A gun in every house is a must

[Cannot think of a name]

I'm a big fan of legalization and not serial punishment usually of minorities under the guise of a 'war on drugs', but I've known a fair amount of people picked up for selling weed who didn't jump right to murder. That was a weird connection to make.

Well since it’s illegal, among other things like Murder, smuggled goods, etc, John under a Illegal weed government would be interacting and be working with most likely people who have committed more serious crimes. The best example of this was during the prohibition where people who smuggled Alcoholic drinks worked with crime bosses who killed people.

Alright dude, look...I smoked weed when it wasn't legal and hung out with other people who smoked and sold weed when it wasn't legal. The worst thing it led to was unauthorized murals.

[Kernen]

Why should it take that long?

And why train people? You truly don't need more than a review of the operators manual to safely keep and store a gun.

I'm not on the gun train, but the manual will tell you how to turn your BMW on, put it in gear, and operate the infotainment screen, but a weekend at the Bondurant school will teach you how to really drive it.

Since it's a BMW, though, no amount of training will teach you to use the fucking turn signal...

Sure, but guns are way less complicated than cars. It's why we can train high school drop outs to use them effectively in a span of weeks. You really can learn to operate one safely from a manual.

I think Chuck could walk you through the safety rules in about 2 paragraphs.

I feel you on the turn signals lol.

[Ifreann]

How many guns are there protecting the Capitol Building? That didn't make people stop and think about busting in and trying to overthrow the government.

To be fair, there weren't many guns used to defend the capitol building. And the guns outside probably outnumbered the guns inside.

Which only serves to further emphasise that having a gun in every household won't make a blind bit of difference.

[The Chuck]

Well since it’s illegal, among other things like Murder, smuggled goods, etc, John under a Illegal weed government would be interacting and be working with most likely people who have committed more serious crimes. The best example of this was during the prohibition where people who smuggled Alcoholic drinks worked with crime bosses who killed people.

Alright dude, look...I smoked weed when it wasn't legal and hung out with other people who smoked and sold weed when it wasn't legal. The worst thing it led to was unauthorized murals.

Saint Yosx obviously is doing some pretty darn impressive mental gymnastics to get from smoking a bit of wacky tobaccy to shooting someone dead in the streets.

[The Emerald Legion]

To be fair, there weren't many guns used to defend the capitol building. And the guns outside probably outnumbered the guns inside.

Which only serves to further emphasise that having a gun in every household won't make a blind bit of difference.

I'm not sure how you got to that conclusion.

[No State Here]

I'm not on the gun train, but the manual will tell you how to turn your BMW on, put it in gear, and operate the infotainment screen, but a weekend at the Bondurant school will teach you how to really drive it.

Since it's a BMW, though, no amount of training will teach you to use the fucking turn signal...

Sure, but guns are way less complicated than cars. It's why we can train high school drop outs to use them effectively in a span of weeks. You really can learn to operate one safely from a manual.

People who’ve never used guns often overestimate how difficult it is to operate, usually happens when I’m debating Europeans online. Since CTOAN is an American, I assume they’ve used a gun or have seen someone use a gun at some point(?)

[Nuroblav]

Not must, but should be available to people if they wish. I would place some restrictions the further up it gets (yeah, that specific ), but otherwise there you go. Then again, 1) my country doesn't really care about them that much, and 2) I wouldn't bother to own one anyway.

[Saint Yosx]

Well if John really wanted a gun he would wait the amount of time (it should take at least 3-5 weeks) and after receiving trading and a background check he would have a gun. Guns are not and I just think it shouldn’t be as easy as one two three to get them.

Why should it take that long?

And why train people? You truly don't need more than a review of the operators manual to safely keep and store a gun.

A gun is not like a chair or IKEA furniture. Worst thing that can happen when I don’t follow the manual on how to build a chair, I have a weirdly shaped and unstable chair. Worst case if somebody doesn’t follow the instructions to how to properly work a gun and someone can die. The thing is I can’t just read a 3 page manual on how to use a gun, and be like “I should own a gun”. No this thing can kill somebody.

[The Emerald Legion]

Why should it take that long?

And why train people? You truly don't need more than a review of the operators manual to safely keep and store a gun.

A gun is not like a chair or IKEA furniture. Worst thing that can happen when I don’t follow the manual on how to build a chair, I have a weirdly shaped and unstable chair. Worst case if somebody doesn’t follow the instructions to how to properly work a gun and someone can die. The thing is I can’t just read a 3 page manual on how to use a gun, and be like “I should own a gun”. No this thing can kill somebody.

Until you literally impale someone on a foot long piece of metal because the chair collapses beneath them.

[Kernen]

Why should it take that long?

And why train people? You truly don't need more than a review of the operators manual to safely keep and store a gun.

