Christian Girl Rescued After Rape & Forced Marriage

[Aeritai]

There are religions against modern medicine?[/quote

Ever heard of the Anti-Vax movement? Some of them tend to be religious.

Well, to be fair, I don’t consider Klan members religious, even though they firmly believe in Christianity.

Good point

[Cetacea]

...No.

In the Christian tradition, it's typical that they'd be confirmed by then.

That's creepy. Seriously, child abuse creepy. But you do your tradition I guess.

Generally by 12 a childs cognitive development is developed enough to understand abstract concepts like God and Salvation

[Suriyanakhon]

There are religions against modern medicine?[/quote

Ever heard of the Anti-Vax movement? Some of them tend to be religious.

Well, to be fair, I don’t consider Klan members religious, even though they firmly believe in Christianity.

I would consider them religious, just very much in conflict with their actual religion.

[Insaanistan]

Well, to be fair, I don’t consider Klan members religious, even though they firmly believe in Christianity.

I would consider them religious, just very much in conflict with their actual religion.

Ehhh.
Tomato tomato, in a way.

[Lost Memories]

I'm not sure about the "islamist" disassociation reasoning.

It makes sense on the descriptive level, islam has some rules, some people claim to be islamic and don't follow those rules.
But when said group of people who don't follow the islamic norm, has "significant following", isn't that a big issue for all islam?

The other cases of aggression on non-muslim minorities in pakistan, featured much more than single individual crimes, up to mobs setting people on fire, or hundreds of people protesting in the streets against people jailed for the blasphemy laws (which not rarely turn out to be false accusations)

My simpathy goes to the authorities in pakistan who actually try to moderate the most violent impulses of their citizens (when they do try)
It must be very hard to be a policeman, judge, mayor, in pakistan.

What is the future for non-Muslims in Pakistan? What can and should Imran Khan do about their oppression?

The non-muslims in pakistan may continue to get abused and sometimes killed, until someone will step in to protect them.
Because it seems unlikely for them to manage to defend themselves. They are a minority afterall.

For what a politician could do, a start would be to tackle the national laws which get most often abused by the angry mobs to punish the non-muslims, like doing something about the blasphemy law, to avoid it getting abused as much. (or just remove it, if he manages to get the support for that)
Once the abusable laws are fixed, the focus should go to the "islamists" who harm other citizens unlawfully. And treat them as the criminals which they are.
If the islamists, are recognized as a problem by other muslims, then the muslims should not give the islamists excuses to cover their violence.

[Insaanistan]

I'm not sure about the "islamist" disassociation reasoning.

It makes sense on the descriptive level, islam has some rules, some people claim to be islamic and don't follow those rules.
But when said group of people who don't follow the islamic norm, has "significant following", isn't that a big issue for all islam?

The other cases of aggression on non-muslim minorities in pakistan, featured much more than single individual crimes, up to mobs setting people on fire, or hundreds of people protesting in the streets against people jailed for the blasphemy laws (which not rarely turn out to be false accusations)

My simpathy goes to the authorities in pakistan who actually try to moderate the most violent impulses of their citizens (when they do try)
It must be very hard to be a policeman, judge, mayor, in pakistan.

What is the future for non-Muslims in Pakistan? What can and should Imran Khan do about their oppression?

The non-muslims in pakistan may continue to get abused and sometimes killed, so long someone will step in to protect them.
Because it seems unlikely for them to manage to defend themselves. They are a minority afterall.

For what a politician could do, a start would be to tackle the national laws which get most often abused by the angry mobs to punish the non-muslims, like doing something about the blasphemy law, to avoid it getting abused as much. (or just remove it, if he manages to get the support for that)
Once the abusable laws are fixed, the focus should go to the "islamists" who harm other citizens unlawfully. And treat them as the criminals which they are.
If the islamists, are recognized as a problem by other muslims, then the muslims should not give the islamists excuses to cover their violence.

It is a big issue, especially since said people target Muslims the most.
Additionally, knowingly falsely accusing someone of any crime in Islam is as bad as the act itself. Also, killing someone for leaving Islam is also a no-no. Fully on board with ending apostasy and blasphemy laws.

[Insaanistan]

I don’t know who brought is up, but in relation to forced conversions to Islam in Pakistan, while I don’t doubt that a majority of those were in fact forced, many conversions to Islam by Pakistani women (and Indian women, too), are genuine, but the families have a hard time accepting that idea.

[Ethel mermania]

Quite a lot, religion is what lets people get away with child rape. In America when the feds raided the YFZ ranch, most of the men with child brides weren't even prosecuted, they only went after the leader. And it was known that these people had child brides for quite awhile.

If an adult rapes a child for non-religious reasons, he's in handcuffs in a nanosecond. Whether it's America or Pakistan, religious people get extra slack to abuse children. If a parent sends their kid to be tortured because they're mad the kid didn't clean their room, they go to jail instantly. But if they do it because their kid is gay and their God says they're not supposed to be, they get away with it.

This isn't specifically a Muslim problem but it is a religion problem. It's time for society to stop making excuses. No more child marriage, no more genital mutilation, no more conversion therapy, no more letting your kid die of treatable illness because your religion doesn't believe in modern medicine.

The human rights of children greatly exceed their parents' religious freedom in importance.

There are religions against modern medicine?

Christian Science, of all the weirdly named things. Here is a sensationalized story about it, but the concept is right.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... -last-days

[Insaanistan]

There are religions against modern medicine?

Christian Science, of all the weirdly named things. Here is a sensationalized story about it, but the concept is right.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... -last-days

People who claim to be religious are either very kind and smart or complete imbeciles.

