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Postby Thepeopl » Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:27 am

Iwassoclose wrote:The proliferation of guns in the conservative sphere is such that there is never going to be any meaningful law or disarmament attempt by the government.

At the current moment, we have a massive growth of right wing and a small amount of left wing militias armed to the teeth and have no shame in walking around and threatening people with guns in the public sphere.

I think that every household should be encouraged to be gun owners to make MAD a strategy domestically, not just externally. So that people will instead stop and think maybe its not a good idea to make threats about going and shooting someone.

What do you say?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2759797/

You are more likely to be shot when you have a gun in your home.
Your children are more likely to be shot when there is a gun in the home

https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/ ... /e20163486

You are more likely to be shot by your child when there is a gun in your home

https://www.aftermath.com/content/accid ... tatistics/

Guns increase aggressive behaviour
https://www.rand.org/research/gun-polic ... crime.html

https://www.jstor.org/stable/1147506?seq=1

https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... nce-shows/

More guns is NOT the answer. Better regulation, better safety protocols and a trustworthy police force is.
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:35 am

Thepeopl wrote:You are more likely to be shot by your child when there is a gun in your home


But you're more likely to be stabbed by your child, with a kitchen knife, if there's NO gun in your home.

Kids will be sadistic murderers, you can't stop that. Except with a gun :D
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:20 am

Considering that it is far more likely that the gun in the house will be used on a member of the household than a "bad guy", making it compulsory for every household to have one seems rather...callous?
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:26 am

The New California Republic wrote:Considering that it is far more likely that the gun in the house will be used on a member of the household than a "bad guy", making it compulsory for every household to have one seems rather...callous?

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:27 am

The New California Republic wrote:Considering that it is far more likely that the gun in the house will be used on a member of the household than a "bad guy", making it compulsory for every household to have one seems rather...callous?

Especially since those who didn't want a gun but were forced to get one are going to be less zealous about it including care etc. "Where's the gun you're supposed to have?" "I don't fucking know...somewhere. That fucking thing..."
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Postby Arisyan » Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:29 am

I ve said this before and ill say it again: The answer to solving gun crime and crime in general is NOT giving people more guns! Honestly I don't see why anyone would think this is a good idea! If someone really, really wants a gun for some reason (maybe for hunting or sports) they should have to go through strict training and make sure they will not use it for massacre. Giving every single person a gun is not a good idea.
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Postby Agarntrop » Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:32 am

Arisyan wrote:I ve said this before and ill say it again: The answer to solving gun crime and crime in general is NOT giving people more guns! Honestly I don't see why anyone would think this is a good idea! If someone really, really wants a gun for some reason (maybe for hunting or sports) they should have to go through strict training and make sure they will not use it for massacre. Giving every single person a gun is not a good idea.

A lot of people want guns for self defence.
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:40 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Considering that it is far more likely that the gun in the house will be used on a member of the household than a "bad guy", making it compulsory for every household to have one seems rather...callous?

Especially since those who didn't want a gun but were forced to get one are going to be less zealous about it including care etc. "Where's the gun you're supposed to have?" "I don't fucking know...somewhere. That fucking thing..."


Exactly. It's pointless and dangerous to give guns to people who don't care about them enough to properly maintain both the gun and their skills.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:43 am

So you make the skills mandatory learning. Free college, but as part of that you have to go through basic military training.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:44 am

Iwassoclose wrote:The proliferation of guns in the conservative sphere is such that there is never going to be any meaningful law or disarmament attempt by the government.

At the current moment, we have a massive growth of right wing and a small amount of left wing militias armed to the teeth and have no shame in walking around and threatening people with guns in the public sphere.

I think that every household should be encouraged to be gun owners to make MAD a strategy domestically, not just externally. So that people will instead stop and think maybe its not a good idea to make threats about going and shooting someone.

What do you say?

How many guns are there protecting the Capitol Building? That didn't make people stop and think about busting in and trying to overthrow the government.
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Postby Agarntrop » Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:44 am

SD_Film Artists wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Especially since those who didn't want a gun but were forced to get one are going to be less zealous about it including care etc. "Where's the gun you're supposed to have?" "I don't fucking know...somewhere. That fucking thing..."


Exactly. It's pointless and dangerous to give guns to people who don't care about them enough to properly maintain both the gun and their skills.

even more dangerous to give them to Michael Ryan types who would go out and shoot at random people in the street.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:45 am

Ifreann wrote:
Iwassoclose wrote:The proliferation of guns in the conservative sphere is such that there is never going to be any meaningful law or disarmament attempt by the government.

At the current moment, we have a massive growth of right wing and a small amount of left wing militias armed to the teeth and have no shame in walking around and threatening people with guns in the public sphere.

