

Nor would the world end if we let trans people into the sport of the gender they identify as.

[Postauthoritarian America]

In a true democracy the candidate with more votes wins office. In a true democracy politicans representing less than half of the population which creates a quarter of the national wealth don't get to name a third of the judges to the highest court in the land or enact massive tax cuts to enrich their donors. In a true democracy neither the party that resorts to violence and intimidation to attempt to overturn the result of a free, fair and fraudless election nor its leaders get a mulligan. Need I go on?

Elections. Have. Consequences. For Republicans, too. Get used to it.



Ask all the people I said it to for the last four years when they mentioned they voted for Johnson or Stein or stayed home because they couldn't bring themselves to vote for the most qualified Presidential candidate in my lifetime since she was a woman or they didn't like her attitude or BENGHAAAAZIIIII or BUTTER EEEEEEMAIIIILS!!!!!

Elections. Have. Consequences. Nothing is truer in a true democracy.

Four years as secretary of state and 1.5 terms in the Senate doesn't make someone qualified.

Going bankrupt six times after inheriting money is somehow better?

[The Spook Who Sat By The Door]

Combat sports are going to be off the chain!

I had this crazy idea one day that this could all just be a transient issue.

[The Republic of Fore]

No they're not.

Yes they are.

And there's no reason to combine sports. The world won't end if boys have their thing and girls have another.

And there’s no reason not to combine sports. The world won’t end if boys and girls complete against each other in the same sports.

1. If you're born with a dick you'll never be a girl.
2. And sure there is, boys will have an unfair advantage.

[Auzkhia]

In a true democracy the candidate with more votes wins office. In a true democracy politicans representing less than half of the population which creates a quarter of the national wealth don't get to name a third of the judges to the highest court in the land or enact massive tax cuts to enrich their donors. In a true democracy neither the party that resorts to violence and intimidation to attempt to overturn the result of a free, fair and fraudless election nor its leaders get a mulligan. Need I go on?

Elections. Have. Consequences. For Republicans, too. Get used to it.



Ask all the people I said it to for the last four years when they mentioned they voted for Johnson or Stein or stayed home because they couldn't bring themselves to vote for the most qualified Presidential candidate in my lifetime since she was a woman or they didn't like her attitude or BENGHAAAAZIIIII or BUTTER EEEEEEMAIIIILS!!!!!

Elections. Have. Consequences. Nothing is truer in a true democracy.

Four years as secretary of state and 1.5 terms in the Senate doesn't make someone qualified.

Well we now have someone who was a six term US Senator from 1973-2009 and and a two term Vice President from 2009-2017.

Though I'd prefer the person who was mayor 1981-1989, then a congressman from 1991-2007, and a US senator since 2007.

No they're not. And there's no reason to combine sports. The world won't end if boys have their thing and girls have another.

Nor would the world end if we let trans people into the sport of the gender they identify as.

I reiterate my point about trans people have had that policy in the olympics since 2004 and to my knowledge there hasn't been any openly trans athletes who won a medal.

[Suriyanakhon]

1. If you're born with a dick you'll never be a girl.

What does it mean to be a girl?

[Auzkhia]

1. If you're born with a dick you'll never be a girl.

What does it mean to be a girl?

Having a penis and a pair of tits?

*shrug*

[Joohan]

When Men begin dominating female sports and winning their championships, I imagine the jokes will be hilarious.

[Auzkhia]

When Men begin dominating female sports and winning their championships, I imagine the jokes will be hilarious.

Trans men winning women's sports because their birth certificates originally or used to say female on them is really hilarious.

[Suriyanakhon]

When Men begin dominating female sports and winning their championships, I imagine the jokes will be hilarious.

The Olympics has allowed trans women to compete since 2004, yet “men (...) dominating female sports and winning their championships” hasn't happened at all.

[Vassenor]

When Men begin dominating female sports and winning their championships, I imagine the jokes will be hilarious.

Oh hey, more scaremongering that isn't actually born out by reality. Guess I need to link the study -again-.

Sport and Transgender People: A Systematic Review of the Literature Relating to Sport Participation and Competitive Sport Policies

Results
In relation to sport-related physical activity, this review found the lack of inclusive and comfortable environments to be the primary barrier to participation for transgender people. This review also found transgender people had a mostly negative experience in competitive sports because of the restrictions the sport’s policy placed on them. The majority of transgender competitive sport policies that were reviewed were not evidence based.

Conclusion
Currently, there is no direct or consistent research suggesting transgender female individuals (or male individuals) have an athletic advantage at any stage of their transition (e.g. cross-sex hormones, gender-confirming surgery) and, therefore, competitive sport policies that place restrictions on transgender people need to be considered and potentially revised.

[New Jewlan]

Can't wait to see Mo-na Farrah smash them records; girl power!

[Wink Wonk We Like Stonks]

imagine caring more about sports being "fair" than human rights smh my head

[Names Are Too Hard]

This might be a dumb idea so poke holes all you want, but what if sports were objectively skill based and not based on sex? Like when one goes professional they’re essentially evaluated on a scale and matched with people on the corresponding skill level?

