Christian Girl Rescued After Rape & Forced Marriage

[Insaanistan]

A 12 year old Christian girl has been rescued after a 45 year old “Muslim” man kidnapped, enslaved and raped her, and forced her to marry him.
Farah Shaheen is just one case of the rampant rape of little girls in India and Pakistan.
It also lays bare the oppression faced by Sikhs, Hindus and Christians in Pakistan (despite the fact most Pakistanis have no problem with any of these groups.)
Pakistani prime minister Imran Khan has condemned violence against non-Muslims in Pakistan multiple times, and has made efforts to curtail it.
However, none of this changes the harsh reality felt by minorities in Pakistan, similar to that felt by minorities in India.
Though most Pakistanis are tolerant of other faiths, “Islamists” still have significant following in the country, and with that comes opposition to non-Muslim rights under the guise of Islam. For example, after Muslims and Hindus demonstrated in favor of it, a Hindu temple was approved to be built in Islamabad. However, “Islamists” had it put on hold.

What is the future for non-Muslims in Pakistan? What can and should Imran Khan do about their oppression?

I’ve known Pakistani Sikhs proud to be Pakistani. And for them, Pakistan was a way safer place to be than America, but I can’t and they can’t say that they or someone they know has never been called out in Pakistan for wearing a Sikh turban rather than a Muslim one, or told “Go back to India”.

Sources:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... FmSI-Vl8iV
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... RcRpkNTwb_

[Postauthoritarian America]

What does the religion of the perpetrator or the victim have to do with anything?

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

What does the religion of the perpetrator or the victim have to do with anything?

For that matter, isn't ascribing a religious affiliation to a 12 year old kinda "identity politics"? She'd be a "child of Christian parents" or something.

[Salus Maior]

What does the religion of the perpetrator or the victim have to do with anything?

Because these are important dynamics in these parts of the world.

About as important as race is here.

[Salus Maior]

What does the religion of the perpetrator or the victim have to do with anything?

For that matter, isn't ascribing a religious affiliation to a 12 year old kinda "identity politics"? She'd be a "child of Christian parents" or something.

...No.

In the Christian tradition, it's typical that they'd be confirmed by then.

[Punished UMN]

What does the religion of the perpetrator or the victim have to do with anything?

Because it's the reason for the dynamic.

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

For that matter, isn't ascribing a religious affiliation to a 12 year old kinda "identity politics"? She'd be a "child of Christian parents" or something.

...No.

In the Christian tradition, it's typical that they'd be confirmed by then.

That's creepy. Seriously, child abuse creepy. But you do your tradition I guess.

[Punished UMN]

...No.

In the Christian tradition, it's typical that they'd be confirmed by then.

That's creepy. Seriously, child abuse creepy. But you do your tradition I guess.

No it isn't, it's basically how all societies function, by parents passing down the values they agree with to their children.

[Postauthoritarian America]

What does the religion of the perpetrator or the victim have to do with anything?

Because these are important dynamics in these parts of the world.

About as important as race is here.

Be that as it may, what would the race of the victim or perp have to do with anything here? Someone abducted and assaulted someone else; are you claiming it happened because of the religious/racial difference, or that individuals of a particular race or religion are more likely to commit certain crimes against individuals of a different race or religion? If not, what does race or religion matter in the case at hand?

[Salus Maior]

Because these are important dynamics in these parts of the world.

About as important as race is here.

Be that as it may, what would the race of the victim or perp have to do with anything here? Someone abducted and assaulted someone else; are you claiming it happened because of the religious/racial difference?

I mean, yeah, that's a distinct possibility and follows certain patterns in both our and their culture.

Do you get this riled up when people point out that black men get abused by police more?

[Punished UMN]

Because these are important dynamics in these parts of the world.

About as important as race is here.

Be that as it may, what would the race of the victim or perp have to do with anything here? Someone abducted and assaulted someone else; are you claiming it happened because of the religious/racial difference, or that individuals of a particular race or religion are more likely to commit certain crimes against individuals of a different race or religion? If not, what does race or religion matter in the case at hand?

