American Politics III: New President, Same Old Country

[Freiheit Reich]

Diplomacy and geopolitics are amoral by their very nature. Taiwan knows that the US has to abide by these rules because the alternative is PRC conquest leading to WW3 and nuclear armageddon, which is messy and unpopular.

Czechoslovakia knows that UK has to abide by these rules because the alternative is German conquest leading to WW2 and genocide which is messy and unpopular.

Appeasing a totalitarian power leads to more, not less dead humans.

Great comparison.

The USA still thinks that free trade will make the PRC become freer. It might mean people in China have more money (we see they have more cars, Starbucks cafes, and LV bags) but 1989 was a long time ago and we are still waiting for more political freedom to happen. There was hope that things would get better (some signs of progress existed) until Mr. Xi Jinping became leader. I don't see Mr. Xi Jinping giving up on the idea of making the ROC a province or giving his citizens the right to vote or even letting them freely criticize the government. Maybe I am wrong and Xi Jinping will change his ways in a couple of years. Maybe Biden will be able to talk him into loosening some restrictions. If Biden does that, I will be quite impressed.

[Agarntrop]

China bans a bunch of Trump's ex-cabinet from doing business with the country

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.
Trade adviser Peter Navarro.
National Security Adviser Robert O’Brien.
Diplomat for East Asia David Stilwell.
Deputy National Security Advisor Matthew Pottinger.
Secretary of Health and Human Services Alex Azar.
Undersecretary of State for Economic Growth Keith Krach.
Ambassador to the United Nations Kelly Craft.
National Security Advisor John Bolton.
Chief strategist Steve Bannon.

Wtf based Trump cabinet??

[Kannap]

https://www.adn.com/politics/2021/01/20/alaska-governor-recall-group-makes-final-push-for-signatures/

Organizers pushing for a recall of Alaska Governor Mike Dunleavy need to get 22000 more signatures. There is no deadline for when they have to submit them.

Love a sexy recall.

[San Lumen]

https://www.adn.com/politics/2021/01/20/alaska-governor-recall-group-makes-final-push-for-signatures/

Organizers pushing for a recall of Alaska Governor Mike Dunleavy need to get 22000 more signatures. There is no deadline for when they have to submit them.

Love a sexy recall.

Its quite possible we could have two gubernatorial recall elections this year. The other being California.

[Kannap]

Love a sexy recall.

Its quite possible we could have two gubernatorial recall elections this year. The other being California.

Love to see the people exercising their power.

[Cultural Posadism]

Man some people thought/still think it did happen lmao.

Guys this is How Trump can still build the wall.

People made fun of the "here's how Bernie can still win" crowd, but the Trump version of it is quickly reaching whole new levels of imagination.

[Shrillland]

Czechoslovakia knows that UK has to abide by these rules because the alternative is German conquest leading to WW2 and genocide which is messy and unpopular.

Appeasing a totalitarian power leads to more, not less dead humans.

Great comparison.

The USA still thinks that free trade will make the PRC become freer. It might mean people in China have more money (we see they have more cars, Starbucks cafes, and LV bags) but 1989 was a long time ago and we are still waiting for more political freedom to happen. There was hope that things would get better (some signs of progress existed) until Mr. Xi Jinping became leader. I don't see Mr. Xi Jinping giving up on the idea of making the ROC a province or giving his citizens the right to vote or even letting them freely criticize the government. Maybe I am wrong and Xi Jinping will change his ways in a couple of years. Maybe Biden will be able to talk him into loosening some restrictions. If Biden does that, I will be quite impressed.

There is no peaceful way to make China free. None. The only option is war, and that would be a world war waged with nuclear weapons with the US and EU and one side and Russia and China on the other. It is truly a MAD idea to think we can do much more than impose certain sanctions that China's allies will either circumvent or veto anyway.

[San Lumen]

Avril haines Biden's nominee for the director of national intelligence is currently being voted on by the senate

[Salandriagado]

You have a very strange idea about where the Overton window is here.

I just dislike the idea that the USA has to accept everybody but many nations make it hard for Americans to move and work there.

Here is where your dishonesty is most obvious: literally nobody is suggesting that the US allow visa-free immigration.

[Shrillland]

Love a sexy recall.

Its quite possible we could have two gubernatorial recall elections this year. The other being California.

