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by Cannot think of a name » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:25 pm

by Trollzyn the Infinite » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:25 pm

by Nekostan-e Gharbi » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:28 pm
Freiheit Reich wrote:Silvedania wrote:No, they don't have to. You can acknowledge Taiwan and support nations working together for the greater good even if those nations don't acknowledge Taiwan. I think.
The World Health Organization should be mature and not play politics. This is a HEALTH organization and not a military organization. Why don't they care about Taiwan citizens or value them as much? Tell the PRC in a polite way that you will admit the ROC and tell the ROC that the PRC will also be a member. Let both countries (yes-I think they are both countries) decide if they can accept those terms. Same goes for the UN.
Why should the USA support an organization that is so disrespectful to an ally?

by The New California Republic » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:28 pm

by Shrillland » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:28 pm
Freiheit Reich wrote:Silvedania wrote:No, they don't have to. You can acknowledge Taiwan and support nations working together for the greater good even if those nations don't acknowledge Taiwan. I think.
The World Health Organization should be mature and not play politics. This is a HEALTH organization and not a military organization. Why don't they care about Taiwan citizens or value them as much? Tell the PRC in a polite way that you will admit the ROC and tell the ROC that the PRC will also be a member. Let both countries (yes-I think they are both countries) decide if they can accept those terms. Same goes for the UN.
Why should the USA support an organization that is so disrespectful to an ally?

by Freiheit Reich » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:30 pm
Esalia wrote:Freiheit Reich wrote:
Why was he an idiot for doing that? General name calling doesn't tell us much.
The USA needs to pull out of any nation that refuses to treat Taiwan as equally as the PRC. This includes the UN.
Why Trump is totally right to put US funding for WHO on hold
https://nypost.com/2020/04/15/why-trump ... o-on-hold/
Taiwan accuses WHO of downplaying coronavirus toll in China
https://nypost.com/2020/04/14/taiwan-ac ... d-reports/
Why Taiwan has become a problem for WHO
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-52088167
Which hands those organisations over to the PRC, thereby basically guaranteeing that Taiwan will never be part of them so long as the PRC is the biggest powerhouse in that organisation.
If the USA really wants to get Taiwan included in those organisations, waiving its influence to those organisations is not the way to go. It's better off levying its influence to pressure those organisations into including Taiwan, and forming a coalition to push for greater inclusion of Taiwan in those organisations (or if it somehow has the influence necessary, making its own version that includes Taiwan and trying to encourage more countries to join it not the other organisation).

by Nekostan-e Gharbi » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:30 pm
Shrillland wrote:Freiheit Reich wrote:
The World Health Organization should be mature and not play politics. This is a HEALTH organization and not a military organization. Why don't they care about Taiwan citizens or value them as much? Tell the PRC in a polite way that you will admit the ROC and tell the ROC that the PRC will also be a member. Let both countries (yes-I think they are both countries) decide if they can accept those terms. Same goes for the UN.
Why should the USA support an organization that is so disrespectful to an ally?
Diplomacy and geopolitics are amoral by their very nature. Taiwan knows that the US has to abide by these rules because the alternative is PRC conquest leading to WW3 and nuclear armageddon, which is messy and unpopular.

by Trollzyn the Infinite » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:30 pm

by The Huskar Social Union » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:31 pm

by Aeritai » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:32 pm

by Shrillland » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:32 pm
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:Shrillland wrote:
Diplomacy and geopolitics are amoral by their very nature. Taiwan knows that the US has to abide by these rules because the alternative is PRC conquest leading to WW3 and nuclear armageddon, which is messy and unpopular.
Czechoslovakia knows that UK has to abide by these rules because the alternative is German conquest leading to WW2 and genocide which is messy and unpopular.
Appeasing a totalitarian power leads to more, not less dead humans.

by Valrifell » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:32 pm

by Aeritai » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:33 pm
Valrifell wrote:Aeritai wrote:
Wait... Is AltHistory conservative? Just curious because I don't think he ever mentioned his political beliefs.
Iirc you can kind of tell he doesn't really like Democrats or Trump that much, afaik he's more a #bothsame centrist sort or maybe an "I'm a centrist" conservative.

by The Huskar Social Union » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:33 pm

by Nekostan-e Gharbi » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:34 pm
Shrillland wrote:Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Czechoslovakia knows that UK has to abide by these rules because the alternative is German conquest leading to WW2 and genocide which is messy and unpopular.
Appeasing a totalitarian power leads to more, not less dead humans.
War is a different beast than it was back then. Nuclear war can only lead to extinction.

by Andsed » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:34 pm

by Shrillland » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:35 pm

by Kowani » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:35 pm
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.
Trade adviser Peter Navarro.
National Security Adviser Robert O’Brien.
Diplomat for East Asia David Stilwell.
Deputy National Security Advisor Matthew Pottinger.
Secretary of Health and Human Services Alex Azar.
Undersecretary of State for Economic Growth Keith Krach.
Ambassador to the United Nations Kelly Craft.
National Security Advisor John Bolton.
Chief strategist Steve Bannon.
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.

by Freiheit Reich » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:40 pm
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:Freiheit Reich wrote:
It is a fair question. I would actually favor immigration treaties that would allow citizens of different nations to work in the USA as long as US citizens can work there. It works fairly well in the EU. It should be between nations with similar incomes first (ex. the USA and Canada and Argentina and Chile and possibly Mexico if they secure their southern border).
I just dislike the idea that the USA has to accept everybody but many nations make it hard for Americans to move and work there. It is pretty easy for a French citizen to move to Germany and work there. It is not so easy for a US citizen to go to Germany and work there. It is possible but definitely not as easy.
The immigration treaties might also build better relationships between the nations.
Maybe though I don’t think it will change much. Segregationist cultures will remain segregationist, albeit more polite. Germany and Japan are still going to be Germany and Japan lol. Moreover the most interesting and technologically most advanced cultures are usually pretty segregationist..

by San Lumen » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:42 pm

by Major-Tom » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:44 pm

by Kowani » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:44 pm
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.
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