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The Reformed American Republic
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:47 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Glorious Hong Kong wrote: I expect him to be just as tough on Antifa and BLM as he is on Trump supporters.


So.. reduce the violence inflicted on them by 3 times..?

Antifa isn't discriminated against.
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Postby Shrillland » Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:48 pm

United Engiresco wrote:
Glorious Hong Kong wrote:I'm going to hold Joe Biden to his word. When he promises healing and unity, I expect to see healing and unity. I am hopeful that the coronavirus and climate change will be seriously addressed under his administration.

I expect him to never cave to the demands of extremists on all sides, including fascists and white supremacists. I expect him to be just as tough on Antifa and BLM as he is on Trump supporters. I expect him to be just as much in favor of locking down entire cities in response to Antifa riots, arson, and looting as much as rioting and insurrection by right-wing militias. I expect less ideological hubris and snobbery and more humility and reflection.

I expect him to stand up to the corrupt, corporate, neoliberal lobby that has sold its soul to the highest bidders, particularly the PRC. I expect crippling sanctions, tariffs, blockades, and reparations to be leveled against the Chinese economy and officials as payback for the coronavirus pandemic and the millions of deaths and economic fallout resulting from the pandemic, and the PRC's continued subjugation of Hong Kong. I expect woke, virtue-signaling companies such as Blizzard to be compelled to withdraw from the Chinese market or face legal action, in order that I may enjoy their services once again.

I expect him to enforce a hardline, zero-tolerance policy against illegal immigration and ensure that deportations are swift. This will set a clear example to other countries around the world that have had to deal with illegals on a significant scale.

I expect him not to be yet another spineless, neoliberal coward like Obama was. I expect him to be a strong, decisive leader who knows when to talk tough and back up his tough rhetoric with tough actions, particularly against China. You cannot negotiate with bullies. America must always display unparalleled strength.


I think he will do the best he can, including all this. I respect people who work hard and are diligent in their work. I think he will be the thing that hopefully fixes the USA.



I don't know about that last part myself. He's likely only going to serve four years and even though many of the extremists have been disillusioned, many of them are still prepared. This will be a stormy four years. The rash is gone, but the disease is still around and America is still very sick. Biden has a lot of work to do to treat the nation, but not all the measures will be taken, I don't think.
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Postby Bombadil » Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:48 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
So.. reduce the violence inflicted on them by 3 times..?

Antifa isn't discriminated against.


The police are far harsher on left wing protests over right wing.
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Postby United Engiresco » Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:50 pm

Shrillland wrote:
United Engiresco wrote:
I think he will do the best he can, including all this. I respect people who work hard and are diligent in their work. I think he will be the thing that hopefully fixes the USA.



I don't know about that last part myself. He's likely only going to serve four years and even though many of the extremists have been disillusioned, many of them are still prepared. This will be a stormy four years. The rash is gone, but the disease is still around and America is still very sick. Biden has a lot of work to do to treat the nation, but not all the measures will be taken, I don't think.


Well, at least he will try, and that's what matters.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:50 pm

Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:51 pm

Bombadil wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Antifa isn't discriminated against.


The police are far harsher on left wing protests over right wing.

Typically, but I don't think antifa is suffering. Plus, they're typically not peaceful either nor are their assemblies typically crushed. You have a better case with BLM.
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Postby No State Here » Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:51 pm

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Postby Shrillland » Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:52 pm

United Engiresco wrote:
Shrillland wrote:

I don't know about that last part myself. He's likely only going to serve four years and even though many of the extremists have been disillusioned, many of them are still prepared. This will be a stormy four years. The rash is gone, but the disease is still around and America is still very sick. Biden has a lot of work to do to treat the nation, but not all the measures will be taken, I don't think.


Well, at least he will try, and that's what matters.


He will indeed. My biggest fear, as many know, is that those on the other side who have shut their eyes, ears, and minds to anything but their voices won't acknowledge this and retreat ever further into the honey badger's den. Alas, that particular pathogen has no potent prescription that a president can provide.
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Postby Republic of Turbin » Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:54 pm

Glorious Hong Kong wrote:

I think you'll be disappointed to hear that Biden has no intention to have a 'zero tolerance' policy on immigration.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-limit-ice-deporatations-trump-border-policies/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-trump-orders-masks/2021/01/20/7b6a1bec-5a98-11eb-b8bd-ee36b1cd18bf_story.html
https://www.newsweek.com/more-80-americans-want-undocumented-immigrants-have-chance-become-us-citizens-1316889
I'm also not under the impression that BLM is not in the league of white supremacy or fascists. America should work with its allies not through a big stick policy and instead of trying to work by itself and attack its allies. This wishlist for unity seems to be lacking in any substantive way to be unifying. How exactly do you propose bypassing diplomacy and negotiations?
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Postby United Engiresco » Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:54 pm

Shrillland wrote:
United Engiresco wrote:
Well, at least he will try, and that's what matters.


He will indeed. My biggest fear, as many know, is that those on the other side who have shut their eyes, ears, and minds to anything but their voices won't acknowledge this and retreat ever further into the honey badger's den. Alas, that particular pathogen has no potent prescription that a president can provide.


My main concern is that after Trump's insane propaganda over the past four years is that Biden might get assasinated by Trumpet extremists (Trumpet in referring to Trump supporters).
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Postby Atheris » Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:54 pm

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Postby United Engiresco » Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:56 pm



I am all for letting foreigners enter America to further enrich the diversity of the country, so this makes me happy to see Biden has no intentions of destroying immigration like Trump tried to do.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:56 pm



Pls tell me there’s rejoin WHO one as well.
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Postby United Engiresco » Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:58 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:


Pls tell me there’s rejoin WHO one as well.


