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Postby Wapistan » Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:19 am

I mean windows XP and even 2000 is still supported in some cases because they are used in government services. I like this idea, because people like windows 7 more than 10, however, Microsoft isn't a charity, so there is no chance that Win7 will become open-source.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:38 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Because it is bloated with things that I don't want that fill up my hard drive, using up my bandwidth constantly updating themselves, yet can't remove.

You can remove them.

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Edge is shit.

Is it? It's built on Chrome now. I use Edge for work and it's not that bad.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:49 am

The New California Republic wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Because it is bloated with things that I don't want that fill up my hard drive, using up my bandwidth constantly updating themselves, yet can't remove.

You can remove them.


You can remove some of them. In my experience they have a tendency to reappear.

All the Xbox stuff for example. I don't play games, I don't want it, I don't want it constantly trying to stream god knows what. I remove it with powershell and it comes back at the next major update.

Edge should not be bundled, it should not be an essential part of the OS. None of this shit, Cortana whatever, should be so embedded in the operating system's fucked up compartmentalisation that it can't be removed and replaced with an app of my choice.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:52 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:You can remove them.


You can remove some of them. In my experience they have a tendency to reappear.

All the Xbox stuff for example. I don't play games, I don't want it, I don't want it constantly trying to stream god knows what. I remove it with powershell and it comes back at the next major update.

Edge should not be bundled, it should not be an essential part of the OS. None of this shit, Cortana whatever, should be so embedded in the operating system's fucked up compartmentalisation that it can't be removed and replaced with an app of my choice.


Yea that’s a crappy installer. Microsoft is known for that. That’s why we had images and cleaned them after a major upgrade.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:52 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:You can remove them.


You can remove some of them. In my experience they have a tendency to reappear.

All the Xbox stuff for example. I don't play games, I don't want it, I don't want it constantly trying to stream god knows what. I remove it with powershell and it comes back at the next major update.

There is a fix for that too.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:04 am

I'm going to stop talking about Windows 10 because even just talking about it makes me angry.
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Postby Esternial » Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:12 am

The New California Republic wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
You can remove some of them. In my experience they have a tendency to reappear.

All the Xbox stuff for example. I don't play games, I don't want it, I don't want it constantly trying to stream god knows what. I remove it with powershell and it comes back at the next major update.

There is a fix for that too.

If you're really OCD about your setup, yes.

The only setups I want to know exactly what is running on it and want to get rid of anything I don't need are the UNIX servers my team maintains. As long as I can run Steam, VirtualBox and Anaconda, I don't care what else my Windows OS has installed and I just ignore any of its please or attempts to "make my life easier".

Before anyone tries to argue a case of having a clean environment everywhere, my Gmail unread mail counter is currently on 6773. I'm a lost cause.

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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:19 am

Esternial wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:There is a fix for that too.

If you're really OCD about your setup, yes.

The only setups I want to know exactly what is running on it and want to get rid of anything I don't need are the UNIX servers my team maintains. As long as I can run Steam, VirtualBox and Anaconda, I don't care what else my Windows OS has installed and I just ignore any of its please or attempts to "make my life easier".

Before anyone tries to argue a case of having a clean environment everywhere, my Gmail unread mail counter is currently on 6773. I'm a lost cause.

I'm in the Windows Insider Program that tests the alpha builds of Windows 10, so I need to be persnickety about my setup.
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White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
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Postby The Holy Therns » Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:33 am

The New California Republic wrote:persnickety


Nice word. I need to remember it.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:44 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Esternial wrote:If you're really OCD about your setup, yes.

The only setups I want to know exactly what is running on it and want to get rid of anything I don't need are the UNIX servers my team maintains. As long as I can run Steam, VirtualBox and Anaconda, I don't care what else my Windows OS has installed and I just ignore any of its please or attempts to "make my life easier".

Before anyone tries to argue a case of having a clean environment everywhere, my Gmail unread mail counter is currently on 6773. I'm a lost cause.

I'm in the Windows Insider Program that tests the alpha builds of Windows 10, so I need to be persnickety about my setup.

What motivated you to become an alpha tester?
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:57 am

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:I'm in the Windows Insider Program that tests the alpha builds of Windows 10, so I need to be persnickety about my setup.

