American Politics III: New President, Same Old Country

[Nakena]

Total troop strength in Washington may have reached 65.000 according to NG officer:

https://twitter.com/NetworksManager/sta ... 1484846087

[Bombadil]

Trump boasts he had more people at his inauguration than Biden will.

[The New California Republic]

Actually it does, in that it's pointing out that it's likely not really relevant for justifying it today, as in the first instance he gave no additional context to justify the appeal to history, so the onus is on him to show why it's relevant.

Well the claim was that there were insurmountable cultural difference between countries where corporal punishment was practiced and the USA. We used to do the same thing up until incredibly recently, we still have movies that reference paddling in high schools. As mentioned sailors used to be flogged, and actually preferred it to more 'humiliating' punishments like being forced to wear a sign labeling them a drunkard.

While I'm not particularly in favor of it, the idea that it's some foreign thing that would be incomprehensible to the American culture is kind of silly.

But again the cultural shift that has taken place since flogging was banned over a century ago has been massive. Trying to bring it kicking and screaming into the 21st century, as he is wanting to do, would be so jarringly anachronistic that it would cause such a culture clash that it'd be difficult, if not nigh on impossible, to integrate it.

[Omniabstracta]

Total troop strength in Washington may have reached 65.000 according to NG officer:

https://twitter.com/NetworksManager/sta ... 1484846087

I personally am thrilled by the “3rd Reich” arriving in “Commiefornia.”

Trump boasts he had more people at his inauguration than Biden will.

Honestly, at this point, who in the hell does he think cares?

[Freiheit Reich]

Yes, America can also quickly lose freedoms because many people don't value them enough. America had McCarthyism and the Red Scare in the 1950's. You forget about how 9/11 scared Americans into getting the Patriot Act and the domino theory caused American men to be drafted to fight and die in a nation halfway across the world that many Americans had probably never heard of just a few years before.

Yet you want to introduce things like corporal punishment. I don't know who you are trying to kid, but you can't have your cake and eat it. Seriously, if trying to hold those two contradictory beliefs isn't putting up tons of red flags for you then you sorely need to analyse it a bit more closely.

The founding fathers Washington and Jefferson were fine with it. I am not an anarchist. Do you favor abolishing all prisons and NOT punishing people for breaking laws? Should we have suggestions instead of laws for actions like thievery and arson and rape?

Why Judicial Corporal Punishment Is Better Than Incarceration

http://corrections.com/news/article/282 ... arceration

While we often associate flogging with slavery in the United States, it was used effectively by General George Washington to discipline his mainly white troops. The Continental Congress initially authorized Washington to apply no more than 40 lashes, but in 1776, Washington sought and obtained authority from Congress to impose 100 lashes. Shortly before the battle of Yorktown, Washington sought authority to impose 500 lashes. Thomas Jefferson provided for "stripes" in a statute he drew for Virginia.

[Bombadil]

Yet you want to introduce things like corporal punishment. I don't know who you are trying to kid, but you can't have your cake and eat it. Seriously, if trying to hold those two contradictory beliefs isn't putting up tons of red flags for you then you sorely need to analyse it a bit more closely.

The founding fathers Washington and Jefferson were fine with it. I am not an anarchist. Do you favor abolishing all prisons and NOT punishing people for breaking laws? Should we have suggestions instead of laws for actions like thievery and arson and rape?

Why Judicial Corporal Punishment Is Better Than Incarceration

http://corrections.com/news/article/282 ... arceration

While we often associate flogging with slavery in the United States, it was used effectively by General George Washington to discipline his mainly white troops. The Continental Congress initially authorized Washington to apply no more than 40 lashes, but in 1776, Washington sought and obtained authority from Congress to impose 100 lashes. Shortly before the battle of Yorktown, Washington sought authority to impose 500 lashes. Thomas Jefferson provided for "stripes" in a statute he drew for Virginia.

The fact he went from 40 to 100 to 500 suggests it wasn't working.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Yet you want to introduce things like corporal punishment. I don't know who you are trying to kid, but you can't have your cake and eat it. Seriously, if trying to hold those two contradictory beliefs isn't putting up tons of red flags for you then you sorely need to analyse it a bit more closely.

The founding fathers Washington and Jefferson were fine with it. I am not an anarchist. Do you favor abolishing all prisons and NOT punishing people for breaking laws? Should we have suggestions instead of laws for actions like thievery and arson and rape?

Why Judicial Corporal Punishment Is Better Than Incarceration

http://corrections.com/news/article/282 ... arceration

While we often associate flogging with slavery in the United States, it was used effectively by General George Washington to discipline his mainly white troops. The Continental Congress initially authorized Washington to apply no more than 40 lashes, but in 1776, Washington sought and obtained authority from Congress to impose 100 lashes. Shortly before the battle of Yorktown, Washington sought authority to impose 500 lashes. Thomas Jefferson provided for "stripes" in a statute he drew for Virginia.

That's because we didn't have many prisons back then and it was more lenient than capital punishment. It doesn't mean that we should emulate it, but rather that the founders had limited judicial options during that time.

[The Reformed American Republic]

[Snip]

Since this is directed at me: No, I need you to get it through your head that I have foed you; I do NOT wish to engage with you, and that I do not normally read your posts. I wouldn't have read this if it hasn't been quoted by someone else. Continuously quoting me isn't going to get me to debate with you further nor get me to consider your point of view.

[Freiheit Reich]

And? Sometimes things a century ago were better than they are today. This isn't to say I support the specific anachronism lauded here. But just because something was stopped a long time ago doesn't mean what we replaced it with was better.