A gun is not like a chair or IKEA furniture. Worst thing that can happen when I don’t follow the manual on how to build a chair, I have a weirdly shaped and unstable chair. Worst case if somebody doesn’t follow the instructions to how to properly work a gun and someone can die. The thing is I can’t just read a 3 page manual on how to use a gun, and be like “I should own a gun”. No this thing can kill somebody.

Having owned firearms, an ikea chair is much more complicated to operate than a gun.

If you operate your firearm unsafely, there are civil and criminal repercussions. Thus an incentive exists to do so safely. As such, there's really no need to enforce additional training, especially since I could teach you to handle a gun safely in 20 minutes. You can absolutely use a gun safely based on a 3 page manual.

[Galloism]

Why should it take that long?

And why train people? You truly don't need more than a review of the operators manual to safely keep and store a gun.

A gun is not like a chair or IKEA furniture. Worst thing that can happen when I don’t follow the manual on how to build a chair, I have a weirdly shaped and unstable chair. Worst case if somebody doesn’t follow the instructions to how to properly work a gun and someone can die. The thing is I can’t just read a 3 page manual on how to use a gun, and be like “I should own a gun”. No this thing can kill somebody.

Actually, worst thing that can happen if you don't follow the manual on how to build a chair is an elderly person dies when they try to use it and it collapses.

I mean, that's pretty unlikely, but that's probably the worst thing that can happen.

[The Chuck]

Sure, but guns are way less complicated than cars. It's why we can train high school drop outs to use them effectively in a span of weeks. You really can learn to operate one safely from a manual.

I think Chuck could walk you through the safety rules in about 2 paragraphs.

Ye of little faith... I can do it with bullet points.

• Treat every firearm as if it were loaded.
• Always point the muzzle (end of the barrel) in a safe direction (never point it at another person dumbass)
• Know your target and what is behind your target (Don't shoot into a row of trees without knowing what is behind that row of trees and knowing no one is back there, Dick Cheney)
• Always keep your finger off the trigger and out of the trigger well until your sights are aligned and you are ready to shoot.

Ta-Da. The 4 Golden rules of firearms safety.

[Saint Yosx]

Well since it’s illegal, among other things like Murder, smuggled goods, etc, John under a Illegal weed government would be interacting and be working with most likely people who have committed more serious crimes. The best example of this was during the prohibition where people who smuggled Alcoholic drinks worked with crime bosses who killed people.

Alright dude, look...I smoked weed when it wasn't legal and hung out with other people who smoked and sold weed when it wasn't legal. The worst thing it led to was unauthorized murals.

No offense but your a small case in a bigger statistic. Yes your experience may hold some value in proving or disproving my point, however you don’t represent everybody. The fact of the matter is crime needs to more serious crime.

[Cannot think of a name]

Sure, but guns are way less complicated than cars. It's why we can train high school drop outs to use them effectively in a span of weeks. You really can learn to operate one safely from a manual.

People who’ve never used guns often overestimate how difficult it is to operate, usually happens when I’m debating Europeans online. Since CTOAN is an American, I assume they’ve used a gun or have seen someone use a gun at some point(?)

I am apparently a bit of a natural with a rifle but completely hopeless with a pistol which, since I'm left handed, are uncomfortable to use anyway. The rifle being oriented backwards wasn't great either.

But I wouldn't confuse my ability to point the gun in roughly the direction I want the bullet to go and firing it constitutes actual knowledge of its use in the same way I wouldn't say someone putting a car in gear and aiming it down the road as being able to drive.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Why should it take that long?

And why train people? You truly don't need more than a review of the operators manual to safely keep and store a gun.

A gun is not like a chair or IKEA furniture. Worst thing that can happen when I don’t follow the manual on how to build a chair, I have a weirdly shaped and unstable chair. Worst case if somebody doesn’t follow the instructions to how to properly work a gun and someone can die. The thing is I can’t just read a 3 page manual on how to use a gun, and be like “I should own a gun”. No this thing can kill somebody.

You vastly overestimate how complicated firearms are. As long as you know how to check if it's loaded and how to enable the safety you're pretty much good to go, and that doesn't take long at all to figure out.

[Kernen]

People who’ve never used guns often overestimate how difficult it is to operate, usually happens when I’m debating Europeans online. Since CTOAN is an American, I assume they’ve used a gun or have seen someone use a gun at some point(?)

I am apparently a bit of a natural with a rifle but completely hopeless with a pistol which, since I'm left handed, are uncomfortable to use anyway. The rifle being oriented backwards wasn't great either.

But I wouldn't confuse my ability to point the gun in roughly the direction I want the bullet to go and firing it constitutes actual knowledge of its use in the same way I wouldn't say someone putting a car in gear and aiming it down the road as being able to drive.

No, you've about gotten it.

Skill with a gun isn't safety or operational knowledge. Operational knowledge is as simple as knowing what Chuck posted above and knowing how to use the safety switch, how to cycle a round, and how to remove the magazine.

[Cannot think of a name]

Alright dude, look...I smoked weed when it wasn't legal and hung out with other people who smoked and sold weed when it wasn't legal. The worst thing it led to was unauthorized murals.

