A gun in every house is a must

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

Don't be silly. Government will pay a fair price for "stockpiled" weapons. The only reason to resist is an intention to profit from buying legal and selling illegal.

This is objectively not true. The government oftentimes doesn't even offer a quarter of the value a weapon is actually worth.

Your opinion. I say government should pay the purchase price when it left the shop, plus general inflation. If that's less than the current market price (second hand), then suck it and thus unto all property speculators.

[Washington Resistance Army]

This is objectively not true. The government oftentimes doesn't even offer a quarter of the value a weapon is actually worth.

Your opinion. I say government should pay the purchase price when it left the shop, plus general inflation. If that's less than the current market price (second hand), then suck it and thus unto all property speculators.

It's not an opinion, I've seen buybacks in the States. You know what you get for a $1,500 rifle? A $100 gift card. If you're lucky.

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

Don't be silly. Government will pay a fair price for "stockpiled" weapons. The only reason to resist is an intention to profit from buying legal and selling illegal.

Alternatively, a good reason to resist is that the 'fair price' isn't worth giving up the tool.

What you paid for it (documented) plus inflation. Screwing government for 'all they will pay' is not an option. You give up the gun for the price offered, or you buy a new front door.

[Kernen]

This is objectively not true. The government oftentimes doesn't even offer a quarter of the value a weapon is actually worth.

Your opinion. I say government should pay the purchase price when it left the shop, plus general inflation. If that's less than the current market price (second hand), then suck it and thus unto all property speculators.

Hardly fair when supply is tanking. Strikes me that every firearm confiscated, to be fair, should be evaluated based on demand at the time of confiscation.

[Kernen]

Alternatively, a good reason to resist is that the 'fair price' isn't worth giving up the tool.

What you paid for it (documented) plus inflation. Screwing government for 'all they will pay' is not an option. You give up the gun for the price offered, or you buy a new front door.

Nothing like the threat of police violence to remind you of your place in life as a subject.

[Galloism]

Alternatively, a good reason to resist is that the 'fair price' isn't worth giving up the tool.

What you paid for it (documented) plus inflation. Screwing government for 'all they will pay' is not an option. You give up the gun for the price offered, or you buy a new front door.

Did you know inflation can be measured on a per class basis?

IE, food inflation can be different than real estate inflation.

Gun inflation could also be measured thusly.

[Greater Cesnica]

Alternatively, a good reason to resist is that the 'fair price' isn't worth giving up the tool.

What you paid for it (documented) plus inflation. Screwing government for 'all they will pay' is not an option. You give up the gun for the price offered, or you buy a new front door.

Come, try to take our guns. Please do.

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

Your opinion. I say government should pay the purchase price when it left the shop, plus general inflation. If that's less than the current market price (second hand), then suck it and thus unto all property speculators.

It's not an opinion, I've seen buybacks in the States. You know what you get for a $1,500 rifle? A $100 gift card. If you're lucky.

Well that's wrong. I'm not proposing to do it that way, also it wouldn't apply to most gun owners. I'm concerned about the hoarders, and very suspicious of their motives. People who own one or two guns would have nothing to lose but their privacy. They would have to register their guns, and for that they would get an entitlement to carry a gun in public places.

Bear in mind that my starting position is all guns being licensed, licensing granted only for demonstrated need and competency, and no carry at all except at gun ranges, state forests (where the carrier is separately licensed to shoot certain game) etc. Open carry but no concealed carry is a big compromise for me.

[West Whatever]

I don’t believe guns should be banned. However, guns shouldn’t be mandatory, in fact, the country could use some stricter firearm controls. But I’ll be damned to hell if the government wants to take away my guns. Sometimes, a guy just wants to shoot a couple targets in his backyard. I’m not a gun freak, but the second amendment was pretty clear when it said I had the right to bear arms. But nobody should be forced to own them either.

[Greater Cesnica]

It's not an opinion, I've seen buybacks in the States. You know what you get for a $1,500 rifle? A $100 gift card. If you're lucky.

Well that's wrong. I'm not proposing to do it that way, also it wouldn't apply to most gun owners. I'm concerned about the hoarders, and very suspicious of their motives. People who own one or two guns would have nothing to lose but their privacy. They would have to register their guns, and for that they would get an entitlement to carry a gun in public places.

Bear in mind that my starting position is all guns being licensed, licensing granted only for demonstrated need and competency, and no carry at all except at gun ranges, state forests (where the carrier is separately licensed to shoot certain game) etc. Open carry but no concealed carry is a big compromise for me.

I own four firearms. Do you consider me a "hoarder"?