Congratulations. You have somehow boggled my mind enough to utilize these emoji things. We are all dumber for reading this.

So you believe modern things are always better and that changes are always better?

[The New California Republic]

Yet you want to introduce things like corporal punishment. I don't know who you are trying to kid, but you can't have your cake and eat it. Seriously, if trying to hold those two contradictory beliefs isn't putting up tons of red flags for you then you sorely need to analyse it a bit more closely.

The founding fathers Washington and Jefferson were fine with it.

I really couldn't care less. Also, appeal to authority fallacy.

Do you favor abolishing all prisons and NOT punishing people for breaking laws? Should we have suggestions instead of laws for actions like thievery and arson and rape?

Weird strawman again. Please stop doing that.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Total troop strength in Washington may have reached 65.000 according to NG officer:

https://twitter.com/NetworksManager/sta ... 1484846087

Holy fuck. Who does Trump have on his side, Godzilla?

[Comerciante]

Congratulations. You have somehow boggled my mind enough to utilize these emoji things. We are all dumber for reading this.

So you believe modern things are always better and that changes are always better?

I believe we should stop wasting time trying to idolize the past like you love to do.

[Corrian]

So the entire west coast may not have a single high up Republican after all

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Yet you want to introduce things like corporal punishment. I don't know who you are trying to kid, but you can't have your cake and eat it. Seriously, if trying to hold those two contradictory beliefs isn't putting up tons of red flags for you then you sorely need to analyse it a bit more closely.

The founding fathers Washington and Jefferson were fine with it. I am not an anarchist. Do you favor abolishing all prisons and NOT punishing people for breaking laws? Should we have suggestions instead of laws for actions like thievery and arson and rape?

Why Judicial Corporal Punishment Is Better Than Incarceration

http://corrections.com/news/article/282 ... arceration

While we often associate flogging with slavery in the United States, it was used effectively by General George Washington to discipline his mainly white troops. The Continental Congress initially authorized Washington to apply no more than 40 lashes, but in 1776, Washington sought and obtained authority from Congress to impose 100 lashes. Shortly before the battle of Yorktown, Washington sought authority to impose 500 lashes. Thomas Jefferson provided for "stripes" in a statute he drew for Virginia.

They also owned slaves and Jefferson raped one of his. Please stop Deifying the founders.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Total troop strength in Washington may have reached 65.000 according to NG officer:

https://twitter.com/NetworksManager/sta ... 1484846087

I personally am thrilled by the “3rd Reich” arriving in “Commiefornia.”

https://youtu.be/jrWflCJPM4w

[The Reformed American Republic]

They also owned slaves and Jefferson raped one of his. Please stop Deifying the founders.

Many nations deify their foundations, and America is no different. With that being said, we shouldn't implement something just because the founders did it.

[Stellar Colonies]

I personally am thrilled by the “3rd Reich” arriving in “Commiefornia.”

https://youtu.be/jrWflCJPM4w

Oh boy, this looks interesting.

[San Lumen]

So the entire west coast may not have a single high up Republican after all

Her switching parties or becoming an independent would be extraordinary and a huge blow to Republicans.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

They also owned slaves and Jefferson raped one of his. Please stop Deifying the founders.

Many nations deify their foundations, and America is no different. With that being said, we shouldn't implement something just because the founders did it.

I never said we were unique. My point was simply "don't assume it was morally right just because the founders did it." Never stan for someone. It's okay to agree with someone sometimes but never base all your ideas around thinking a certain person is perfect.

[Freiheit Reich]

Trump boasts he had more people at his inauguration than Biden will.

We shall see tomorrow. Biden didn't get big crowds at his rallies meaning people voted against Trump more than they voted for Biden. Biden is not popular. Trump is just more unpopular.

[Shanzie]

I know I only pop in every once in a while, but I do want to say this:

I am extremely afraid for tomorrow. I live in Tennessee and am in peoples houses fixing stuff every day. 2 today told me that "the storm is coming" and to keep an eye on the inauguration. It legit scares me that these nutcases are both rich and poor, poorly educated or very educated. What has happened to our country in the last four years is the radicalization of the right wing to the point militia men are now accepted as normal. Loeffler in Georgia even had an event with them. Its terrifying.

I'm honestly truly nervous about tomorrow.

[San Lumen]

Trump boasts he had more people at his inauguration than Biden will.

We shall see tomorrow. Biden didn't get big crowds at his rallies meaning people voted against Trump more than they voted for Biden. Biden is not popular. Trump is just more unpopular.

crowd size means absolutely nothing when it comes to winning an election.

[Neutraligon]

Trump boasts he had more people at his inauguration than Biden will.

Possible since we are still in the middle of the pandemic and Biden actually cares about that, though I wonder if he is counting the NG.

[Shanzie]

Trump boasts he had more people at his inauguration than Biden will.

We shall see tomorrow. Biden didn't get big crowds at his rallies meaning people voted against Trump more than they voted for Biden. Biden is not popular. Trump is just more unpopular.

He also requested them not to.... you know, because covid?

[San Lumen]

I know I only pop in every once in a while, but I do want to say this:

I am extremely afraid for tomorrow. I live in Tennessee and am in peoples houses fixing stuff every day. 2 today told me that "the storm is coming" and to keep an eye on the inauguration. It legit scares me that these nutcases are both rich and poor, poorly educated or very educated. What has happened to our country in the last four years is the radicalization of the right wing to the point militia men are now accepted as normal. Loeffler in Georgia even had an event with them. Its terrifying.

I'm honestly truly nervous about tomorrow.

I doubt anything is going to happen.