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Do you think the book is flawed and biased?

No, it is based on solid research and principles.
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8%
Yes, it is flawed and the entirety of the book and it's research is loaded and biased.
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44%
There are things that I agree and do not agree with regarding the book and it's research.
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24%
I can't really say...
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Total votes : 59

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Kowani
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:21 pm

Fahran wrote:
Kowani wrote:no
bad 'ran

I'm simply speaking truth to power. :^)

since when am I power
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Postby Fahran » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:23 pm

Kowani wrote:since when am I power

You perpetuate the patriarchy by existing. :p

That's right. Real radfem hours. Who's up?

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Kowani
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:29 pm

Fahran wrote:
Kowani wrote:since when am I power

You perpetuate the patriarchy by existing. :p

That's right. Real radfem hours. Who's up?

oh, wow
were bad ideas on sale? :p
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Nekostan-e Gharbi
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:32 pm

Disgraces wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Nope. I’m definitely not someone leftists accept as leftist lol.

It is very unfortunate that non-authoritarians have to live with and are constantly endangered by authoritarians who do not leave others alone.

I don't care whether you are left wing or not; authoritarianism is inherently right wing.
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:Yup. Communism, Nazism and authoritarianism in general suck. All flavors of poison are poisonous.

Communism is fucking anarchist, how the Hell can it be authoritarian?


Well, we can’t let terms be freely redefined. For example you don’t get to declare that authorities you don’t like don’t actually exist and hence rule by Stalin was anarchy.
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:33 pm

Orostan wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Yup. Communism, Nazism and authoritarianism in general suck. All flavors of poison are poisonous.

"authoritarianism is things i don't like, the more i don't like them the more authoritarian they are."

All forms of capitalism are authoritarianism, and so are all forms of socialism. It just matters who the authority is used against and who it's used by.
Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:Well now the left theorists will make 5 paragraph long posts that usually aren’t worth reading beyond the first few sentences

>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DON'T MAKE ME READ!


Lol what? Does Bill Gates force you to bow down before him? No. So he is no authority.
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Postby Disgraces » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:34 pm

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Disgraces wrote:I don't care whether you are left wing or not; authoritarianism is inherently right wing.

Communism is fucking anarchist, how the Hell can it be authoritarian?


Well, we can’t let terms be freely redefined. For example you don’t get to declare that authorities you don’t like don’t actually exist and hence rule by Stalin was anarchy.

The USSR was very far from communism
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:41 pm

Fahran wrote:
Kowani wrote:since when am I power

You perpetuate the patriarchy by existing. :p

That's right. Real radfem hours. Who's up?


My cat is. She is both a redfem and a redfel (radical felinist).
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:43 pm

Disgraces wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Well, we can’t let terms be freely redefined. For example you don’t get to declare that authorities you don’t like don’t actually exist and hence rule by Stalin was anarchy.

The USSR was very far from communism


Your unusual definition of it. Well, sure. But that’s not what most people mean by “communism”. Guess what? Your definition of communism isn’t a dirty word since it is far from what most people mean by communism.
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Postby Disgraces » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:44 pm

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Disgraces wrote:The USSR was very far from communism


Your unusual definition of it. Well, sure. But that’s not what most people mean by “communism”. Guess what? Your definition of communism isn’t a dirty word since it is far from what most people mean by communism.

Then most people are ignorant.
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:45 pm

I can define Nazism as an abbreviation of Non-AZeri Islamism. That does not make it the reasonable usage of the word “Nazism”.
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Current Queen: Sarah IV (House of Moshel)
Current Prime Minister: Dr. Elisheva Cohen (she is fine with Elizabeth for non-Hebrew speakers) from Likud
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Abolish China and save lives.
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Must read on China by David Goldman https://www.tabletmag.com/amp/sections/ ... ina-empire

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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Maroza » Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:35 pm

3.1 Disciplined but tolerant; a true American

Destructiveness and Cynicism: 4

Well not bad i guess but why do I feel like this test is scientifically questionable?
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New York Times Democracy

Postby Neutraligon » Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:47 am

I looked at the questions for the first link...why did it include questions with multiple "parts"? One of them asked about what I thought about x,y,and z and I was sitting there thinking that I do not have one unified opinion on all 3.
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Postby Kubra » Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:48 am

Maroza wrote:3.1 Disciplined but tolerant; a true American

Destructiveness and Cynicism: 4

Well not bad i guess but why do I feel like this test is scientifically questionable?
Because it is.
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Postby Joohan » Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:45 am

Disgraces wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Well, we can’t let terms be freely redefined. For example you don’t get to declare that authorities you don’t like don’t actually exist and hence rule by Stalin was anarchy.

The USSR was very far from communism


And you know, fascism is just the government being the personification of the nation. I guess when Hitler demanded that Germany continue fighting on into 1945, despite the wishes of his nation, that was the moment Germany stopped being fascist? :(

It's almost like ideologies have to change once they leave the paper and meet real world hurdles...
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Postby Esheaun Stroakuss » Thu Jan 21, 2021 8:35 am

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Postby Northern Socialist Council Republics » Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:03 am

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Ugh.

