American Politics III: New President, Same Old Country

[San Lumen]

McConnell and Schumer are nearing a power-sharing agreement to hash out how the divided chamber will operate, with Democrats in charge of setting the schedule but both parties likely to hold an equal number of seats on Senate committees

I think that’s similar to the agreement reached after the 2000 election. The first time ever the senate was tied.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Singapore has a very high HDI and is ranked #11. One reason Singapore has achieved this is by speaking softly and carrying a big stick. People have more respect for laws in Singapore than in the USA. I don't see huge migrant flotillas trying to invade Singapore.

They kind of do actually, which you would know if you were ever stuck for 3 hours at border control. Each day a huge amount of migrant workers come in from Malaysia to do menial work.

Didn't Singapore have COVID19 under control at first and then it started erupting in migrant worker camps?

[Bombadil]

For all those who complain about the attack on American values and use t to justify their anti-Left stance, just realise it's a designed step on the road to radicalisation that lead to the events on the 6th..

“The point of discussion you should focus on is the blatant anti-white agenda that is being aggressively pushed from every institution in the country, as well as white demographic decline and its consequences.”

The document concludes with its author stating: “Big Tech made a serious mistake by banishing conservatives to the one place [Telegram] where we have unfettered access to them, and that’s a mistake they’ll come to regret!”

The document is named the “comprehensive redpill guide”, a reference to the online term red-pilling, used to describe a conversion to extreme far-right views.

The document adds: “Not every normie can be redpilled, but if they’re receptive and open-minded to hearing what you have to say, you should gradually be sending them edgier pro-white/anti-Zionist content as they move along in their journey.”

Another white nationalist recruitment guide uncovered by Tech Against Terrorism, which is working with global tech firms to tackle terrorist use of the internet, shares seven steps of “conservative conversion”.

“To them ‘Nazism’ is the worst thing possible. So having a swastika as a pfp [picture for profile] or your name being “heilhitler88” will automatically turn them off,” states the guide.

It adds: “Ask them questions such as: ‘What are conservatives conserving? Why are we losing? Is it a coincidence that Hollywood, corporations and media are all against us? Who is responsible?’ (Don’t go into Jews controlling everything, they worship Ben Shapiro [US conservative commentator], they need to come across that idea themselves).”

Don't know if the Left has such clear steps using deception to radicalise people to their cause.

[Nakena]

American exceptionalism came to an end at january the 7th.

American exceptionalism is like unicorns. It's a fairy tale that never existed.

But a lot of people did believe in it. Even if only subconciously.

[Comerciante]

They kind of do actually, which you would know if you were ever stuck for 3 hours at border control. Each day a huge amount of migrant workers come in from Malaysia to do menial work.

It's also illegal to cross the border into Malaysia to fill up on cheaper petrol.

However plenty of countries deal with immigration without needing such draconian measures. It's not necessary. Surprising how a libertarian supports the state in cracking down so harshly on laws. Sounds rather authoritarian.

He said he supported labor camps and flogging. Hes as libertarian as Julius Caesar.

No, no he said we are going to be nicer about it than the other nations which make it a lot better than those guys! promise.

[Chan Island]

Torture is bad, not only due to the inherent immorality of it but also because it's ineffective. I think we know enough about psychology these days to get people to talk without going Ramsey Bolton on them.

Why? People should have the right to be bigots. Do you want to force people to have the same opinion as you? What about someone that might have a reason to dislike another group? Imagine someone who lived in Nanjing and was raped by Japanese soldiers during the Nanjing Massacre. Should that person be forced to serve Japanese customers if they enter her store? What about a man who had a wife raped and tortured and killed by a group of white men? Should that business owner be forced to serve white men? People have different life experiences and may have a reason for being bigots.

Discourage bigotry but don't regulate it (at least for private businesses).

You are an idealist but idealism can be dangerous. I think about young idealistic students in 1960's China that beat their teachers and beat monks for not being communist enough. These students just loved their nation and wanted the teachers and monks to think like them and support Maoist thoughts. They were idealistic but tyrannical as well.

Fifty years on, one of Mao’s ‘little generals’ exposes horror of the Cultural Revolution

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... revolution

*** Warned for flaming ***. You made it personal with that underlined phrase above.

Sorry if I've missed something but since when is it flaming to call someone an idealist? Doesn't strike me as a very insulting term in... any situation.

EDIT: though I should say that that is a pretty flame-y post overall, just curious why that one line was underlined.

[Vapormancer]

Acting Sec. of Defense Christopher Miller says ‘no intelligence indicating an insider threat’ to inauguration


he said the same thing about the capitol storming
$10 says there's an FBI report out about it and he hasn't read it

I'm glad to see after decrying law enforcement as systemically racist, you immediately begin taking their opinions at face value.