[Ethel mermania]

Christian Science, of all the weirdly named things. Here is a sensationalized story about it, but the concept is right.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... -last-days

People who claim to be religious are either very kind and smart or complete imbeciles.

People are a weird animal, I would say.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

People who claim to be religious are either very kind and smart or complete imbeciles.

I generally found that my Protestant friends are just about as intelligent and just about as kind as my nonreligious friends. They merely have a somewhat different conception of what it means to aid another. People are people, no matter what they believe in.

Of course, caveat, I don’t make friends with religious nutcases so there might be a slight sampling bias there.

[Insaanistan]

People who claim to be religious are either very kind and smart or complete imbeciles.

People are a weird animal, I would say.

I agree.

[Genivaria]

Is is often a problem with alot of people that they are blind to the crimes and evils committed by members of a group that they are themselves a part of, I will admit Insaanistan that we've had our disagreements but I mightily respect that you are the one holding these people accountable the most.

[Insaanistan]

Is is often a problem with alot of people that they are blind to the crimes and evils committed by members of a group that they are themselves a part of, I will admit Insaanistan that we've had our disagreements but I mightily respect that you are the one holding these people accountable the most.

Thank you very much.

[Freiheit Reich]

To answer the OP's question:

"What is the future for non-Muslims in Pakistan? What can and should Imran Khan do about their oppression?"

It is not looking good until the Islamic Republic of Pakistan takes Islam out of its name. Right now, the name alone shows that Muslims will be first class citizens and other religious groups are second class. I hate seeing religious names for nations as it already shows that religious freedoms for minority religions might not be given and it tells people that one religion is superior to another.

I don't understand why a man finds a pre-pubescent girl physically attractive. Also, what do they chat about? What does a 45-year old man have in common with a 12-year old? Normally, I try not to be judgmental about age differences, but this is weird. Maybe he is a boy trapped in the body of a man as Michael Jackson was said to be but it still is not appropriate.

Twelve is not mature enough to get married and it should not be allowed. A propaganda campaign must be done to discourage this.

[Insaanistan]

To answer the OP's question:

"What is the future for non-Muslims in Pakistan? What can and should Imran Khan do about their oppression?"

It is not looking good until the Islamic Republic of Pakistan takes Islam out of its name. Right now, the name alone shows that Muslims will be first class citizens and other religious groups are second class. I hate seeing religious names for nations as it already shows that religious freedoms for minority religions might not be given and it tells people that one religion is superior to another.

I don't understand why a man finds a pre-pubescent girl physically attractive. Also, what do they chat about? What does a 45-year old man have in common with a 12-year old? Normally, I try not to be judgmental about age differences, but this is weird. Maybe he is a boy trapped in the body of a man as Michael Jackson was said to be but it still is not appropriate.

Twelve is not mature enough to get married and it should not be allowed. A propaganda campaign must be done to discourage this.

Under a true Islamic nation, non-Muslims are to be treated equally. Alas, humans are humans.

And as for the second point, as a barber at the barbershop I went to before COVID (black barbershops are the best, man!) said while watching the news “Man going out rapin’ a five year old. Tell me what the hell you find seeexy, about a d*mn five year old!”

[Luminesa]

For that matter, isn't ascribing a religious affiliation to a 12 year old kinda "identity politics"? She'd be a "child of Christian parents" or something.

...No.

In the Christian tradition, it's typical that they'd be confirmed by then.

Sacramental Confirmation NOW happens when a kid is 16/17, 12/13 is pre-V2 I think.

[Luminesa]

Is is often a problem with alot of people that they are blind to the crimes and evils committed by members of a group that they are themselves a part of, I will admit Insaanistan that we've had our disagreements but I mightily respect that you are the one holding these people accountable the most.

Agreed. People of other faiths are expected to hold their fellow members accountable for when they wreck themselves, and as a Catholic I can say we definitely have our scars we need to heal. Insaan holding these people to the fire for what they did to a young girl is respectable. We need more people of faith to do this for each other, in order to bring healing to members of their congregation.

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

Rape is rape, religion or not. Religion may have had a role, but emphasising the religion of the perpetrator reads like another one of those "Muslims are evil" posts.

...
I’m Muslim.

I was not referring solely to your post, and I in fact applaud your ability to criticise followers of your faith. It is more the general sentiment some people take away from incidents like these.

[Insaanistan]

...
I’m Muslim.

I was not referring solely to your post, and I in fact applaud your ability to criticise followers of your faith. It is more the general sentiment some people take away from incidents like these.

I apologize. It seemed like your posts were accusing me of Islamophobia, and multiple posters have poster similar things apparently unaware I am a Muslim, so, I jumped to an assumption.

[Zul-ar]

>Sees a post about a Christian being raped by a Muslim
>Claim poster is an Islamaphobe
>Poster is Insaanistan
>Poster is Insaanistan

[Auze]

This thread managed to reach a level of incredible stupidity extremely fast.

[Insaanistan]

>Sees a post about a Christian being raped by a Muslim
>Claim poster is an Islamaphobe
>Poster is Insaanistan
>Poster is Insaanistan

>Realize poster is Muslim
>Complain about poster disassociating themselves with a pedophile.

Ahhh... the internet. Haven of logic and peace.

[Insaanistan]

This thread managed to reach a level of incredible stupidity extremely fast.

Welcome to the internet!

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

I was not referring solely to your post, and I in fact applaud your ability to criticise followers of your faith. It is more the general sentiment some people take away from incidents like these.

I apologize. It seemed like your posts were accusing me of Islamophobia, and multiple posters have poster similar things apparently unaware I am a Muslim, so, I jumped to an assumption.

That's fine. I am glad we cleared this up.