Trump was an idiot for pulling out of both of them...
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Postby Shrillland » Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:58 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:


Pls tell me there’s rejoin WHO one as well.


Oh, that's already been done. Nothing about rejoining the UPU as of yet, though.
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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:59 pm

United Engiresco wrote:
Shrillland wrote:

I don't know about that last part myself. He's likely only going to serve four years and even though many of the extremists have been disillusioned, many of them are still prepared. This will be a stormy four years. The rash is gone, but the disease is still around and America is still very sick. Biden has a lot of work to do to treat the nation, but not all the measures will be taken, I don't think.


Well, at least he will try, and that's what matters.

That’s all that matters to you?
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Postby Kowani » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:00 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:


Pls tell me there’s rejoin WHO one as well.

Ask and ye shall receive
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Postby United Engiresco » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:00 pm

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:
United Engiresco wrote:
Well, at least he will try, and that's what matters.

That’s all that matters to you?


No, of course not. I like to summarize my political feelings into one sentence so it doesn't become so complicated.
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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:00 pm


Good riddance to the border wall, travel ban should be integrated as part of greater immigration reform making immigration much harder without apt assimilation
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Postby Andsed » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:02 pm


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Postby Atheris » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:02 pm

Kowani wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Pls tell me there’s rejoin WHO one as well.

Ask and ye shall receive

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Postby United Engiresco » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:03 pm

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:

Good riddance to the border wall, travel ban should be integrated as part of greater immigration reform making immigration much harder without apt assimilation


I have long awaited the day that godforsaken wall crumbles downward and the President starts rebuilding the nation from it's ruins.
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Postby Senkaku » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:03 pm

Xanthal wrote:
Senkaku wrote:Not going to stop being extremely freaked out until nightfall in DC comes and goes without any problems but feeling cautiously optimistic by the lack of major problems even at any state capitols (it feels so nice to be pleasantly surprised)

DC is so locked down at the moment that the only way I could see anyone getting at the White House or Capitol is in a literal mutiny. Violence on the streets is still a possibility, but I'm optimistic that won't happen.

Oh, I haven't been anticipating anything happening at the WH or the Capitol, just worried about street violence, but it seems like it's not happening, even at the state capitols. Maybe we've really shaken the luck of 2020!

Cordel One wrote:
Senkaku wrote:...wealth isn’t the only factor in determining the concept of privilege either. You can do some things as a poor white person, you can do other things as a rich Black person, etc. (do you need me to draw a square?)

Recognizing nuance means not blowing off the whole concept of white privilege because you misleadingly equate it with saying poor white people don’t suffer or aren’t poor. Which is what happens every time a conservative brings up the phrase.

Exactly.

I was saying that was what you were uncritically going along with.

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Senkaku wrote:[Snip]

Since this is directed at me: No, I need you to get it through your head that I have foed you; I do NOT wish to engage with you, and that I do not normally read your posts. I wouldn't have read this if it hasn't been quoted by someone else. Continuously quoting me isn't going to get me to debate with you further nor get me to consider your point of view.

Other people can't see if you've foed them, so this is not really my problem.

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:

Good riddance to the border wall, travel ban should be integrated as part of greater immigration reform making immigration much harder without apt assimilation

Yes, let's try and make our society even more like Japan-- we've developed a hikikomori-esque underclass and an increasingly alienated relationship to sex and physicality, now we need the population stagnation and decline brought about by extremely low levels of immigration (especially so it can make our economic problems even worse)!
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:04 pm

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:

Good riddance to the border wall, travel ban should be integrated as part of greater immigration reform making immigration much harder without apt assimilation


Bro immigration is already too difficult as it is. That's precisely why we have such a problem with illegal immigration.

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Postby Freiheit Reich » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:04 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
"Democracy is 51% of the people taking away the rights of the other 49%."-Thomas Jefferson

Yes, it has and that is not always a good thing.


the irony of this fake quote is that of all the Founders they could have picked, TJ was the most pro direct democracy of the bunch


I was proven inferior by my mistake. This time I was more careful with quotes. It seems TJ was not pro-mob rule like some may think just because he didn't say a quote that many think he did. This does not mean he was against democracy. Like some other founding fathers, he recognized that it is not perfect and it can work but with caution. If the quote below is wrong, feel free to call me inferior and post rude photos that insult me-I won't report them- but know that it came from these sources below (including a respected university economics professor that sadly passed away recently-RIP Walter Williams):

The Founders' Vision Versus Ours

https://townhall.com/columnists/waltere ... s-n1200806

What would the founders think about our respect for democracy and majority rule? Here's what Thomas Jefferson said: "The majority, oppressing an individual, is guilty of a crime, abuses its strength, and by acting on the law of the strongest breaks up the foundations of society."

Learn the Constitution, Or Else

https://mises.org/library/learn-constitution-or-else

Thomas Jefferson warned that "[an] elective despotism was not the government we fought for," and that "The majority, oppressing an individual, is guilty of a crime, abuses its strength, and by acting on the law of the strongest breaks up the foundations of society." Alexander Hamilton asserted that "Real liberty is not found in the extremes of democracy."

Democratic Disillusions

https://www.cato.org/publications/comme ... sillusions

I hope Biden respects our rights. This article below believes he will. We shall see.

Biden Acknowledges Constitutional Limits to the Power of the Presidency

https://reason.com/2020/12/23/biden-ack ... residency/
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