[Bombadil]

They kind of do actually, which you would know if you were ever stuck for 3 hours at border control. Each day a huge amount of migrant workers come in from Malaysia to do menial work.

Didn't Singapore have COVID19 under control at first and then it started erupting in migrant worker camps?

Sort of, both HK and SG support their high cost of living and economy by having maids, which means both parents can work. In HK the maids tend to stay in the apartment - and I've seen some heinous sleeping arrangements given the small size of HK apartments - whereas in SG they're in dormitories. It's those dormitories where the virus outbreak occurred.

[Vapormancer]

The amount of shite being spouted in this thread the last day, like seriously. Now segregation should be legal what a joke

Freiheit's a closet racist with cryptofascist tendencies using libertarian rhetoric to justify it all. He's already established this despite his vehement attempts to deny the obvious. I don't know why it's a big shock anymore.

And just who do you think your precious Uncle Sam is? He is pulling pages right out of old Adolfo's playbook to run death squads from Syria to Afghanistan. Burning crops to starve locals and engaging in a race based game in Afghanistan. It is really rather pathetic the American posturing when its in service of such a monster :^)

[Nakena]

For all those who complain about the attack on American values and use t to justify their anti-Left stance, just realise it's a designed step on the road to radicalisation that lead to the events on the 6th..

“The point of discussion you should focus on is the blatant anti-white agenda that is being aggressively pushed from every institution in the country, as well as white demographic decline and its consequences.”

The document concludes with its author stating: “Big Tech made a serious mistake by banishing conservatives to the one place [Telegram] where we have unfettered access to them, and that’s a mistake they’ll come to regret!”

The document is named the “comprehensive redpill guide”, a reference to the online term red-pilling, used to describe a conversion to extreme far-right views.

The document adds: “Not every normie can be redpilled, but if they’re receptive and open-minded to hearing what you have to say, you should gradually be sending them edgier pro-white/anti-Zionist content as they move along in their journey.”

Another white nationalist recruitment guide uncovered by Tech Against Terrorism, which is working with global tech firms to tackle terrorist use of the internet, shares seven steps of “conservative conversion”.

“To them ‘Nazism’ is the worst thing possible. So having a swastika as a pfp [picture for profile] or your name being “heilhitler88” will automatically turn them off,” states the guide.

It adds: “Ask them questions such as: ‘What are conservatives conserving? Why are we losing? Is it a coincidence that Hollywood, corporations and media are all against us? Who is responsible?’ (Don’t go into Jews controlling everything, they worship Ben Shapiro [US conservative commentator], they need to come across that idea themselves).”

Don't know if the Left has such clear steps using deception to radicalise people to their cause.

Hey Bombadil.... please. add a links to sauce in your post. It's not that I don't believe you but I'd like to read the rest of it without having to google it myself.

[Vapormancer]

While the other side is erroneously told that their rainbow multiracial paradise devoid of anything white, capitalist, or religious is under attack by a “Nazi majority”, disgruntled crusaders, and Appalachian lynch mobs. They seem just as angry to me.

Not really, instead of 'under attack' it's that the system heavily favours the Walton vision American, they're simply fighting for better equality and justice for all. What makes them angry is continued examples of this system in denial, it causes a very different reaction to feeling 'under attack'.

I am very glad to see Bombadill that you are yet again blindly repeating the government line, though instead of being the Mainland Chinese Government line, now it is the same line of those who got us into Iraq and Afghanistan. Tell me, will it take Uncle Sam arresting your colleagues for you to see reason as it did with the last authoritarian government you threw your support behind?

[Bombadil]

Hey Bombadil.... please. add a links to sauce in your post. It's not that I don't believe you but I'd like to read the rest of it without having to google it myself.

There you go.. link

[Vapormancer]

For all those who complain about the attack on American values and use t to justify their anti-Left stance, just realise it's a designed step on the road to radicalisation that lead to the events on the 6th..

“The point of discussion you should focus on is the blatant anti-white agenda that is being aggressively pushed from every institution in the country, as well as white demographic decline and its consequences.”

The document concludes with its author stating: “Big Tech made a serious mistake by banishing conservatives to the one place [Telegram] where we have unfettered access to them, and that’s a mistake they’ll come to regret!”

The document is named the “comprehensive redpill guide”, a reference to the online term red-pilling, used to describe a conversion to extreme far-right views.

The document adds: “Not every normie can be redpilled, but if they’re receptive and open-minded to hearing what you have to say, you should gradually be sending them edgier pro-white/anti-Zionist content as they move along in their journey.”