No offense but your a small case in a bigger statistic. Yes your experience may hold some value in proving or disproving my point, however you don’t represent everybody. The fact of the matter is crime needs to more serious crime.

This would be something you could prove with a statistic.

Most of the violence linked with drug prohibition isn't going to be linked to some dude in a baja selling twamps to record store employees graduating to murder as it is organized criminals trying to profit from the black market. These are two separate concepts.

[Galloism]

No offense but your a small case in a bigger statistic. Yes your experience may hold some value in proving or disproving my point, however you don’t represent everybody. The fact of the matter is crime needs to more serious crime.

This would be something you could prove with a statistic.

Most of the violence linked with drug prohibition isn't going to be linked to some dude in a baja selling twamps to record store employees graduating to murder as it is organized criminals trying to profit from the black market. These are two separate concepts.

The point CTOAN is making is that weed is a fairly harmless substance all around (some caveats) - most of the bad effects from weed actually stem from the fact that it's illegal, not something inherent to the plant.

[Saint Yosx]

No offense but your a small case in a bigger statistic. Yes your experience may hold some value in proving or disproving my point, however you don’t represent everybody. The fact of the matter is crime needs to more serious crime.

This would be something you could prove with a statistic.

Most of the violence linked with drug prohibition isn't going to be linked to some dude in a baja selling twamps to record store employees graduating to murder as it is organized criminals trying to profit from the black market. These are two separate concepts.

However they are both concepts that are very similar, they both involve a product, which was illegiazied, and changed how the product looked and tasted like after it was illegal.

[The Chuck]

No offense but your a small case in a bigger statistic. Yes your experience may hold some value in proving or disproving my point, however you don’t represent everybody. The fact of the matter is crime needs to more serious crime.

This would be something you could prove with a statistic.

Most of the violence linked with drug prohibition isn't going to be linked to some dude in a baja selling twamps to record store employees graduating to murder as it is organized criminals trying to profit from the black market. These are two separate concepts.

Should note but CTOAN admitting to smoking weed does actually prohibit him from lawfully purchasing a firearm under Section 21 E of the ATF Form 4473 filled out with every purchase of a firearm through a store.

[Cannot think of a name]

This would be something you could prove with a statistic.

Most of the violence linked with drug prohibition isn't going to be linked to some dude in a baja selling twamps to record store employees graduating to murder as it is organized criminals trying to profit from the black market. These are two separate concepts.

The point CTOAN is making is that weed is a fairly harmless substance all around (some caveats) - most of the bad effects from weed actually stem from the fact that it's illegal, not something inherent to the plant.

Well, not precisely. This stems from his premise that someone gets arrested for selling weed, goes to jail, graduates to murder. So he is arguing that the escalation is related to illegality, but he's made the connection in a weird place.

[Tsarus]

Guns are a right.

Back in the day, everyone had swords. Even in the tyrannical Roman Empire, everyone carried with them a sword.
It's criminal that this is not the case with today. The fact that people are not armed with competent weaponry, I mean.
What will these guns be used for? It's up to them. They can use it for whatever the hell they need it for.

Political militias on the rise? Good. This modern world has inhibited our ability, our long preceding ability, to fight for what we believe in.
If the result of allowing political militias is ensuing chaos which dismantles the world wide system we live in, good. Whatever makes room for these rights is a good thing.

[Cannot think of a name]

This would be something you could prove with a statistic.

Most of the violence linked with drug prohibition isn't going to be linked to some dude in a baja selling twamps to record store employees graduating to murder as it is organized criminals trying to profit from the black market. These are two separate concepts.

Should note but CTOAN admitting to smoking weed does actually prohibit him from lawfully purchasing a firearm under Section 21 E of the ATF Form 4473 filled out with every purchase of a firearm through a store.

Oh no...what have I done.

[Saint Yosx]

A gun is not like a chair or IKEA furniture. Worst thing that can happen when I don’t follow the manual on how to build a chair, I have a weirdly shaped and unstable chair. Worst case if somebody doesn’t follow the instructions to how to properly work a gun and someone can die. The thing is I can’t just read a 3 page manual on how to use a gun, and be like “I should own a gun”. No this thing can kill somebody.

You vastly overestimate how complicated firearms are. As long as you know how to check if it's loaded and how to enable the safety you're pretty much good to go, and that doesn't take long at all to figure out.

Ok, so what about when to use it? Or what's considered a threat or not? How do I determine that? There is an obvious fallacy in saying you can teach how to use a gun properly in a day or two.

[Cannot think of a name]

This would be something you could prove with a statistic.

Most of the violence linked with drug prohibition isn't going to be linked to some dude in a baja selling twamps to record store employees graduating to murder as it is organized criminals trying to profit from the black market. These are two separate concepts.

However they are both concepts that are very similar, they both involve a product, which was illegiazied, and changed how the product looked and tasted like after it was illegal.

...what?