We literally don't have a fucking clue what Biden is gonna do.
Get off your high horse and judge him in when he's been in office for more than 7 hours.
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by Agarntrop » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:24 pm
by Punished UMN » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:24 pm
New haven america wrote:Shrillland wrote:
As was Nanjing 84 years ago. Easily captured, but the war did not stop just because all of China's eastern cities fell. You think the Iraq mess was bad, try repeating the Chinese theatre of WW2 with more and easier-to-build IEDs and an actual industrial base in the interior.
Most Chinese aren't actually fond of or loyal to the CCP though.
Why would they fight for something the majority doesn't want around? Most are actually pretty indifferent to any political goings on in the country.
The survey team found that compared to public opinion patterns in the U.S., in China there was very high satisfaction with the central government. In 2016, the last year the survey was conducted, 95.5 percent of respondents were either “relatively satisfied” or “highly satisfied” with Beijing. In contrast to these findings, Gallup reported in January of this year that their latest polling on U.S. citizen satisfaction with the American federal government revealed only 38 percent of respondents were satisfied with the federal government.
In China, though, the coronavirus pandemic appears to have solidified public approval for the government — even after an early outpouring of public anger. "Surprisingly, [the coronavirus epidemic] actually increased people's satisfaction and support for their government," says Cary Wu, a sociology professor at Canada's York University who studies public opinion.
In April, Wu and several hundred Chinese student volunteers polled nearly 20,000 Chinese citizens about their government's handling of the coronavirus epidemic.
Nearly half of respondents said they had become more trusting of their national government since the outbreak. Only 3.3% said they had less trust in national leaders after the epidemic. The remainder said their levels of trust had not changed.
Overall, more than 90% of respondents said they were satisfied with how China's national leaders managed the outbreak.
by Kowani » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:25 pm
Final count: 10 nays on Haines DNI nomination.Kowani wrote:Avril Haines is confirmed as DNI, making her the first Cabinet member
Blackburn,
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Cruz
Ernst
Hagerty
Hawley
Lee
Marshall
Paul
Risch
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.
by New haven america » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:25 pm
Freiheit Reich wrote:Shrillland wrote:
Yeah, and now we're so economically dependent on China that cutting them off would mean economic collapse. Short-term because we could bring jobs back(and short term meaning five years), but collapse nonetheless.
We would have some challenges but I think Americans can survive without the latest iPhone and laptop for a couple years. Soybean prices would fall but farmers did fine in the 1960's when China was not buying so many soybeans. Americans need to unite. In the 1940's, Americans were willing to accept rations and planted victory gardens. What happened to that spirit of making sacrifices if necessary (besides just putting a yellow ribbon on your car and saying 'I support the troops' while being urged to buy more stuff)?
Asking people to wait a bit to get the latest iPhone or buy clothes made in Latin America and Haiti is not much to ask. We aren't asking young men to be drafted to fight China.
by Nekostan-e Gharbi » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:25 pm
Punished UMN wrote:New haven america wrote:Most Chinese aren't actually fond of or loyal to the CCP though.
Why would they fight for something the majority doesn't want around? Most are actually pretty indifferent to any political goings on in the country.
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/ ... isfaction/The survey team found that compared to public opinion patterns in the U.S., in China there was very high satisfaction with the central government. In 2016, the last year the survey was conducted, 95.5 percent of respondents were either “relatively satisfied” or “highly satisfied” with Beijing. In contrast to these findings, Gallup reported in January of this year that their latest polling on U.S. citizen satisfaction with the American federal government revealed only 38 percent of respondents were satisfied with the federal government.
https://www.npr.org/2020/09/23/91365029 ... ernment-riIn China, though, the coronavirus pandemic appears to have solidified public approval for the government — even after an early outpouring of public anger. "Surprisingly, [the coronavirus epidemic] actually increased people's satisfaction and support for their government," says Cary Wu, a sociology professor at Canada's York University who studies public opinion.
In April, Wu and several hundred Chinese student volunteers polled nearly 20,000 Chinese citizens about their government's handling of the coronavirus epidemic.
Nearly half of respondents said they had become more trusting of their national government since the outbreak. Only 3.3% said they had less trust in national leaders after the epidemic. The remainder said their levels of trust had not changed.