Another white nationalist recruitment guide uncovered by Tech Against Terrorism, which is working with global tech firms to tackle terrorist use of the internet, shares seven steps of “conservative conversion”.

“To them ‘Nazism’ is the worst thing possible. So having a swastika as a pfp [picture for profile] or your name being “heilhitler88” will automatically turn them off,” states the guide.

It adds: “Ask them questions such as: ‘What are conservatives conserving? Why are we losing? Is it a coincidence that Hollywood, corporations and media are all against us? Who is responsible?’ (Don’t go into Jews controlling everything, they worship Ben Shapiro [US conservative commentator], they need to come across that idea themselves).”

Don't know if the Left has such clear steps using deception to radicalise people to their cause.

Why would they? They are favored by the state apparatus. You do not need to propagandize in secret when you have the authority and ability to burn down half the country and the fine fellow here on NSG or more importantly on TV will say "fiery but mostly peaceful!". This is a tactic used by dissidents disliked by the State. We will see if it works like in the Soviet Union or we have ideological ghettos as the Chinese established.

[Freiheit Reich]

Why? People should have the right to be bigots. Do you want to force people to have the same opinion as you? What about someone that might have a reason to dislike another group? Imagine someone who lived in Nanjing and was raped by Japanese soldiers during the Nanjing Massacre. Should that person be forced to serve Japanese customers if they enter her store? What about a man who had a wife raped and tortured and killed by a group of white men? Should that business owner be forced to serve white men? People have different life experiences and may have a reason for being bigots.

Discourage bigotry but don't regulate it (at least for private businesses).

You are an idealist but idealism can be dangerous. I think about young idealistic students in 1960's China that beat their teachers and beat monks for not being communist enough. These students just loved their nation and wanted the teachers and monks to think like them and support Maoist thoughts. They were idealistic but tyrannical as well.

Fifty years on, one of Mao’s ‘little generals’ exposes horror of the Cultural Revolution

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... revolution

*** Warned for flaming ***. You made it personal with that underlined phrase above.

I thought being an idealist was positive. I didn't mean it in a mean way. It is nice to have ideals as long as we accept that not everybody shares our same ideals.

[Bombadil]

Not really, instead of 'under attack' it's that the system heavily favours the Walton vision American, they're simply fighting for better equality and justice for all. What makes them angry is continued examples of this system in denial, it causes a very different reaction to feeling 'under attack'.

I am very glad to see Bombadill that you are yet again blindly repeating the government line, though instead of being the Mainland Chinese Government line, now it is the same line of those who got us into Iraq and Afghanistan. Tell me, will it take Uncle Sam arresting your colleagues for you to see reason as it did with the last authoritarian government you threw your support behind?

I don't know what your schtick is with me, given I've already evidenced that I never supported the Chinese government, I said the US should be worried about their leading edge in technology such as 5G and AI, which you threw some sort of hissy fit over and have continuously and misleadingly distorted - I said in the very post you referred to that I was no fan of the CCP.

So can you get over something that was, like, 5 or 6 years ago?

[Nakena]

Hey Bombadil.... please. add a links to sauce in your post. It's not that I don't believe you but I'd like to read the rest of it without having to google it myself.

There you go.. link

Thanks. I found this one but it says it's in turn based on an article on the Observer whomst I cannot find but supposedly the observer had full insight into the documents which they in return got from the group "Tech Against Terrorism" which according to the Guardian article belongs to the UN. I wonder if the observer is going to publish what they found.

[Freiheit Reich]

Singapore has a very high HDI and is ranked #11. One reason Singapore has achieved this is by speaking softly and carrying a big stick. People have more respect for laws in Singapore than in the USA. I don't see huge migrant flotillas trying to invade Singapore.

http://hdr.undp.org/en/countries/profiles/SGP

Penalties for Illegal Immigration and Overstaying in Singapore

https://singaporelegaladvice.com/law-ar ... singapore/

Penalties for illegal immigration and related offences
Under the Immigration Act, a person found to have illegally entered or left Singapore without a valid pass or entry permit is punishable with a jail term of up to 6 months and at least 3 strokes of the cane (or a fine of up to $6,000 if the offender cannot be caned, such as where the offender is above 50 years old, or female).

For using or possessing forged or altered entry permits, passes or visas and/or making a false statement to obtain such documents, the punishment is a fine of up to $4,000 and/or a jail term of up to 12 months, respectively.

Countries Abroad Punish Illegal Entry More Harshly Than US (I am actually suggesting a light sentence-more than one year is too strict)

https://www.limitstogrowth.org/articles ... y-than-us/

Jumping the border in Singapore is punishable by six months in prison — and not less than three strokes with a cane.

In Russia, it can earn you up to two years in a prison labor camp.