To the emphasized, yes, because that is why it has happened, as the OP has laid out and due to historical circumstances in the region. The use of Christian women as sex slaves in some Islamic countries is a long-standing tradition that was legal throughout much of the Islamic world until well-into the 20th century.

[Postauthoritarian America]

Be that as it may, what would the race of the victim or perp have to do with anything here? Someone abducted and assaulted someone else; are you claiming it happened because of the religious/racial difference, or that individuals of a particular race or religion are more likely to commit certain crimes against individuals of a different race or religion? If not, what does race or religion matter in the case at hand?

To the emphasized, yes, because that is why it has happened, as the OP has laid out and due to historical circumstances in the region. The use of Christian women as sex slaves in some Islamic countries is a long-standing tradition that was legal throughout much of the Islamic world until well-into the 20th century.

Nothing in the OP or the links suggests Christians or Hindus are disproportionally victims of sexual or other crimes in Pakistan than Muslims are. This kind of selective reporting is called "waving the bloody shirt." We have data showing minorities in the US are arrested, detained, charged, convicted and sentenced more often and are more subject to police violence than whites are. Show the same for Pakistan.

[Salus Maior]

:evil:

To the emphasized, yes, because that is why it has happened, as the OP has laid out and due to historical circumstances in the region. The use of Christian women as sex slaves in some Islamic countries is a long-standing tradition that was legal throughout much of the Islamic world until well-into the 20th century.

Nothing in the OP or the links suggests Christians or Hindus are disproportionally victims of sexual or other crimes in Pakistan than Muslims are. This kind of selective reporting is called "waving the bloody shirt." We have data showing minorities in the US are arrested, detained, charged, convicted and sentenced more often and are more subject to police violence than whites are. Show the same for Pakistan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian ... ersecution

Persecution and abuse towards religious minorities, and Christians in particular, is endemic in Pakistan.

[Punished UMN]

:evil:

To the emphasized, yes, because that is why it has happened, as the OP has laid out and due to historical circumstances in the region. The use of Christian women as sex slaves in some Islamic countries is a long-standing tradition that was legal throughout much of the Islamic world until well-into the 20th century.

Nothing in the OP or the links suggests Christians or Hindus are disproportionally victims of sexual or other crimes in Pakistan than Muslims are. This kind of selective reporting is called "waving the bloody shirt." We have data showing minorities in the US are arrested, detained, charged, convicted and sentenced more often and are more subject to police violence than whites are. Show the same for Pakistan.

It's all very well documented and I think what Salus linked shows that pretty well. You ought to investigate before you speak authoritatively.

[Galloism]

:evil:

To the emphasized, yes, because that is why it has happened, as the OP has laid out and due to historical circumstances in the region. The use of Christian women as sex slaves in some Islamic countries is a long-standing tradition that was legal throughout much of the Islamic world until well-into the 20th century.

Nothing in the OP or the links suggests Christians or Hindus are disproportionally victims of sexual or other crimes in Pakistan than Muslims are. This kind of selective reporting is called "waving the bloody shirt." We have data showing minorities in the US are arrested, detained, charged, convicted and sentenced more often and are more subject to police violence than whites are. Show the same for Pakistan.

https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/c ... s/pakistan

Women from religious minority communities remain particularly vulnerable to abuse. A report by the Movement for Solidarity and Peace in Pakistan found that at least 1,000 girls belonging to Christian and Hindu communities are forced to marry Muslim men every year. The government has done little to stop such forced marriages.

[New haven america]

What does the religion of the perpetrator or the victim have to do with anything?

Because on the Indian Subcontinent and that general area of the world, Religion is just as important as race is over here.

For example, you can't become a citizen of several countries over there without converting to the national religion (Like the Maldives for example, non-Muslims can't get citizenship).

