American Politics III: New President, Same Old Country

[Gravlen]

That show was great fun, but it was a fantasy, and too many failed to understand that. Fuck, even judges have argued (wrongly) that since torture worked in 24, it should be acceptable (in the real world).

God damnit.

And we wonder how people can be silly enough to taken in by QAnon conspiracy theories, election fraud claims, or anti-vaxx bullshit.

I think 24 would have been a even more interesting show if the first time he tries to torture someone it doesn't work and then they never do it again because torture doesn't work.

Yeah, or if people died because they relied on intelligence obtained through torture.

I liked that they showed signs of fatigue and hunger in the first season though, it made it a tight thriller when everything felt like it was true to time. However, they quickly forgot about realism afterwards...

[Kowani]

I think 24 would have been a even more interesting show if the first time he tries to torture someone it doesn't work and then they never do it again because torture doesn't work.

While I find it disgusting torture does work. A skilled interrogator can get nearly anyone to break. Nearly everyone has a limit that they can’t stretch beyond.

torture works
at getting you useless info

[Nejii]

No, Rainbow Six is the worst of the pre-9/11 books. The Bear and The Dragon is at least entertaining and hilarious even if it isn't meant to be.

I missed out Rainbow Six. Only played one of the games. I read The Bear and The Dragon after Executive Orders. But i found it not as interesting so i didn bothered much with Clancy afterwards.

Ghost Recon and Splinter Cell are my favorites so far, but I’ll look into Executive Order...

[Xanthal]

That show was great fun, but it was a fantasy, and too many failed to understand that. Fuck, even judges have argued (wrongly) that since torture worked in 24, it should be acceptable (in the real world).

God damnit.

And we wonder how people can be silly enough to taken in by QAnon conspiracy theories, election fraud claims, or anti-vaxx bullshit.

I wasn't being facetious when I named this phenomenon psychosis in the last thread. There are large groups of politically active people in this country who have literally lost the ability to distinguish fantasy from reality.

Disgruntled right-wingers are wanting it to be that way.

That's because their perception has been so twisted by a nonstop barrage of content casting the Democrats as agents of Satan that they see demons and conspiracy everywhere.

[Nakena]

I missed out Rainbow Six. Only played one of the games. I read The Bear and The Dragon after Executive Orders. But i found it not as interesting so i didn bothered much with Clancy afterwards.

Ghost Recon and Splinter Cell are my favorites so far, but I’ll look into Executive Order...

It's good if you want to get an mindset in pre-9/11 mindset and ideal-self picture of the US

[Nejii]

That's because their perception has been so twisted by a nonstop barrage of content casting the Democrats as agents of Satan that they see demons and conspiracy everywhere.

That is a very sad, very true point. Trump and his retinue have definitely warped the Republican Party and their right-wing base.

[The Marlborough]

No, Rainbow Six is the worst of the pre-9/11 books. The Bear and The Dragon is at least entertaining and hilarious even if it isn't meant to be.

I missed out Rainbow Six. Only played one of the games. I read The Bear and The Dragon after Executive Orders. But i found it not as interesting so i didn bothered much with Clancy afterwards.

Rainbow Six is literally about a bunch of vegan, deep ecology terrorists that try to use the Sydney Olympics to wipe out humanity with a super virus while they hide out in the Amazon rainforest to repopulate humanity.

[Heloin]

I think 24 would have been a even more interesting show if the first time he tries to torture someone it doesn't work and then they never do it again because torture doesn't work.

While I find it disgusting torture does work. A skilled interrogator can get nearly anyone to break. Nearly everyone has a limit that they can’t stretch beyond.

Torture never works because every single person will break. It just that means any information you will get is absolutely useless because people don't answer real questions when being tortured, they say what the torturer wants them to say. It's a lie that people can resilient against torture they aren't, but if I truly don't know where the bomb is why would you believe me if you're torturing me for an answer? Torture has nothing to do with interrogation.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

I missed out Rainbow Six. Only played one of the games. I read The Bear and The Dragon after Executive Orders. But i found it not as interesting so i didn bothered much with Clancy afterwards.

Rainbow Six is literally about a bunch of vegan, deep ecology terrorists that try to use the Sydney Olympics to wipe out humanity with a super virus while they hide out in the Amazon rainforest to repopulate humanity.

Well that's about the stupidest plot I've ever heard of.

[Gravlen]

I think 24 would have been a even more interesting show if the first time he tries to torture someone it doesn't work and then they never do it again because torture doesn't work.

While I find it disgusting torture does work. A skilled interrogator can get nearly anyone to break. Nearly everyone has a limit that they can’t stretch beyond.

A skilled interrogator can get nearly anyone to break. A skilled torturer don't, because torture doesn't work.

[Nejii]

While I find it disgusting torture does work. A skilled interrogator can get nearly anyone to break. Nearly everyone has a limit that they can’t stretch beyond.

torture works
at getting you useless info

I’d like evidence of this. Preferably not something written by a Berkeley psychology professor or a hack writer for The New York Times.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

While I find it disgusting torture does work. A skilled interrogator can get nearly anyone to break. Nearly everyone has a limit that they can’t stretch beyond.