Pakistan goes as high as 10 years in prison, while India allows for up to eight years behind bars for those who sneak across its boundaries.

Yes, we get you like beating people with sticks. We don't need the whole history about it.

I don't like it. I want people to obey the law and not illegally immigrate or overstay their visas.

[Vapormancer]

I am very glad to see Bombadill that you are yet again blindly repeating the government line, though instead of being the Mainland Chinese Government line, now it is the same line of those who got us into Iraq and Afghanistan. Tell me, will it take Uncle Sam arresting your colleagues for you to see reason as it did with the last authoritarian government you threw your support behind?

I don't know what your schtick is with me, given I've already evidenced that I never supported the Chinese government, I said the US should be worried about their leading edge in technology such as 5G and AI, which you threw some sort of hissy fit over and have continuously and misleadingly distorted - I said in the very post you referred to that I was no fan of the CCP.

So can you get over something that was, like, 5 or 6 years ago?

No, you repeated the party line and now you repeat the party line now for the States. When will you learn this is an unwise position to hold and that people who are very unpleasant are behind them? You are now on the same side as Herr Wolfowitz, Mr. Frum and the various organs of the intelligence agencies of the US. This doesn't give you any pause about what you support?

[Bombadil]

Why would they? They are favored by the state apparatus. You do not need to propagandize in secret when you have the authority and ability to burn down half the country and the fine fellow here on NSG or more importantly on TV will say "fiery but mostly peaceful!". This is a tactic used by dissidents disliked by the State. We will see if it works like in the Soviet Union or we have ideological ghettos as the Chinese established.

The police are 3 times more likely to crack down violently on left wing protests over right wing, and 3.5 times more likely when that protest is entirely peaceful.

Seems to me the state very much prefers one side over the other.

[Heloin]

Yes, we get you like beating people with sticks. We don't need the whole history about it.

I don't like it. I want people to obey the law and not illegally immigrate or overstay their visas.

No, you just want to enslave people for entering a country. That's so much better...

[Valrifell]

Why would they? They are favored by the state apparatus. You do not need to propagandize in secret when you have the authority and ability to burn down half the country and the fine fellow here on NSG or more importantly on TV will say "fiery but mostly peaceful!". This is a tactic used by dissidents disliked by the State. We will see if it works like in the Soviet Union or we have ideological ghettos as the Chinese established.

The police are 3 times more likely to crack down violently on left wing protests over right wing, and 3.5 times more likely when that protest is entirely peaceful.

Seems to me the state very much prefers one side over the other.

Oh you trust stats? That leftist conspiracy? G'faw!

[Comerciante]

I don't like it. I want people to obey the law and not illegally immigrate or overstay their visas.

Then you wouldn't be pedaling it out like hotcakes as though it were an effective way to handle the situation or trying to push the narrative that the people who utilize these systems are on to something when a simple search clearly states they're not.

[Vapormancer]

Why would they? They are favored by the state apparatus. You do not need to propagandize in secret when you have the authority and ability to burn down half the country and the fine fellow here on NSG or more importantly on TV will say "fiery but mostly peaceful!". This is a tactic used by dissidents disliked by the State. We will see if it works like in the Soviet Union or we have ideological ghettos as the Chinese established.

The police are 3 times more likely to crack down violently on left wing protests over right wing, and 3.5 times more likely when that protest is entirely peaceful.

Seems to me the state very much prefers one side over the other.

Ah yes, a "study". So one can torch the magnificent mile, burn half of DC, riot repeatedly and be let go but there is suddenly a nationwide manhunt for those who wandered about the Capitol. Don't make me laugh. Your comparisons are pathetic. But I suppose I ought to thank those like you for accelerating the pace of history. Afterall, we could not get the Capitol events without your normalization of political violence.

[Kowani]

Acting Sec. of Defense Christopher Miller says ‘no intelligence indicating an insider threat’ to inauguration


he said the same thing about the capitol storming
$10 says there's an FBI report out about it and he hasn't read it

I'm glad to see after decrying law enforcement as systemically racist, you immediately begin taking their opinions at face value.

...
i don't know how you read that in my post, when it is quite clear I believe he is wrong, but congratulations?

[Vapormancer]

The police are 3 times more likely to crack down violently on left wing protests over right wing, and 3.5 times more likely when that protest is entirely peaceful.

Seems to me the state very much prefers one side over the other.

Oh you trust stats? That leftist conspiracy? G'faw!

What statistics? Did they use the phone tracking tech to find those who torched Kenosha or the "murder-hole" in Portland or Seattle? The response is overwhelming and onesided. Though I shouldn't be surprised at such hypocrisy. It is quite a bad position to be in to cry "I'm weak" while deploying the security state for your own means.