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

Be that as it may, what would the race of the victim or perp have to do with anything here? Someone abducted and assaulted someone else; are you claiming it happened because of the religious/racial difference, or that individuals of a particular race or religion are more likely to commit certain crimes against individuals of a different race or religion? If not, what does race or religion matter in the case at hand?

To the emphasized, yes, because that is why it has happened, as the OP has laid out and due to historical circumstances in the region. The use of Christian women as sex slaves in some Islamic countries is a long-standing tradition that was legal throughout much of the Islamic world until well-into the 20th century.

Taking ONE example, as the OP did, then concluding that the racial and religious difference is the CAUSE of it happening, is absolutely magnificent sample bias.

This whole thread should be locked. It's just the "subject of pedophilia" which is banned anyway, with trollbait garnish of rape, race and religion. I doubt it can go a whole page without someone getting warned.

[Punished UMN]

To the emphasized, yes, because that is why it has happened, as the OP has laid out and due to historical circumstances in the region. The use of Christian women as sex slaves in some Islamic countries is a long-standing tradition that was legal throughout much of the Islamic world until well-into the 20th century.

Taking ONE example, as the OP did, then concluding that the racial and religious difference is the CAUSE of it happening, is absolutely magnificent sample bias.

This whole thread should be locked. It's just the "subject of pedophilia" which is banned anyway, with trollbait garnish of rape, race and religion. I doubt it can go a whole page without someone getting warned.

As now two posters have pointed out, one with Human Rights Watch as a source, this is an endemic issue which is well-known in the region. Why are you so desperate to defend Pakistan, of all countries? Also, trollbait for whom? The OP is a Muslim.

[Salus Maior]

To the emphasized, yes, because that is why it has happened, as the OP has laid out and due to historical circumstances in the region. The use of Christian women as sex slaves in some Islamic countries is a long-standing tradition that was legal throughout much of the Islamic world until well-into the 20th century.

Taking ONE example, as the OP did, then concluding that the racial and religious difference is the CAUSE of it happening, is absolutely magnificent sample bias.

This whole thread should be locked. It's just the "subject of pedophilia" which is banned anyway, with trollbait garnish of rape, race and religion. I doubt it can go a whole page without someone getting warned.

Insaan is a devout Muslim, you know.

He's not doing this to discredit Muslims, but rather to criticize inhumane practices in Pakistan.

And you're not a mod. If you want to report this thread, then do so.

[Postauthoritarian America]

:evil:

Nothing in the OP or the links suggests Christians or Hindus are disproportionally victims of sexual or other crimes in Pakistan than Muslims are. This kind of selective reporting is called "waving the bloody shirt." We have data showing minorities in the US are arrested, detained, charged, convicted and sentenced more often and are more subject to police violence than whites are. Show the same for Pakistan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian ... ersecution

Persecution and abuse towards religious minorities, and Christians in particular, is endemic in Pakistan.

I see a litany of assertions including one case where the perp has been ordered arrested and the victim referred to a shelter. https://www.persecution.org/2020/11/25/ ... -turns-18/

Admitting for the sake of argument that non-Muslims could be at a disadvantage legally and socially in a self-declared Muslim nation, the solution does not involve demonizing all Muslims because of the criminal actions of some Muslims. It's analogous to the equally unhelpful and divisive "Muslims are terrorists" meme.

Are no underage Muslim girls in Pakistan ever kidnapped and forced into marriage? Without evidence we can't rule out a larger societal issue than Muslim/non-Muslim tensions here.

[Punished UMN]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian ... ersecution

Persecution and abuse towards religious minorities, and Christians in particular, is endemic in Pakistan.

I see a litany of assertions including one case where the perp has been ordered arrested and the victim referred to a shelter. https://www.persecution.org/2020/11/25/ ... -turns-18/

Admitting for the sake of argument that non-Muslims could be at a disadvantage legally and socially in a self-declared Muslim nation, the solution does not involve demonizing all Muslims because of the criminal actions of some Muslims. It's analogous to the equally unhelpful and divisive "Muslims are terrorists" meme.