If so, Alaska does things a little differently. It would be a straight yes-or-no vote to recall with no one running as a replacement. If he is recalled, the Lieutenant Governor takes over.

[Freiheit Reich]

Trump 2016: "We're gonna build a wall!"

Biden 2021: "lolno."

Remember when people thought that would happen? Fun times.

He made an effort and actually it was a partial success. I give him credit for trying although saying Mexico would pay for it was obviously foolhardy (I doubt many people actually believed that).

Fact check: Trump administration has built more border wall than meme claims

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/fac ... 437653001/

First claim is false; over 300 miles of wall have been built, though just 5 miles are new
It's true that the number of miles of wall built at the southern border has fallen short of the number promised by Trump. But it's not quite as low as the post makes it out to be.

[San Lumen]

Its quite possible we could have two gubernatorial recall elections this year. The other being California.

If so, Alaska does things a little differently. It would be a straight yes-or-no vote to recall with no one running as a replacement. If he is recalled, the Lieutenant Governor takes over.

Interesting. I guess each state that allows it has their own rules.

[Salandriagado]

No, they don't have to. You can acknowledge Taiwan and support nations working together for the greater good even if those nations don't acknowledge Taiwan. I think.

The World Health Organization should be mature and not play politics. This is a HEALTH organization and not a military organization. Why don't they care about Taiwan citizens or value them as much? Tell the PRC in a polite way that you will admit the ROC and tell the ROC that the PRC will also be a member. Let both countries (yes-I think they are both countries) decide if they can accept those terms. Same goes for the UN.

Why should the USA support an organization that is so disrespectful to an ally?

It's literally nothing to do with the WHO. They're an arm of the UN, and have no option but to follow UN recognitions, which are stuck at "pretend Taiwan doesn't exist", largely because of the US.

[Major-Tom]

Remember when people thought that would happen? Fun times.

He made an effort and actually it was a partial success. I give him credit for trying although saying Mexico would pay for it was obviously foolhardy (I doubt many people actually believed that).

Fact check: Trump administration has built more border wall than meme claims

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/fac ... 437653001/

I think, to an extent, most people here are concerned less about the wall than other major problems in the Trump admin.

[Salandriagado]

The World Health Organization should be mature and not play politics. This is a HEALTH organization and not a military organization. Why don't they care about Taiwan citizens or value them as much? Tell the PRC in a polite way that you will admit the ROC and tell the ROC that the PRC will also be a member. Let both countries (yes-I think they are both countries) decide if they can accept those terms. Same goes for the UN.

Why should the USA support an organization that is so disrespectful to an ally?

All international organizations need to permanently ban China. Otherwise they are not worth being in. US should not support an organization that does not admit Taiwan but admits China.

You are aware that the US is a major reason that those international organisations admit the PRC but not Taiwan, right?

[San Lumen]

The World Health Organization should be mature and not play politics. This is a HEALTH organization and not a military organization. Why don't they care about Taiwan citizens or value them as much? Tell the PRC in a polite way that you will admit the ROC and tell the ROC that the PRC will also be a member. Let both countries (yes-I think they are both countries) decide if they can accept those terms. Same goes for the UN.

Why should the USA support an organization that is so disrespectful to an ally?

It's literally nothing to do with the WHO. They're an arm of the UN, and have no option but to follow UN recognitions, which are stuck at "pretend Taiwan doesn't exist", largely because of the US.

I've heard the person who is the current head of WHO isn';t a doctor.

[Agarntrop]

Freiheit, no one has given a shit about the wall since 2017.

It's yesterdays news when we have a pandemic on and a domestic terrorist threat.

[Freiheit Reich]

Czechoslovakia knows that UK has to abide by these rules because the alternative is German conquest leading to WW2 and genocide which is messy and unpopular.

Appeasing a totalitarian power leads to more, not less dead humans.

War is a different beast than it was back then. Nuclear war can only lead to extinction.