[Des-Bal]

When Men begin dominating female sports and winning their championships, I imagine the jokes will be hilarious.

Oh hey, more scaremongering that isn't actually born out by reality. Guess I need to link the study -again-.

Sport and Transgender People: A Systematic Review of the Literature Relating to Sport Participation and Competitive Sport Policies

Oh hey it's the bad study again, the one with the fucky methodology that concludes since transgender men are allowed to compete RV allowed to compete all decisions should be arbitrary. It's weird because the only issue people seem to care about is how transgender women stack up to cisgender women and they made no attempt to analyze that.

What happens when you actually investigate the one thing people are talking about?

www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1252764

Oh it turns out that the olympic rules are arbitrary and transgender athletes have an advantage over cisgender women.

[Des-Bal]

This might be a dumb idea so poke holes all you want, but what if sports were objectively skill based and not based on sex? Like when one goes professional they’re essentially evaluated on a scale and matched with people on the corresponding skill level?

At what level do we have a cutoff for "professional?" Below a certain level what kind of resources are we putting towards people who aren't even close to the best? I think it's a valid approach but it will almost certainly mean the end of women's professional sports.

[Kowani]

Oh hey, more scaremongering that isn't actually born out by reality. Guess I need to link the study -again-.

Sport and Transgender People: A Systematic Review of the Literature Relating to Sport Participation and Competitive Sport Policies

Oh hey it's the bad study again, the one with the fucky methodology that concludes since transgender men are allowed to compete RV allowed to compete all decisions should be arbitrary. It's weird because the only issue people seem to care about is how transgender women stack up to cisgender women and they made no attempt to analyze that.

What happens when you actually investigate the one thing people are talking about?

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1252764

Oh it turns out that the olympic rules are arbitrary and transgender athletes have an advantage over cisgender women.

I mean
just from a cursory overview of the study they're citing, the advantage seems to lessen (and in certain areas) disappear over time
so, we do as the study's authors suggest and lengthen the waiting time for olympic level competition after transitioning

[Vassenor]

Oh hey, more scaremongering that isn't actually born out by reality. Guess I need to link the study -again-.

Sport and Transgender People: A Systematic Review of the Literature Relating to Sport Participation and Competitive Sport Policies

Oh hey it's the bad study again, the one with the fucky methodology that concludes since transgender men are allowed to compete RV allowed to compete all decisions should be arbitrary. It's weird because the only issue people seem to care about is how transgender women stack up to cisgender women and they made no attempt to analyze that.

What happens when you actually investigate the one thing people are talking about?

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1252764

Oh it turns out that the olympic rules are arbitrary and transgender athletes have an advantage over cisgender women.

And when you read the rest of the article you find out that said study has its own methodological problems.

In 2015, she published the first study of transgender women and athletic performance and found that trans women ran at least 10 percent slower after beginning hormones. And, relatively speaking, they did no better against cisgender female runners than they had previously done against cisgender men.

Harper said Roberts’ methodology is solid, but she sees some limitations in the study. In an assessment shared with NBC News, she questioned the lack of data on participants’ individual training habits. She also noted there was no coordination between when subjects started hormones and when they took their annual fitness test.

“The tests were placed into three bins,” Harper said. “One bin of tests that took place in the first year after the start of hormone therapy, one bin of tests that took place between one to two years of hormone therapy, and a third bin that took place between two and two and a half years after the initiation of hormone therapy.”

Lumping the data together could blur out changes that occurred within a 12-month period “and might distort the results notably,” she theorized.

The fact that the trans women were still faster after two years could be due to differences in training intensity, she speculated. But the pushup and situp tests involve muscular strength, technique, muscular endurance and cardiovascular endurance, and “are probably good proxies for success in many team sports.”

And also states that it also confers no advantage.

He also underscored the data he compiled was on adults: The average age of the airmen he studied was 26. A transgender woman who transitions before or at puberty, “doesn't really have any advantage” when it comes to athletic performance, he said. “So that young lady should be allowed to compete with all the other people who are born women.”

[...]

Harper, who was a consultant on the IOC’s current recommendations, said the real takeaway from Roberts’ study is that transgender women ultimately do reach parity with cis women in athletic tasks. She, however, doesn’t think Roberts’ findings mean sporting organizations need to require two years of testosterone suppression before trans women can compete against cisgender women.

[Des-Bal]

I mean
just from a cursory overview of the study they're citing, the advantage seems to lessen (and in certain areas) disappear over time
so, we do as the study's authors suggest and lengthen the waiting time for olympic level competition after transitioning

Of course they do, nobody's said testosterone is a placebo. When we see some more studies I wouldn't mind learning where the point the IOC was looking for actually is. As long as we're insisting there is no issue though I don't think there's room for an actual discussion.

[Munkcestrian RepubIic]

This only makes me even prouder to have endorsed Biden back in August.