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Freiheit Reich
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:32 pm

Agarntrop wrote:
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OK. If we made a mistake, we should fix it. I believe a different president is now in charge since the 'one China policy' recognition.

Acting like the Chinese government is in Taipei would completely cut us off the Chinese market; let's not do that.


There are two Chinas just like there are two Koreas despite what some people deny.

Why do you care so much about the Chinese market? You don't think other nations would be happy to get manufacturing jobs? There are a billion people in India willing to work. Brazil and The Philippines also have high populations and they are on the coast. China is not he only nation that can make things.
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Postby Andsed » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:32 pm

Invading China is a dumb idea. It would be a slog that would make the War on Terror look efficient. If we want to counter China what needs to happen is for the US to begin cutting off our dependency on China and strengthening our alliances in the region. Not invasion.
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Postby Odreria » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:32 pm

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Cordel One wrote:I'm so glad you liked my rant :hug:

We literally don't have a fucking clue what Biden is gonna do.

Get off your high horse and judge him in when he's been in office for more than 7 hours.

>right now dems have to unite, judge him after he wins the nomination
>we have to beat trump, judge biden after he wins
>he's not even president yet, at least wait till after the inaguration
>at least give him his 100 days to let him have a go at his agenda before judging what he's doing - YOU ARE HERE
>there's no time to attack biden now, we have to win the midterms.
>you can't judge him on what he's doing when the house is republican, and besides re-election is coming up.
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Postby Punished UMN » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:32 pm

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Punished UMN wrote:I'm sure you have a lot of data on why they cannot be trusted and what the actual public opinion is.


I’m not sure whether you actually believe what you said (and hence needs to think outside the box).

I don't like the CCP, but NHA's hunches about what the vast majority of the Chinese public believes are not in fact a reliable source of information.
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:33 pm

Make American Politics Thread about America again.
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Postby Andsed » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:34 pm

I do be tired


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Postby Bombadil » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:34 pm

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:Make American Politics Thread about America again.


How the US and Biden manage the China and Taiwan issue will be an important part of politics in the next 4 years. Not to talk to China specifically but it's an American political issue.
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Postby Odreria » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:35 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:There are two Chinas just like there are two Koreas despite what some people deny.

How many RP posts boys, how many
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:35 pm

I said earlier here that I felt like the American version of the Troubles would start anyday now, but after doing some research and reviewing 2020, I realized actually it already began months ago and we didn't realize.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:36 pm

Press Secretary Psaki reminds me a lot of CJ Cregg who held the position in the series The West Wing and that’s a good thing.

If you’ve never seen the show i highly recommend it.
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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:36 pm

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:Assimilation and acculturation have been a part of human history since the beginning. Ever wonder why people from India all the way to Portugal share the same language family? Race on the other hand, has proven itself to be a social construct. Culture is the only determining factor to national cohesion, and America has a long history of cultural assimilation, which is why postmodernist multiculturalism needs to be resisted


America never managed to bridge the white-black difference. Nor did Medieval Arabs and many other groups of people. This shows that appearance does actually affect social cohesion at least when blacks and non-blacks are concerned. The only way to bridge the gap is to be like Argentina and Mexico and actually biologically merge them. Not Jim Crow but not black identity politics either. Just completely ignore the existence of race, ban race-based claims and merge them.

Not only is this historical revisionism but also Hitlerist pseudoscience, just replacing "jew" with "black." There are many examples of successful assimilation of black people into non-black society, even in the New World with Brazil, which while there is some racial division, is a far cry from American racial politics. Again, race is not real, cultures are.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:36 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Right about the time Biden fucks up in a real way. Not a 'we misunderstood and are going to stick by it because we like being mad for being mad's sake' but actually does something wrong and the defensiveness still isn't "YOU'RE POOPY HEADS!" We'll have that comfortable disappointment in our leaders with that same comfortable attempts to assert they're on it.


Let him have his honeymoon at least..