[Galloism]

It's not an opinion, I've seen buybacks in the States. You know what you get for a $1,500 rifle? A $100 gift card. If you're lucky.

Well that's wrong. I'm not proposing to do it that way, also it wouldn't apply to most gun owners. I'm concerned about the hoarders, and very suspicious of their motives. People who own one or two guns would have nothing to lose but their privacy. They would have to register their guns, and for that they would get an entitlement to carry a gun in public places.

Bear in mind that my starting position is all guns being licensed, licensing granted only for demonstrated need and competency, and no carry at all except at gun ranges, state forests (where the carrier is separately licensed to shoot certain game) etc. Open carry but no concealed carry is a big compromise for me.

Keep in mind, by law, such registration schemes can only apply to the otherwise law abiding.

If you are not legally allowed to have the gun, you are literally immune from prosecution for failing to register pursuant to the 5th amendment.

[The Chuck]

Alternatively, a good reason to resist is that the 'fair price' isn't worth giving up the tool.

What you paid for it (documented) plus inflation. Screwing government for 'all they will pay' is not an option. You give up the gun for the price offered, or you buy a new front door.

So you plan on having big papa govt. go kicking down the doors of every single gun owner just because you are an authoritarian? Seems like you and other folks who think like you are the reason we have the 2nd Amendment in the first place... My people (Korean Americans) saw what happens when the "authorities" ditch us and leave us on our own when shit hits the fan and I'll be damned if some folks want to confiscate our firearms.

Hippity Hoppity, My AR is My property.

[Washington Resistance Army]

It's not an opinion, I've seen buybacks in the States. You know what you get for a $1,500 rifle? A $100 gift card. If you're lucky.

Well that's wrong. I'm not proposing to do it that way, also it wouldn't apply to most gun owners. I'm concerned about the hoarders, and very suspicious of their motives. People who own one or two guns would have nothing to lose but their privacy. They would have to register their guns, and for that they would get an entitlement to carry a gun in public places.

Bear in mind that my starting position is all guns being licensed, licensing granted only for demonstrated need and competency, and no carry at all except at gun ranges, state forests (where the carrier is separately licensed to shoot certain game) etc. Open carry but no concealed carry is a big compromise for me.

As one of those hoarders I think you'd be shocked to see how mundane the motives often are. Wanna know why I own a dozen Ingram style guns? Because they're made by different manufacturers with different methods and materials in various calibers and arrangements. That's literally it.

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

What you paid for it (documented) plus inflation. Screwing government for 'all they will pay' is not an option. You give up the gun for the price offered, or you buy a new front door.

Come, try to take our guns. Please do.

Wishing death on me. Isn't that a bit like what you reported me for recently?

[Greater Cesnica]

What you paid for it (documented) plus inflation. Screwing government for 'all they will pay' is not an option. You give up the gun for the price offered, or you buy a new front door.

So you plan on having big papa govt. go kicking down the doors of every single gun owner just because you are an authoritarian? Seems like you and other folks who think like you are the reason we have the 2nd Amendment in the first place... My people (Korean Americans) saw what happens when the "authorities" ditch us and leave us on our own when shit hits the fan and I'll be damned if some folks want to confiscate our firearms.

Hippity Hoppity, My AR is My property.

Indeed. We will not budge, nor will we comply.

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

What you paid for it (documented) plus inflation. Screwing government for 'all they will pay' is not an option. You give up the gun for the price offered, or you buy a new front door.

So you plan on having big papa govt. go kicking down the doors of every single gun owner just because you are an authoritarian? Seems like you and other folks who think like you are the reason we have the 2nd Amendment in the first place... My people (Korean Americans) saw what happens when the "authorities" ditch us and leave us on our own when shit hits the fan and I'll be damned if some folks want to confiscate our firearms.

Hippity Hoppity, My AR is My property.

I feel your pain. Not so much your point.

[Greater Cesnica]

Come, try to take our guns. Please do.

Wishing death on me. Isn't that a bit like what you reported me for recently?

If you sincerely think that I'm wishing death on you with that, go report me for it. You know full well I'm referring to the state that you seem to be supporting zealously in your desire to disarm law-abiding, peaceful citizens.

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

Wishing death on me. Isn't that a bit like what you reported me for recently?

If you sincerely think that I'm wishing death on you with that, go report me for it. You know full well I'm referring to the state that you seem to be supporting zealously in your desire to disarm law-abiding, peaceful citizens.

Most of my life I've been a stoner, hiding from the law trying to take my precious away from me.

Your struggles have yet to come. Please get your head out of "from my cold dead hands" because no injustice is worse than being dead.

