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Guns for everyone

Yes
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No
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50%
Maybe
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The Chuck
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Postby The Chuck » Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:42 am



Thank you Sovereign California for weighing in :hug:
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Christian Confederation
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Postby Christian Confederation » Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:42 am

Turn 18 government should give you a pistol, hunting rifle, and an AR-15. Department of Arms. Everyone gets mandatory gun safety classes before they can get there weapon. Gun behind every blade of grass, everyone packing heat. Violent felons lose their right.
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Postby Kernen » Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:45 am

A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:
Kernen wrote:

This is absurd. Defense of property is never itself a justifiable defense for homicide under US law. Lethal self defense is not legally predicated on defense of property. Defense of property is merely incidental to defense of self.


Exactly what I said. Stand ready in defense of your property, right up to the moment you're legally entitled to shoot. Then shoot.

Me, myself, I'm more "that's bad trouble, I'm out of here" and never have to defend myself on my own property. Kinda helps that I have mostly rented property and didn't have a lot of nice stuff. Let alone operated a business.

Bottom line, is the Korean shop-keepers, all their employees and family, could easily have escaped, except that some hardasses wanted to defend their property. If any lives were put at risk, it was for the sake of property.

There's no reason to retreat from a place you've a right to be.
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Postby Kernen » Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:46 am

A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:
Kernen wrote:

This is absurd. Defense of property is never itself a justifiable defense for homicide under US law. Lethal self defense is not legally predicated on defense of property. Defense of property is merely incidental to defense of self.


Exactly what I said. Stand ready in defense of your property, right up to the moment you're legally entitled to shoot. Then shoot.

Me, myself, I'm more "that's bad trouble, I'm out of here" and never have to defend myself on my own property. Kinda helps that I have mostly rented property and didn't have a lot of nice stuff. Let alone operated a business.

Bottom line, is the Korean shop-keepers, all their employees and family, could easily have escaped, except that some hardasses wanted to defend their property. If any lives were put at risk, it was for the sake of property.

There's no reason to retreat from a place you've a right to be.
From the throne of Khan Juk i'Behemoti, Juk Who-Is-The-Strength-of-the-Behemoth, Supreme Khan of the Ogres of Kernen. May the Khan ever drink the blood of his enemies!

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Postby Ifreann » Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:47 am

Christian Confederation wrote:Turn 18 government should give you a pistol, hunting rifle, and an AR-15. Department of Arms. Everyone gets mandatory gun safety classes before they can get there weapon. Gun behind every blade of grass, everyone packing heat. Violent felons lose their right.

Why give people two rifles and a pistol? That's just weird.
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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:48 am

Ifreann wrote:
Christian Confederation wrote:Turn 18 government should give you a pistol, hunting rifle, and an AR-15. Department of Arms. Everyone gets mandatory gun safety classes before they can get there weapon. Gun behind every blade of grass, everyone packing heat. Violent felons lose their right.

Why give people two rifles and a pistol? That's just weird.


It's simple, you hold one rifle with each hand and use the pistol with your feet.
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Kernen
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Postby Kernen » Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:48 am

Ifreann wrote:
Christian Confederation wrote:Turn 18 government should give you a pistol, hunting rifle, and an AR-15. Department of Arms. Everyone gets mandatory gun safety classes before they can get there weapon. Gun behind every blade of grass, everyone packing heat. Violent felons lose their right.

Why give people two rifles and a pistol? That's just weird.

Give them six pistols, but make them all matchlocks.go full pirate.
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Ifreann
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:49 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Why give people two rifles and a pistol? That's just weird.


It's simple, you hold one rifle with each hand and use the pistol with your feet.

Shouldn't it be two pistols, then?
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Postby Galloism » Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:50 am

Ifreann wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It's simple, you hold one rifle with each hand and use the pistol with your feet.

Shouldn't it be two pistols, then?

No opposable toes. Can’t hold it and pull the trigger with the same foot.
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Ifreann
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:52 am

Kernen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Why give people two rifles and a pistol? That's just weird.

Give them six pistols, but make them all matchlocks.go full pirate.

Now you're talking.
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Greater Cesnica
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:55 am

Kernen wrote:
A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:
Exactly what I said. Stand ready in defense of your property, right up to the moment you're legally entitled to shoot. Then shoot.

Me, myself, I'm more "that's bad trouble, I'm out of here" and never have to defend myself on my own property. Kinda helps that I have mostly rented property and didn't have a lot of nice stuff. Let alone operated a business.

Bottom line, is the Korean shop-keepers, all their employees and family, could easily have escaped, except that some hardasses wanted to defend their property. If any lives were put at risk, it was for the sake of property.

There's no reason to retreat from a place you've a right to be.

Indeed. Even if you take the stance of "human life is more important", in this case retreating only endangers one's life.
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The Chuck
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Founded: Apr 18, 2018
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Postby The Chuck » Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:04 am

Well this is going to be one hell of a spicy take but ASoT... Kyle Rittenhouse sure as hell tried to retreat... look what happened with that...
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:10 am

The Chuck wrote:Well this is going to be one hell of a spicy take but ASoT... Kyle Rittenhouse sure as hell tried to retreat... look what happened with that...

I don't think Rittenhouse should have been there. I certainly don't support that kid's bootlicker politics. foh with "blue lives matter".

That being said, he shot in self-defense. Sorry, it is what it is. For what it's worth though, I can also say that the bystanders who attacked Rittenhouse after the initial shooting may also have been justified in acting, considering they might have believed he had killed someone randomly. An overall sad situation.
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Postby Galloism » Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:12 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:
The Chuck wrote:Well this is going to be one hell of a spicy take but ASoT... Kyle Rittenhouse sure as hell tried to retreat... look what happened with that...