I think that every household should be encouraged to be gun owners to make MAD a strategy domestically, not just externally. So that people will instead stop and think maybe its not a good idea to make threats about going and shooting someone.

What do you say?

How many guns are there protecting the Capitol Building? That didn't make people stop and think about busting in and trying to overthrow the government.


To be fair, there weren't many guns used to defend the capitol building. And the guns outside probably outnumbered the guns inside.
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Postby Insaanistan » Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:45 am

Because that’s how the insurrection happened... Americans have too few guns.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:46 am

Insaanistan wrote:Because that’s how the insurrection happened... Americans have too few guns.


Well, yes. The only ones who shot anyone at the riot were the police.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:48 am

Insaanistan wrote:Because that’s how the insurrection happened... Americans have too few guns.

Guns provide an inherently effective means of self-defense. Also, guns allow you to hunt, which is far, far more humane for the animal, not to mention the cost savings if you refine things. Plus, it can be Halal. What am I trying to say? I don't believe that taking guns from the people is a good idea.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:52 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:So you make the skills mandatory learning. Free college, but as part of that you have to go through basic military training.

Fuck that, first I have to own this fucking gun so you can have your hobby and now I have to go to your clubhouse where some no neck in camo pants yells at me about the care and use of this thing I didn't want in the first place? I'd shoot myself just to fucking get a break.

And no, not all gun enthusiasts are no necks with camo pants, but you know that'd be the guy who volunteers to yell at the 'liberal pussies' that have to own guns now.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:53 am

But at the same time, forcing people to have guns is just dumb.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:55 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:So you make the skills mandatory learning. Free college, but as part of that you have to go through basic military training.

Or you know... not infringe on civil liberties? Not everyone wants a gun. I personally love guns. I own guns. But forcing that passion on someone else is plain idiotic. Educate people on guns if you want people to have them. If they decide voluntarily to get one, then it'll be more worthwhile as they will respect their firearm better, and thus take better precautions.
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:56 am

Agarntrop wrote:
SD_Film Artists wrote:
Exactly. It's pointless and dangerous to give guns to people who don't care about them enough to properly maintain both the gun and their skills.

even more dangerous to give them to Michael Ryan types who would go out and shoot at random people in the street.


Is it either or? There are other options such as increasing the strictness of the licencing or having proper gun control.
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Postby Insaanistan » Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:59 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:Because that’s how the insurrection happened... Americans have too few guns.

Guns provide an inherently effective means of self-defense. Also, guns allow you to hunt, which is far, far more humane for the animal, not to mention the cost savings if you refine things. Plus, it can be Halal. What am I trying to say? I don't believe that taking guns from the people is a good idea.

Not saying we should take people’s guns. Am saying that it’s concerning someone was just arrested at the capitol after the riot possessing a gun and 500 rounds.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:59 am

SD_Film Artists wrote:
Agarntrop wrote:even more dangerous to give them to Michael Ryan types who would go out and shoot at random people in the street.


Is it either or? There are other options such as increasing the strictness of the licencing or having proper gun control.

What is your definition of 'proper gun control'?
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Postby Nova Bromelia » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:01 am

Not outright saying yes or no, but, as somebody with a form of chronic depression, I think I know what would have happened, had I had a gun readily available in my house, during any one of a series of mentally dark days.

So, I probably shouldn't have one. And really, only people who are mentally stable in all regards, should be allowed to own guns, and only after at least a quick background check, and only if they are certified for safely handling them.

Active membership of a (WELL REGULATED!) militia might be good grounds for a certification. In that case, though, the gun should be registered with that militia.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:01 am

Insaanistan wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Guns provide an inherently effective means of self-defense. Also, guns allow you to hunt, which is far, far more humane for the animal, not to mention the cost savings if you refine things. Plus, it can be Halal. What am I trying to say? I don't believe that taking guns from the people is a good idea.

Not saying we should take people’s guns. Am saying that it’s concerning someone was just arrested at the capitol after the riot possessing a gun and 500 rounds.
If you need 500 to hit the deer, switch to fishing.

Most nuts and psychos bring a large amount of rounds with them, presumably to have some epic shootout with the authorities after they're done doing their thing.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:02 am

Nova Bromelia wrote:Not outright saying yes or no, but, as somebody with a form of chronic depression, I think I know what would have happened, had I had a gun readily available in my house, during any one of a series of mentally dark days.

So, I probably shouldn't have one. And really, only people who are mentally stable in all regards, should be allowed to own guns, and only after at least a quick background check, and only if they are certified for safely handling them.

Active membership of a (WELL REGULATED!) militia might be good grounds for a certification. In that case, though, the gun should be registered with that militia.

Well registration is becoming a moot point now, what with advances in 3D printing guns and CNC milling them from home. The knowledge barrier has been reduced substantially, with nothing stopping a determined person from making their own gun at home except time, money, and ingenuity.
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