Torture never works because every single person will break. It just that means any information you will get is absolutely useless because people don't answer real questions when being tortured, they say what the torturer wants them to say. It's a lie that people can resilient against torture they aren't, but if I truly don't know where the bomb is why would you believe me if you're torturing me for an answer? Torture has nothing to do with interrogation.

Torture is about getting off on the torture. It's about revenge/power fantasies and sadism. Nothing more.

[Gravlen]

While I find it disgusting torture does work. A skilled interrogator can get nearly anyone to break. Nearly everyone has a limit that they can’t stretch beyond.

torture works
at getting you useless info

Torture works if you're not after useful intelligence. Torture sends a message, instills fear and terror, can pacify individuals, etc.

[Comerciante]

torture works
at getting you useless info

Torture works if you're not after useful intelligence. Torture sends a message, instills fear and terror, can pacify individuals, etc.

Fear is a terrible weapon.

It always backfires into resolve.

Which then becomes more people to fight.

[San Lumen]

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ ... 202195001/

Republicans are seeking to replace the canvasser on the state board who voted to certify the election. Should he not be renominated the party has three nominees for the Governor to chose from one of whom said she would have voted not to certify the election

Linda Lee tarver one of the nominee said No election after 2020 should be considered fair unless we get this right this year,” Tarver said during the hearing the board held last year.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Torture works if you're not after useful intelligence. Torture sends a message, instills fear and terror, can pacify individuals, etc.

Fear is a terrible weapon.

It always backfires into resolve.

Which then becomes more people to fight.

*looks at North Korea*

...Uh, sure.

[Nakena]

Fear is a terrible weapon.

It always backfires into resolve.

Which then becomes more people to fight.

*looks at North Korea*

...Uh, sure.

Don't remind me at the bizarre torture fantasies involving Kim's sister that even spread across NSG

[Atheris]

*looks at North Korea*

...Uh, sure.

Don't remind me at the bizarre torture fantasies surrounding Kim's sister that even spread across NSG

UGHHHHHHH WHY DID YOU SAY THAT

[The Reformed American Republic]

https://thehill.com/homenews/administra ... ning-trump

A dumb suggestion from Comey. No, Trump should not get a pardon.

[Freiheit Reich]

The amount of shite being spouted in this thread the last day, like seriously. Now segregation should be legal what a joke

Freiheit's a closet racist with cryptofascist tendencies using libertarian rhetoric to justify it all. He's already established this despite his vehement attempts to deny the obvious. I don't know why it's a big shock anymore.

How is wanting to allow businesses to discriminate against customers racist? I didn't say I like it. I also said I dislike smoking but I don't want to ban it. Why can't a business ban people if they want to? Many on this board support Twitter banning Trump but you think a business can't choose to discriminate for something else like race or religion? I never said business MUST discriminate, I said they should be allowed to. There is a difference.

I am more tolerant of opposing views. If you hate whites and don't want me as a customer, cool. An Indian motel owner in Illinois refused me service and I assume it was for racism. He said it was my age but I was over 21 and the license even said when I turned 21. He probably lied and it was likely racism (I can't think of another reason, I was not being rude and I was alone). I slept in my car and didn't report him. I was upset and wish he simply posted a sign saying 'no whites allowed' to make things clearer. You think only non-whites are discriminated against. I was also refused food in China and it was likely racism which is fine. People are different and have the right to be racist (although it is unethical).

[Xanthal]

Torture has nothing to do with interrogation.

I was trying to compose my thoughts into a contribution to this conversation, but Heloin has distilled the essence of the issue probably better with this one sentence than I would with a paragraph.

[Comerciante]

Freiheit's a closet racist with cryptofascist tendencies using libertarian rhetoric to justify it all. He's already established this despite his vehement attempts to deny the obvious. I don't know why it's a big shock anymore.

How is wanting to allow businesses to discriminate against customers racist?

Do ye even take a second, no a single moment to read your own words?

[Freiheit Reich]

Singapore and Malaysia cane criminals. Don't act like it is a brutal punishment when two nations considered quite civilized do it. You act like I am an extremist.

Caning

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caning#Ju ... punishment

In Singapore, Malaysia and Brunei, healthy males under 50 years of age can be sentenced to a maximum of 24 strokes of the rotan (rattan) cane on the bare buttocks; the punishment is mandatory for many offences, mostly violent or drug crimes, but also immigration violations, sexual offences and (in Singapore) acts of vandalism. It is also imposed for certain breaches of prison rules.

Yes, but that's two nations...out of more than 200.

The article also mentions Brunei and some African nations.

African countries still using judicial caning include Botswana, Tanzania, Nigeria (mostly in northern states,[6] but few cases have been reported in southern states[7][8][9][10]) and, for juvenile offenders only, Swaziland and Zimbabwe.

[Xanthal]

Linda Lee tarver one of the nominee said No election after 2020 should be considered fair unless we get this right this year,” Tarver said during the hearing the board held last year.

It's not a bad position in principle, but then you realize that there are no actual facts behind it. It's become pretty clear that to the people pushing this narrative, "getting it right" just means "making sure we win."

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/534195-comey-biden-should-consider-pardoning-trump

A dumb suggestion from Comey. No, Trump should not get a pardon.

Wait, let me write a letter.

Dear Comey,

Fuck off.

Sincerely,
a concerned citizen.