Sixty-eight percent of Americans say they approve of how Biden’s handled his presidential transition, according to a Gallup national poll conducted Jan. 4-15. That’s a slight rise from a 65% approval in Gallup’s December poll.

He's not Trump, he won't be steering into every cliff he can see. He'll have a proper honeymoon. It will end like it's supposed to, pushing for a big piece of legislation that ends up in compromises that make everyone feel like we're doomed for all time.
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:36 pm

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Postby Deacarsia » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:37 pm

Joe Biden is a cheater.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:38 pm

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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:38 pm

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
America never managed to bridge the white-black difference. Nor did Medieval Arabs and many other groups of people. This shows that appearance does actually affect social cohesion at least when blacks and non-blacks are concerned. The only way to bridge the gap is to be like Argentina and Mexico and actually biologically merge them. Not Jim Crow but not black identity politics either. Just completely ignore the existence of race, ban race-based claims and merge them.

Not only is this historical revisionism but also Hitlerist pseudoscience, just replacing "jew" with "black." There are many examples of successful assimilation of black people into non-black society, even in the New World with Brazil, which while there is some racial division, is a far cry from American racial politics. Again, race is not real, cultures are.


If Brazil is less racially divided it is because people are actually marrying each other. When people in a nation segregate or self-segregate it is always a social problem.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:38 pm

Punished UMN wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
I’m not sure whether you actually believe what you said (and hence needs to think outside the box).

I don't like the CCP, but NHA's hunches about what the vast majority of the Chinese public believes are not in fact a reliable source of information.

I mean, any involved party could use a source that isn't their ass and get this to move on any time they want.
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Postby The Marlborough » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:38 pm

Even assuming that only 50% of the population likes the CCP, that's still nearly 700 million people that are not going to be happy over a foreign invasion of their country which isn't getting into the other 50% who may hate the CCP but hate the US more than they hate the CCP. While it wouldn't be impossible to successfully invade China (assuming its nukes could be eliminated), it would require a huge chunk of the US population involved in fighting the war (think at least 6-10 million as a bare minimum for sustained operations let alone troop surges) and take decades to complete and as a bare minimum probably result in close to 100 million deaths within China alone, not counting the numerous deaths of US personnel which would likewise be incredibly high. 4% of Iraq's population died because of the Iraq War and that war was significantly less intense and destructive than any war with China would be.
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Postby Bombadil » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:38 pm

Neutraligon wrote:Is fun listening to a calm collected person.


..who is clearly very happy, everyone seems to have a big grin on their face in this administration.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:38 pm

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:Assimilation and acculturation have been a part of human history since the beginning. Ever wonder why people from India all the way to Portugal share the same language family? Race on the other hand, has proven itself to be a social construct. Culture is the only determining factor to national cohesion, and America has a long history of cultural assimilation, which is why postmodernist multiculturalism needs to be resisted


America never managed to bridge the white-black difference. Nor did Medieval Arabs and many other groups of people. This shows that appearance does actually affect social cohesion at least when blacks and non-blacks are concerned. The only way to bridge the gap is to be like Argentina and Mexico and actually biologically merge them. Not Jim Crow but not black identity politics either. Just completely ignore the existence of race, ban race-based claims and merge them.


Actually Romans didn't really care if you were black. They noticed dark skinned people but they didn't really care, and you either were a Roman to them or you were not.
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Postby Odreria » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:38 pm

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Postby Andsed » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:39 pm

Deacarsia wrote:Joe Biden is a cheater.

I know right? I saw that fucker put down an extra card during UNO while no one else was looking. Sad.
I do be tired


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Postby Cordel One » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:39 pm

Deacarsia wrote:Joe Biden is a cheater.

Joe Biden won the electoral college and the popular vote, he is the legitimate president.

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Postby Punished UMN » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:39 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Punished UMN wrote:I don't like the CCP, but NHA's hunches about what the vast majority of the Chinese public believes are not in fact a reliable source of information.

I mean, any involved party could use a source that isn't their ass and get this to move on any time they want.

I already linked two major social research studies on Chinese public opinion towards the regime.
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