I don't think Rittenhouse should have been there. I certainly don't support that kid's bootlicker politics. foh with "blue lives matter".

That being said, he shot in self-defense. Sorry, it is what it is. For what it's worth though, I can also say that the bystanders who attacked Rittenhouse after the initial shooting may also have been justified in acting, considering they might have believed he had killed someone randomly. An overall sad situation.

I’ll give Huber the benefit of that doubt.

I can’t give Grosskreutz that benefit. When you didn’t see the shooting, literally run up next to and start interviewing the shooter on livestream, he tells you he’s going to the police, and you can see him running directly towards the police lights, the right answer isn’t to start shouting for the crowd to stop him.
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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:13 am

Galloism wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:I don't think Rittenhouse should have been there. I certainly don't support that kid's bootlicker politics. foh with "blue lives matter".

That being said, he shot in self-defense. Sorry, it is what it is. For what it's worth though, I can also say that the bystanders who attacked Rittenhouse after the initial shooting may also have been justified in acting, considering they might have believed he had killed someone randomly. An overall sad situation.

I’ll give Huber the benefit of that doubt.

I can’t give Grosskreutz that benefit. When you didn’t see the shooting, literally run up next to and start interviewing the shooter on livestream, he tells you he’s going to the police, and you can see him running directly towards the police lights, the right answer isn’t to start shouting for the crowd to stop him.


There's also the false surrender which is a terrible look on his part.
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Greater Cesnica
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:14 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Galloism wrote:I’ll give Huber the benefit of that doubt.

I can’t give Grosskreutz that benefit. When you didn’t see the shooting, literally run up next to and start interviewing the shooter on livestream, he tells you he’s going to the police, and you can see him running directly towards the police lights, the right answer isn’t to start shouting for the crowd to stop him.


There's also the false surrender which is a terrible look on his part.

With Grosskreutz? He was the one who pulled the pistol, right?
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Postby Galloism » Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:17 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
There's also the false surrender which is a terrible look on his part.

With Grosskreutz? He was the one who pulled the pistol, right?

Yep. He fake surrendered, then when Rittenhouse lowered his rifle, charged in again and tried to point his gun at Rittenhouse’s head.

That’s when rittenhouse blew the bulk of his right bicep off.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:19 am

Galloism wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:With Grosskreutz? He was the one who pulled the pistol, right?

Yep. He fake surrendered, then when Rittenhouse lowered his rifle, charged in again and tried to point his gun at Rittenhouse’s head.

That’s when rittenhouse blew the bulk of his right bicep off.

Unfortunate, but that's what happens when you escalate after your counterpart falls for your trick.
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Postby Galloism » Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:24 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Galloism wrote:Yep. He fake surrendered, then when Rittenhouse lowered his rifle, charged in again and tried to point his gun at Rittenhouse’s head.

That’s when rittenhouse blew the bulk of his right bicep off.

Unfortunate, but that's what happens when you escalate after your counterpart falls for your trick.

He’s lucky he’s not dead. Rittenhouse clearly shot exactly where he was looking (at the gun) and the motion resulted in the bullet striking his arm. If he had been looking at Grosskreutz’s face he’d be dead.

And if he had been moving a hair faster, and the bullet was an inch to the right, he might have gotten his arm amputated.

And I don’t mean “later at the hospital” when I say that.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:26 am

Galloism wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Unfortunate, but that's what happens when you escalate after your counterpart falls for your trick.

He’s lucky he’s not dead. Rittenhouse clearly shot exactly where he was looking (at the gun) and the motion resulted in the bullet striking his arm. If he had been looking at Grosskreutz’s face he’d be dead.

And if he had been moving a hair faster, and the bullet was an inch to the right, he might have gotten his arm amputated.

And I don’t mean “later at the hospital” when I say that.

With .223? Sure with .308 I can see that happening, but with .223 it would at least be attached to his body somewhat (rendered useless of course).
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Postby Galloism » Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:35 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Galloism wrote:He’s lucky he’s not dead. Rittenhouse clearly shot exactly where he was looking (at the gun) and the motion resulted in the bullet striking his arm. If he had been looking at Grosskreutz’s face he’d be dead.

And if he had been moving a hair faster, and the bullet was an inch to the right, he might have gotten his arm amputated.

And I don’t mean “later at the hospital” when I say that.

With .223? Sure with .308 I can see that happening, but with .223 it would at least be attached to his body somewhat (rendered useless of course).

Maybe the skin could hold it on. A .223 will break a bone easily enough.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:38 am

Galloism wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:With .223? Sure with .308 I can see that happening, but with .223 it would at least be attached to his body somewhat (rendered useless of course).

Maybe the skin could hold it on. A .223 will break a bone easily enough.

Of course.
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.
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Christian Confederation
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Postby Christian Confederation » Sun Feb 28, 2021 1:27 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Christian Confederation wrote:Turn 18 government should give you a pistol, hunting rifle, and an AR-15. Department of Arms. Everyone gets mandatory gun safety classes before they can get there weapon. Gun behind every blade of grass, everyone packing heat. Violent felons lose their right.

Why give people two rifles and a pistol? That's just weird.

Riffle for hunting and the AR for Defense. Pistol is for defense in public
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Postby Kernen » Sun Feb 28, 2021 1:30 pm

Christian Confederation wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Why give people two rifles and a pistol? That's just weird.

Riffle for hunting and the AR for Defense. Pistol is for defense in public

What if you don't want the hunting rifle. Or the AR15. Or the pistol. Or some combination thereof.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:07 pm

Christian Confederation wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Why give people two rifles and a pistol? That's just weird.

Riffle for hunting and the AR for Defense. Pistol is for defense in public

Or how about don't force people who don't want a gun to have guns.
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