Overall, more than 90% of respondents said they were satisfied with how China's national leaders managed the outbreak.
by Punished UMN » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:26 pm
The Marlborough wrote:New haven america wrote:Sure we can.
Beijing is literally right on the coast (Well, a couple miles away), surrounded by mountains and hills on 3 sides, and has plenty of paved roads, waterways, and airports to move troops around in. It could be taken within 3-6 months of troops landing there.
The actual main culprit for starting nuclear war would be North Korea, as China's not willing to risk the economic collapse and internal destabilization a nuclear hit in the country would cause. NK OTOH hand, has nothing to lose.
Real life isn't a video game where taking the capital is an instant win for the invading force. Also I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that Beijing is a coastal city, when it's 150km from Tianjin which is the closest major coastal city to Beijing.
by Cannot think of a name » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:26 pm
by Agarntrop » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:26 pm
Bombadil wrote:Agarntrop wrote:Acting like the Chinese government is in Taipei would completely cut us off the Chinese market; let's not do that.
It's not acting like the Chinese government is in Taipei, its acting like Taiwan is its own separate country with its own government and people rather than leaving them isolated from global bodies.
by The Marlborough » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:26 pm
New haven america wrote:Shrillland wrote:
As was Nanjing 84 years ago. Easily captured, but the war did not stop just because all of China's eastern cities fell. You think the Iraq mess was bad, try repeating the Chinese theatre of WW2 with more and easier-to-build IEDs and an actual industrial base in the interior.
Most Chinese aren't actually fond of or loyal to the CCP though.
Why would they fight for something the majority doesn't want around? Most are actually pretty indifferent to any political goings on in the country.
by Nekostan-e Gharbi » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:26 pm
by Punished UMN » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:27 pm
by Bombadil » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:28 pm
Cannot think of a name wrote:
Right about the time Biden fucks up in a real way. Not a 'we misunderstood and are going to stick by it because we like being mad for being mad's sake' but actually does something wrong and the defensiveness still isn't "YOU'RE POOPY HEADS!" We'll have that comfortable disappointment in our leaders with that same comfortable attempts to assert they're on it.
by New haven america » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:28 pm
by Agarntrop » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:28 pm
by Nekostan-e Gharbi » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:28 pm
by The Marlborough » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:29 pm
Punished UMN wrote:The Marlborough wrote:Real life isn't a video game where taking the capital is an instant win for the invading force. Also I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that Beijing is a coastal city, when it's 150km from Tianjin which is the closest major coastal city to Beijing.
It looks much closer on maps.
by New haven america » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:29 pm
by Kowani » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:29 pm
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.
by Nekostan-e Gharbi » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:29 pm
by Punished UMN » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:29 pm
by Cordel One » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:30 pm
by Bombadil » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:31 pm
Agarntrop wrote:Bombadil wrote:
It's not acting like the Chinese government is in Taipei, its acting like Taiwan is its own separate country with its own government and people rather than leaving them isolated from global bodies.
Literally not possible.
Taiwan still claims to be the Republic of China, the reason being that if it declared independence China would have casus beli to determine the Taiwanese as secessionists and traitors and invade the island.
The Marlborough wrote:New haven america wrote:Most Chinese aren't actually fond of or loyal to the CCP though.
Why would they fight for something the majority doesn't want around? Most are actually pretty indifferent to any political goings on in the country.
The membership of the CCP alone is about 91 million people. Even assuming a paltry 10% are loyal enough to be willing to wage an insurgency, that insurgency would be larger than any single military force in the world. Not to mention people don't like their country being invaded and the CCP isn't so reviled as to counter the hatred of a foreign invader, especially given how disliked the US is.
Further the CCP is the regime responsible for uplifting so many Chinese people to a greater standard of living. Even if they don't care about it on a day to day basis, that doesn't mean they dislike it either, given its role in helping quite a lot of people.
by Nekostan-e Gharbi » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:32 pm
Punished UMN wrote:New haven america wrote:Gee, I wonder how people would answer when asked if they like their dictatorial government that performs human rights abuses on the weekly.
Come on UMN, use your thinky box.
Not trusting sociological data doesn't mean that you're right. I have opinion polls conducted on the largest sample of any opinion poll ever on the Chinese mainland by well-respected foreign academic institutions. You have your intuition. I wonder which is closer to the truth.
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