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Postby Jerzylvania » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:10 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Bombadil wrote:So what has Biden done wrong so far?


He hasn't solved all of America's problems yet, which makes him as bad as James Buchanan.


No, no now. At least Joe's brought along a great First Lady. She'll keep him straight. :p
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:11 pm

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"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Kowani » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:11 pm

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Postby Freiheit Reich » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:11 pm

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The World Health Organization should be mature and not play politics. This is a HEALTH organization and not a military organization. Why don't they care about Taiwan citizens or value them as much? Tell the PRC in a polite way that you will admit the ROC and tell the ROC that the PRC will also be a member. Let both countries (yes-I think they are both countries) decide if they can accept those terms. Same goes for the UN.

Why should the USA support an organization that is so disrespectful to an ally?


It's literally nothing to do with the WHO. They're an arm of the UN, and have no option but to follow UN recognitions, which are stuck at "pretend Taiwan doesn't exist", largely because of the US.


Actually, a lot of UN nations want to play the PRC's game besides the USA. It would take moral courage to leave the UN over this issue (even though the UN is fairly worthless anyways) and I doubt Biden (or other nations) has such courage to do the right thing.

Yes, this would give the PRC more power in the UN but really, the UN mostly just chats and scolds dictatorships. Has North Korea improved its human rights record since joining the UN? The USA can start its own UN just as it can start its own WHO with the ROC as a member (if they wish to join).

Korea and the United Nations

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korea_and ... ed_Nations

Since 2005, the UNGA has adopted a resolution every year to condemn the human rights situation in North Korea.[6]
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Postby Silvedania » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:11 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:

I wanted to stencil all of his tweets in an abandoned mall and spraypaint "TRUMP LIBRARY" on the entrance.

Yes, because that's what it would consist of, all of his tweets
Actually, if you want to be nice, mark it with a sharpie
we all know how much he likes those
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:12 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:Well, this press secretary doesn't look like the shittiest sorority sister showing up to tell the nerds they aren't cool.

Rest in rips she almost said President Obama.

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Postby New haven america » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:12 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
I am fine with respecting national sovereignty. I would oppose an Operation Chinese Freedom to liberate the Chinese people (who probably don't even want to be liberated overall). It seems the USA only wants to liberate people in small nations (could just be a coincidence).

I just want the USA to stop disrespecting Taiwan. If the PRC wants to invade the USA if we recognize the ROC, let them attack. I think the PRC will just cut off trade with us and we can then help solve poverty in Central America by outsourcing production to Honduras and Guatemala (or heaven forbid actually build things in the USA). I doubt the PRC wants to go to war over a trivial matter as long as we keep our soldiers out of North Korea, things will be fine.


Alas, China isn't worthy of resect in that field, either. Committing genocide does make a good casus belli as long as you can be sure of victory. Our problem with China is simply we can't be sure of victory.

Sure we can.

Beijing is literally right on the coast (Well, a couple miles away), surrounded by mountains and hills on 3 sides, and has plenty of paved roads, waterways, and airports to move troops around in. It could be taken within 3-6 months of troops landing there.

The actual main culprit for starting nuclear war would be North Korea, as China's not willing to risk the economic collapse and internal destabilization a nuclear hit in the country would cause. NK OTOH hand, has nothing to lose.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:12 pm

Silvedania wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:I wanted to stencil all of his tweets in an abandoned mall and spraypaint "TRUMP LIBRARY" on the entrance.

Yes, because that's what it would consist of, all of his tweets

Well, maybe a room to memorialize all the people who died while he decided to be macho about a fucking mask.

EDIT: I hit it before the edit, the sharpie is a good touch.
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Postby Silvedania » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:13 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Silvedania wrote:Yes, because that's what it would consist of, all of his tweets

Well, maybe a room to memorialize all the people who died while he decided to be macho about a fucking mask.

Nah since he's in charge of it and he denies he did anything wrong
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Postby New haven america » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:13 pm

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:America has a history of assimilation, first the Irish, then the Germans, then the Italians, Chinese, and more recently Indian Americans. Multiculturalism on the other hand leads to parallel societies such as the ones in Europe


What shall America do about African Americans then? You know very well what assimilation takes: it is not only cultural but also inevitably biological. Yet Germanic forms of ethnonationalism views intermarriage more taboo than people living in the same neighborhood or country.

So then why haven't Euro Descended Americans become Native Americans yet?
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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:14 pm

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:No its not, race isn’t a real concept and is a social construct, a simple glance at history would tell you that. A racist would say a black American has more in common with a black African than a white American, which is absurd


That’s not how it works in practice. An ethnic group has imaginary shared ancestors. When people look sufficiently different from each other and self-segregate the myth of shared ancestry falls apart. This is why separate but equal does not actually help people get along. It’s either fully merging or eventually ethnonationalism is going to show its ugly head.

Assimilation and acculturation have been a part of human history since the beginning. Ever wonder why people from India all the way to Portugal share the same language family? Race on the other hand, has proven itself to be a social construct. Culture is the only determining factor to national cohesion, and America has a long history of cultural assimilation, which is why postmodernist multiculturalism needs to be resisted
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:14 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
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I just dislike the idea that the USA has to accept everybody but many nations make it hard for Americans to move and work there.