What motivated you to become an alpha tester?

I like seeing all the new features before release, even if they are rough round the edges. For example the DNS over HTTPS feature was rolled out to the preview builds long before implementation into release builds. Plus it's good to fix stuff. I've seen a hell of a lot of bugs exposed in the testing of the preview builds so they didn't sneak into the release builds.
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The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the total victory over Caesar's Legion, and the annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.

White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:13 am

The New California Republic wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:What motivated you to become an alpha tester?

I like seeing all the new features before release, even if they are rough round the edges. For example the DNS over HTTPS feature was rolled out to the preview builds long before implementation into release builds. Plus it's good to fix stuff. I've seen a hell of a lot of bugs exposed in the testing of the preview builds so they didn't sneak into the release builds.


Tell them to put telnet and an ssh client back into the stupid thing.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:21 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:I like seeing all the new features before release, even if they are rough round the edges. For example the DNS over HTTPS feature was rolled out to the preview builds long before implementation into release builds. Plus it's good to fix stuff. I've seen a hell of a lot of bugs exposed in the testing of the preview builds so they didn't sneak into the release builds.


Tell them to put telnet and an ssh client back into the stupid thing.


Telnet? Old man. That’s a security hole.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:56 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
Tell them to put telnet and an ssh client back into the stupid thing.


Telnet? Old man. That’s a security hole.


30 year old PLC's don't support ssh.
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Postby Page » Thu Jan 21, 2021 12:22 pm

Microsoft should comply. Additionally, they should give up Windows 8 to be an OS that bad people are punished with by being forced to use.
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Didn’t that die when the creator died?

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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:54 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:What motivated you to become an alpha tester?

I like seeing all the new features before release, even if they are rough round the edges. For example the DNS over HTTPS feature was rolled out to the preview builds long before implementation into release builds. Plus it's good to fix stuff. I've seen a hell of a lot of bugs exposed in the testing of the preview builds so they didn't sneak into the release builds.

I would have also joined, but I don't want Microsoft spying on me even more than it already does.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:58 am

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:I like seeing all the new features before release, even if they are rough round the edges. For example the DNS over HTTPS feature was rolled out to the preview builds long before implementation into release builds. Plus it's good to fix stuff. I've seen a hell of a lot of bugs exposed in the testing of the preview builds so they didn't sneak into the release builds.

I would have also joined, but I don't want Microsoft spying on me even more than it already does.


My computer came with a 5G chip :)

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Postby Tornado Queendom » Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:11 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:Not gonna happen.

In terms of OSes, Microsoft Windows has a very strong selling point of backwards compatibility. Windows 7, Windows 10, yes, even Vista, has a very strong feature in being able to run programs that were designed to run on older versions of Windows. It's why they skipped Windows 9, because many a program checked if it was running on "windows 9*" with the * being 5 or 8 (windows 95 or windows 98).

By releasing pretty much all relevant backwards compatibility code, they'd lose a key selling point of Windows.

They're not gonna do that.

Even if backwards compatibility were removed, it would compete with Windows 10. That enough makes this a pipe dream. They also hated windows 7 when it came out ironically enough, making this demand even dumber.

There's always open sourcing Windows 95
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:34 pm

Tornado Queendom wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Even if backwards compatibility were removed, it would compete with Windows 10. That enough makes this a pipe dream. They also hated windows 7 when it came out ironically enough, making this demand even dumber.

There's always open sourcing Windows 95

That's still unlikely and even if it wasn't, it would probably be too outdated to work with.
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Postby Tornado Queendom » Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:18 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Tornado Queendom wrote:There's always open sourcing Windows 95

That's still unlikely and even if it wasn't, it would probably be too outdated to work with.

Microsoft has open sourced multiple projects of theirs. If not Windows, then maybe DOS.
As for the Outdated thing, maybe someone can get it to work with FreeDOS or Linux, or get some modern Windows apps working on it. It's not gonna seriously compete with Windows 10, so why not?
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Postby Eahland » Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:18 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Telnet? Old man. That’s a security hole.


30 year old PLC's don't support ssh.

And it's sometimes useful to be able to telnet to port 25 or 80 and talk SMTP or HTTP directly to the server.
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