Don't forget about MAD. I doubt the PRC will use nuclear weapons although I do have fears that North Korea might (if they develop them):

What Is Mutually Assured Destruction?

https://www.thoughtco.com/mutually-assu ... on-1221190

Mutually Assured Destruction, or mutually assured deterrence (MAD), is a military theory that was developed to deter the use of nuclear weapons. The theory is based on the fact that nuclear weaponry is so devastating that no government wants to use them. Neither side will attack the other with their nuclear weapons because both sides are guaranteed to be totally destroyed in the conflict. No one will go to all-out nuclear war because no side can win and no side can survive.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

America has a history of assimilation, first the Irish, then the Germans, then the Italians, Chinese, and more recently Indian Americans. Multiculturalism on the other hand leads to parallel societies such as the ones in Europe

What shall America do about African Americans then? You know very well what assimilation takes: it is not only cultural but also inevitably biological.

No its not, race isn’t a real concept and is a social construct, a simple glance at history would tell you that. A racist would say a black American has more in common with a black African than a white American, which is absurd

[Kowani]

Avril haines Biden's nominee for the director of national intelligence is currently being voted on by the senate

She'll get through easily, it's currently 81-9

[New haven america]

Great comparison.

The USA still thinks that free trade will make the PRC become freer. It might mean people in China have more money (we see they have more cars, Starbucks cafes, and LV bags) but 1989 was a long time ago and we are still waiting for more political freedom to happen. There was hope that things would get better (some signs of progress existed) until Mr. Xi Jinping became leader. I don't see Mr. Xi Jinping giving up on the idea of making the ROC a province or giving his citizens the right to vote or even letting them freely criticize the government. Maybe I am wrong and Xi Jinping will change his ways in a couple of years. Maybe Biden will be able to talk him into loosening some restrictions. If Biden does that, I will be quite impressed.

There is no peaceful way to make China free. None. The only option is war, and that would be a world war waged with nuclear weapons with the US and EU and one side and Russia and China on the other. It is truly a MAD idea to think we can do much more than impose certain sanctions that China's allies will either circumvent or veto anyway.

Not really.

The US and EU aren't willing to destroy the Earth in war, Russia's not willing to have Moscow destroyed (Protecting Moscow and the European core is the most important thing to them, tis the reason why Russia is so big), and China isn't willing to take the economic hit and internal destabilization that nuclear war would cause.

No, what's most likely to cause Nuclear War in a WWIII scenario are countries like North Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia, India/Pakistan, etc... Because they have leaders who think they have nothing to lose and want to show off. The major powers are actually the least likely to let nukes fly.

[National Capitalist United States]

What shall America do about African Americans then? You know very well what assimilation takes: it is not only cultural but also inevitably biological.

No its not, race isn’t a real concept and is a social construct

Based

[San Lumen]

Avril haines Biden's nominee for the director of national intelligence is currently being voted on by the senate

She'll get through easily, it's currently 81-9

Most of his nominees will easily get confirmed. Cruz was one of the no votes.

[Shrillland]

War is a different beast than it was back then. Nuclear war can only lead to extinction.

Don't forget about MAD. I doubt the PRC will use nuclear weapons although I do have fears that North Korea might (if they develop them):

What Is Mutually Assured Destruction?

https://www.thoughtco.com/mutually-assu ... on-1221190

Mutually Assured Destruction, or mutually assured deterrence (MAD), is a military theory that was developed to deter the use of nuclear weapons. The theory is based on the fact that nuclear weaponry is so devastating that no government wants to use them. Neither side will attack the other with their nuclear weapons because both sides are guaranteed to be totally destroyed in the conflict. No one will go to all-out nuclear war because no side can win and no side can survive.

Aye, but a nation that's on the verge of defeat with nothing to lose could still use them. Honestly, as I said, if it was just China we were fighting, it would actually be as simple as nuking their nukes(the Soviets thought of a similar strategy in the 70s), leaving them no way to fight a war except by their own conventional means, unless of course they use a LWV(launch on verification of warning)strategy, in which case we're fucked either way.

[New haven america]

No, they don't have to. You can acknowledge Taiwan and support nations working together for the greater good even if those nations don't acknowledge Taiwan. I think.

The World Health Organization should be mature and not play politics. This is a HEALTH organization and not a military organization. Why don't they care about Taiwan citizens or value them as much? Tell the PRC in a polite way that you will admit the ROC and tell the ROC that the PRC will also be a member. Let both countries (yes-I think they are both countries) decide if they can accept those terms. Same goes for the UN.

Why should the USA support an organization that is so disrespectful to an ally?

Because the US recognized the PRC as the official governing body of China and as such the UN has to follow suit.

This is technically the US' fault.