Here is where your dishonesty is most obvious: literally nobody is suggesting that the US allow visa-free immigration.


Good. I suppose this means Biden will immediately deport all illegal migrants (to include 'dreamers') and ensure the border is properly sealed. I suppose he will also end birthright citizenship (at least for immigrants from nations which lack birthright citizenship).

I guess I was mistaken. I thought Biden was planning to be soft on illegal migration.
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Postby Agarntrop » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:14 pm

I wonder what Biden's agenda will be
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Postby Salandriagado » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:14 pm

New haven america wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
Alas, China isn't worthy of resect in that field, either. Committing genocide does make a good casus belli as long as you can be sure of victory. Our problem with China is simply we can't be sure of victory.

Sure we can.

Beijing is literally right on the coast (Well, a couple miles away), surrounded by mountains and hills on 3 sides, and has plenty of paved roads, waterways, and airports to move troops around in. It could be taken within 3-6 months of troops landing there.

The actual main culprit for starting nuclear war would be North Korea, as China's not willing to risk the economic collapse and internal destabilization a nuclear hit in the country would cause. NK OTOH hand, has nothing to lose.


That argument only works as long the Chinese government is expecting to win. The moment it becomes obvious that they're going to lose the war, what do they have to lose?
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Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

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Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

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Postby Kowani » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:15 pm

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
That’s not how it works in practice. An ethnic group has imaginary shared ancestors. When people look sufficiently different from each other and self-segregate the myth of shared ancestry falls apart. This is why separate but equal does not actually help people get along. It’s either fully merging or eventually ethnonationalism is going to show its ugly head.

Assimilation and acculturation have been a part of human history since the beginning. Ever wonder why people from India all the way to Portugal share the same language family?

war and genocide, mostly
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:15 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
New haven america wrote:Sure we can.

Beijing is literally right on the coast (Well, a couple miles away), surrounded by mountains and hills on 3 sides, and has plenty of paved roads, waterways, and airports to move troops around in. It could be taken within 3-6 months of troops landing there.

The actual main culprit for starting nuclear war would be North Korea, as China's not willing to risk the economic collapse and internal destabilization a nuclear hit in the country would cause. NK OTOH hand, has nothing to lose.


That argument only works as long the Chinese government is expecting to win. The moment it becomes obvious that they're going to lose the war, what do they have to lose?

Xi's fear of death.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:15 pm

"religious animus"

How long has it been since we had a press secretary that could use a word like 'animus'.

Haha, "We gotta call all our friends first and tell them it's all good now, we got rid of the asshole."
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:15 pm

Agarntrop wrote:Freiheit, no one has given a shit about the wall since 2017.

It's yesterdays news when we have a pandemic on and a domestic terrorist threat.


Then why did the person post about it today? Are people only allowed to discuss the wall if they want to criticize it?
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Postby Salandriagado » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:16 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
That argument only works as long the Chinese government is expecting to win. The moment it becomes obvious that they're going to lose the war, what do they have to lose?

Xi's fear of death.


He wouldn't survive losing a war anyway.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

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Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Maineiacs » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:16 pm

A press briefing that doesn't involve name-calling and veiled threats against the White House Press Corps? I may faint. ;)
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Postby Shrillland » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:16 pm

New haven america wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
Alas, China isn't worthy of resect in that field, either. Committing genocide does make a good casus belli as long as you can be sure of victory. Our problem with China is simply we can't be sure of victory.

Sure we can.

Beijing is literally right on the coast (Well, a couple miles away), surrounded by mountains and hills on 3 sides, and has plenty of paved roads, waterways, and airports to move troops around in. It could be taken within 3-6 months of troops landing there.

The actual main culprit for starting nuclear war would be North Korea, as China's not willing to risk the economic collapse and internal destabilization a nuclear hit in the country would cause. NK OTOH hand, has nothing to lose.



As was Nanjing 84 years ago. Easily captured, but the war did not stop just because all of China's eastern cities fell. You think the Iraq mess was bad, try repeating the Chinese theatre of WW2 with more and easier-to-build IEDs and an actual industrial base in the interior.
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:17 pm

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Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:Assimilation and acculturation have been a part of human history since the beginning. Ever wonder why people from India all the way to Portugal share the same language family?

war and genocide, mostly


Yup and we don’t want to encourage such behavior..
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Postby Silvedania » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:17 pm

Maineiacs wrote:A press briefing that doesn't involve name-calling and veiled threats against the White House Press Corps? I may faint. ;)

We're not worthy of such an honor. We're not worthy.
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Postby Agarntrop » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:18 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Agarntrop wrote:Freiheit, no one has given a shit about the wall since 2017.

It's yesterdays news when we have a pandemic on and a domestic terrorist threat.


Then why did the person post about it today? Are people only allowed to discuss the wall if they want to criticize it?

I am not the arbiter here of what can and cannot be said, that's not my point.

My point is that you keep talking up the wall when it has little importance in comparison to coronavirus.
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