[Galloism]

So you plan on having big papa govt. go kicking down the doors of every single gun owner just because you are an authoritarian? Seems like you and other folks who think like you are the reason we have the 2nd Amendment in the first place... My people (Korean Americans) saw what happens when the "authorities" ditch us and leave us on our own when shit hits the fan and I'll be damned if some folks want to confiscate our firearms.

Hippity Hoppity, My AR is My property.

I feel your pain. Not so much your point.

He’s referring to the Rodney king riots.

During the Rodney king riots, one of the areas hardest hit was a large community of Korean Americans who were facing absolute poverty and homelessness due to the fallouts of those riots.

A number of Korean Americans armed themselves to protect their homes and businesses from the destruction. Famously, many of them took up positions on the roofs of their own properties. They became known as “roof Koreans” by common parlance.

[Greater Cesnica]

So you plan on having big papa govt. go kicking down the doors of every single gun owner just because you are an authoritarian? Seems like you and other folks who think like you are the reason we have the 2nd Amendment in the first place... My people (Korean Americans) saw what happens when the "authorities" ditch us and leave us on our own when shit hits the fan and I'll be damned if some folks want to confiscate our firearms.

Hippity Hoppity, My AR is My property.

I feel your pain. Not so much your point.

You don't feel anything for Chuck. You're coming into this argument with an air of abject superiority, this position of arrogance and a dismissive attitude towards those who have had differing life experiences from you. If you knew the circumstances that would lead one to support gun ownership, if you recognized that personal defense is a necessary component of one maintaining their livelihood, then I don't think your stance on this matter would be as severe and unyielding as it is.

[Kernen]

So you plan on having big papa govt. go kicking down the doors of every single gun owner just because you are an authoritarian? Seems like you and other folks who think like you are the reason we have the 2nd Amendment in the first place... My people (Korean Americans) saw what happens when the "authorities" ditch us and leave us on our own when shit hits the fan and I'll be damned if some folks want to confiscate our firearms.

Hippity Hoppity, My AR is My property.

I feel your pain. Not so much your point.

Cost of enforcement exceeds benefit. Bad policy.

[Greater Cesnica]

If you sincerely think that I'm wishing death on you with that, go report me for it. You know full well I'm referring to the state that you seem to be supporting zealously in your desire to disarm law-abiding, peaceful citizens.

Most of my life I've been a stoner, hiding from the law trying to take my precious away from me.

Your struggles have yet to come. Please get your head out of "from my cold dead hands" because no injustice is worse than being dead.

Just as you have your principled position, I have mine. You seem content to use the application of organized violence by the State to further your ideological goals, whereas my position comes from a broad opposition to centralized authority; an opposition that comes from that very potential that you'd like to unleash upon millions of individuals.

[Saiwania]

There can't be any mandatory buybacks in the US anyways, unless the US Constitution successfully gets amended or if SCOTUS rules in favor of allowing it, which it won't if there is no text in the US Constitution that can be interpreted as allowing such. A mandatory buyback is an example of a retroactively applied or ex post facto law which just isn't allowed by the Grandfather Clause.

Yes, its feasible that the US congress can pass the worst forms of gun control, but anyone who legally owned what was made illegal are still allowed to continue owning such weapons and even continue selling it on the open market generally speaking. That is why an amendment to title 1 gun control in the US eliminated all civilian commercial trade of machineguns made after 1986 but not before 1986 because well- the machineguns that were owned by civilians were legal before the date of that law's enactment.

[The Chuck]

Most of my life I've been a stoner, hiding from the law trying to take my precious away from me.

Your struggles have yet to come. Please get your head out of "from my cold dead hands" because no injustice is worse than being dead.

Just as you have your principled position, I have mine. You seem content to use the application of organized violence by the State to further your ideological goals, whereas my position comes from a broad opposition to centralized authority; an opposition that comes from that very potential that you'd like to unleash upon millions of individuals.

Funny how ASoT talks about being a stoner most of their life and yet wants big papa govt. to go kicking down the doors of individuals who actually attempt to follow the laws. Perhaps they are just salty that they can't legally own a firearm in the US due to Line 21 E on the 4473? Something along the lines of "If I can't have one, no one can."...

[Greater Cesnica]

Just as you have your principled position, I have mine. You seem content to use the application of organized violence by the State to further your ideological goals, whereas my position comes from a broad opposition to centralized authority; an opposition that comes from that very potential that you'd like to unleash upon millions of individuals.

Funny how ASoT talks about being a stoner most of their life and yet wants big papa govt. to go kicking down the doors of individuals who actually attempt to follow the laws. Perhaps they are just salty that they can't legally own a firearm in the US due to Line 21 E on the 4473? Something along the lines of "If I can't have one, no one can."...

Seems very much like it.