No one is doing that though.

[Washington Resistance Army]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian ... ersecution

Persecution and abuse towards religious minorities, and Christians in particular, is endemic in Pakistan.

I see a litany of assertions including one case where the perp has been ordered arrested and the victim referred to a shelter. https://www.persecution.org/2020/11/25/ ... -turns-18/

Admitting for the sake of argument that non-Muslims could be at a disadvantage legally and socially in a self-declared Muslim nation, the solution does not involve demonizing all Muslims because of the criminal actions of some Muslims. It's analogous to the equally unhelpful and divisive "Muslims are terrorists" meme.

Are no underage Muslim girls in Pakistan ever kidnapped and forced into marriage? Without evidence we can't rule out a larger societal issue than Muslim/non-Muslim tensions here.

Literally the OP of this thread is a devout Muslim. You're just acting like a caricature of a liberal rushing to defend a perceived attacked minority without even actually trying to understand what anyone is saying or the history of the region.

[Postauthoritarian America]

:evil:

Nothing in the OP or the links suggests Christians or Hindus are disproportionally victims of sexual or other crimes in Pakistan than Muslims are. This kind of selective reporting is called "waving the bloody shirt." We have data showing minorities in the US are arrested, detained, charged, convicted and sentenced more often and are more subject to police violence than whites are. Show the same for Pakistan.

https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/c ... s/pakistan

Women from religious minority communities remain particularly vulnerable to abuse. A report by the Movement for Solidarity and Peace in Pakistan found that at least 1,000 girls belonging to Christian and Hindu communities are forced to marry Muslim men every year. The government has done little to stop such forced marriages.

Reading on...

Early marriage remains a serious problem, with 21 percent of girls in Pakistan marrying before the age of 18, and 3 percent marrying before age 15...

Over 5 million primary school-age children in Pakistan are out of school, most of them girls. Human Rights Watch research found girls miss school for reasons including, lack of schools, costs associated with studying, child marriage, harmful child labor, and gender discrimination.

Child sexual abuse remains disturbingly common in Pakistan with 141 cases reported in just Lahore, Punjab, in the first six months of 2018. At least 77 girls and 79 boys were raped or sexually assaulted in the first half of 2018, according to police reports, but none of the suspects had been convicted at time of writing and all had been released on bail.

In January, the rape and murder of 7-year-old Zainab Ansari in Kasur, Punjab, led to nationwide outrage and prompted the government to promise action. On June 12, the Supreme Court upheld the convictions of Imran Ali for the rape and murder of Zainab Ansari and at least eight other girls. Imran Ali was executed on October 17. On August 8, the body of a 5-year-old girl who was raped and murdered was found in Mardan district, Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa. The rape of a 6-year-old girl in Sukkur district, Sindh, was confirmed by a medical report on August 10.

According to the organization Sahil, an average of 11 cases of child sexual abuse are reported daily across Pakistan. Zainab Ansari was among the dozen children to be murdered in Kasur district, Punjab in 2018. In 2015, police identified a gang of child sex abusers in the same district.

So it seems child sex abuse might not just be a Christian/Muslim thing in Pakistan, yes?

[Salus Maior]

Admitting for the sake of argument that non-Muslims could be at a disadvantage legally and socially in a self-declared Muslim nation, the solution does not involve demonizing all Muslims because of the criminal actions of some Muslims. It's analogous to the equally unhelpful and divisive "Muslims are terrorists" meme.

The only person even approaching that idea is you.

Are you projecting or something?

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So it seems child sex abuse might not just be a Christian/Muslim thing in Pakistan, yes?

And getting shot unjustly by cops isn't just a Black thing here in America. That doesn't make it not a racial problem.

[The Marlborough]

So it seems child sex abuse might not just be a Christian/Muslim thing in Pakistan, yes?

Black and indigenous women and girls are more likely to be sexually abused in the United States than white women and girls - this does not mean it never happens to white women and girls. Seriously why are you and the test tube guy acting like caricatures?