I hate these "Agree-Disagree" slide tests. Those kind of answers are too vague for the complex questions these questionnaires always ask.

For most of these pop-culture surveys on ideology and politics, I usually find that what they are really surveying is attitude and (metaphorically) tribal affiliation, not people's actual policy positions or political beliefs. From that perspective, it's probably better to just answer instinctively, giving yourself maybe five seconds per question and not thinking about it too much.



Not going to post my results in full here, but anyone who knows me should be able to roughly what I got on the first test. 3.50 on Destructiveness and Cynicism was my highest subcategory.
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Postby Zul-ar » Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:04 am

Your Overall F Score is: 2.47
You are a liberal airhead.

Scores for Personality Variables:
Conventionalism: 1.50
Authoritarian Submission: 2.00
Authoritarian Aggression: 1.63
Anti-intraception: 2.75
Superstition and Stereotypy: 1.83
Power and "Toughness": 2.50
Destructiveness and Cynicism: 5.00
Projectivity: 3.80
Sex: 2.67

Huh. I was expecting lower, honestly. Guess I surprise myself.
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Postby Zul-ar » Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:07 am

Northern Socialist Council Republics wrote:Not going to post my results in full here, but anyone who knows me should be able to roughly what I got on the first test. 3.50 on Destructiveness and Cynicism was my highest subcategory.

Consider yourself beat by my 5.00
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Postby Nuroblav » Thu Jan 21, 2021 12:38 pm

Nuroblav wrote:Even for a test that is somewhat biased anyway, I think my score is fairly accurate:

1.37 - whining rotter :p

Almost everything was in that range, the highest one being 2.

For anyone wondering about the specifics:

Conventionalism: 1.25
Authoritarian Submission: 2.00
Authoritarian Aggression: 1.25
Anti-intraception: 1.50
Superstition and Stereotypy: 1.17
Power and "Toughness": 1.13
Destructiveness and Cynicism: 1.00
Projectivity: 1.00
Sex: 1.00

Again, fairly accurate for me.

To give my opinion on the ideas themselves, I mostly agree except for the homosexuality part, which doesn't seem particularly truthful to me.
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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Thu Jan 21, 2021 12:41 pm

Zul-ar wrote:
Northern Socialist Council Republics wrote:Not going to post my results in full here, but anyone who knows me should be able to roughly what I got on the first test. 3.50 on Destructiveness and Cynicism was my highest subcategory.

Consider yourself beat by my 5.00

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Postby Labbos » Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:05 pm

Disgraces wrote:I don't care whether you are left wing or not; authoritarianism is inherently right wing.


I'll bite: what were societies such as the USSR to your mind? Not really left wing or not really authoritarian? Maybe neither? And what do you base that on?


Anyway, my answer from A:

You are disciplined but tolerant; a true American


Most of that's probably about right, though I'm surprised to learn that I'm American.

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Postby United Latin American States » Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:33 pm

Your Overall F Score is: 3.90
You are disciplined but tolerant; a true American.

Scores for Personality Variables:
Conventionalism: 3.75
Authoritarian Submission: 4.00
Authoritarian Aggression: 4.00
Anti-intraception: 2.75
Superstition and Stereotypy: 1.50
Power and "Toughness": 3.88
Destructiveness and Cynicism: 5.00
Projectivity: 5.00
Sex: 4.33
Economic Left/Right: -8.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.15

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Postby ImperialRussia » Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:42 pm

I wanna know what rating I’m curious

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:20 pm

Your Overall F Score is: 4.10
You are disciplined but tolerant; a true American.

Scores for Personality Variables:Conventionalism: 4.50
Authoritarian Submission: 3.57
Authoritarian Aggression: 4.13
Anti-intraception: 4.50
Superstition and Stereotypy: 3.50
Power and "Toughness": 4.38
Destructiveness and Cynicism: 5.00
Projectivity: 4.40
Sex: 3.00

That question about using prewar authorities to keep order in postwar Germany feels like a trap, like they want to brand you a fascist for wanting to keep the people who already know how to run the country in their jobs as a matter of practicality.
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Postby Nejii » Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:26 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:Your Overall F Score is: 4.10
You are disciplined but tolerant; a true American.

Scores for Personality Variables:Conventionalism: 4.50
Authoritarian Submission: 3.57
Authoritarian Aggression: 4.13
Anti-intraception: 4.50
Superstition and Stereotypy: 3.50
Power and "Toughness": 4.38
Destructiveness and Cynicism: 5.00
Projectivity: 4.40
Sex: 3.00

That question about using prewar authorities to keep order in postwar Germany feels like a trap, like they want to brand you a fascist for wanting to keep the people who already know how to run the country in their jobs as a matter of practicality.


Rings very familiarly doesn’t it... ?
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