American Politics III: New President, Same Old Country

[The New California Republic]

He has stated it to be God's plan (or the Chinese) for people to die from this pandemic.

Who created viruses that kill millions? Why does malaria, smallpox, typhoid, HIV, COVID-19, hepatitus, cholera, and diptheria exist? Who created these evils? If you believe in God, you probably believe he created them as a way to ensure humans don't have it too easy.

I believe God created most diseases. He could also stop starvation and droughts and floods which kill many but chooses not to help.

Why is it weird to blame God for the virus deaths if he created it? Also, even if he did not create it, he could probably stop the deaths from happening if he chose to. People blame Trump but why aren't religious people questioning God's role in this? You might say Trump did not stop the virus but do you think he created it?

If you say China and God did not create the virus, then who created it? This is a serious question.

[Freiheit Reich]

Are you saying that multicultural Singapore, with an HDI higher than the USA and better economic freedom rankings and lower corruption rankings, is a Nazi nation because they cane people?

2020 Index of Economic Freedom – Singapore tops list

https://sg.finance.yahoo.com/news/2020- ... 00413.html

Note: I agree it is too authoritarian BUT their idea to cane people is fine.

I guess you forgot they are also culturally different in their application of corporal punishment.
Luck at most of East Asia, and even the Sub-Continent.

Is it right? No.
But should we follow their traditions?
FUCK NO!

The US Navy had flogging as a punishment (which has similarities to caning). It is not just an Asian or African tradition to hit people as a punishment. If you feel better, we can flog instead of cane prisoners:

Flogging at Sea, Discipline and Punishment in the Old Navy

http://www.usgwarchives.net/va/portsmou ... pline.html

[Kowani]

Justice Department ends stock trade inquiry into Sen. Richard Burr (R-NC) without charges

[Celritannia]

I guess you forgot they are also culturally different in their application of corporal punishment.
Luck at most of East Asia, and even the Sub-Continent.

Is it right? No.
But should we follow their traditions?
FUCK NO!

The US Navy had flogging as a punishment (which has similarities to caning). It is not just an Asian or African tradition to hit people as a punishment. If you feel better, we can flog instead of cane prisoners:

Flogging at Sea, Discipline and Punishment in the Old Navy

http://www.usgwarchives.net/va/portsmou ... pline.html

So did most of the western world at the time.
But that does not mean anything. It was not a cultural aspect.

Nor will the constitution allow it, as Shrill mentioned.

[Neutraligon]

I guess you forgot they are also culturally different in their application of corporal punishment.
Luck at most of East Asia, and even the Sub-Continent.

Is it right? No.
But should we follow their traditions?
FUCK NO!

The US Navy had flogging as a punishment (which has similarities to caning). It is not just an Asian or African tradition to hit people as a punishment. If you feel better, we can flog instead of cane prisoners:

Flogging at Sea, Discipline and Punishment in the Old Navy

http://www.usgwarchives.net/va/portsmou ... pline.html

You are aware of the connotations associated with flogging, right?

[Comerciante]

I guess you forgot they are also culturally different in their application of corporal punishment.
Luck at most of East Asia, and even the Sub-Continent.

Is it right? No.
But should we follow their traditions?
FUCK NO!

The US Navy had flogging as a punishment (which has similarities to caning). It is not just an Asian or African tradition to hit people as a punishment. If you feel better, we can flog instead of cane prisoners:

Flogging at Sea, Discipline and Punishment in the Old Navy

http://www.usgwarchives.net/va/portsmou ... pline.html

We quit that in 1850.

171 years ago.

[The New California Republic]

I guess you forgot they are also culturally different in their application of corporal punishment.
Luck at most of East Asia, and even the Sub-Continent.

Is it right? No.
But should we follow their traditions?
FUCK NO!

The US Navy had flogging as a punishment (which has similarities to caning). It is not just an Asian or African tradition to hit people as a punishment. If you feel better, we can flog instead of cane prisoners:

Flogging at Sea, Discipline and Punishment in the Old Navy

http://www.usgwarchives.net/va/portsmou ... pline.html

Had. Had. Not currently. Had. Can't you see how ridiculous it is to appeal to something that the US stopped doing well over a century ago, as if it is somehow relevant for justifying it today?

[Bombadil]

The US Navy had flogging as a punishment (which has similarities to caning). It is not just an Asian or African tradition to hit people as a punishment. If you feel better, we can flog instead of cane prisoners:

Flogging at Sea, Discipline and Punishment in the Old Navy

http://www.usgwarchives.net/va/portsmou ... pline.html

We quit that in 1850.

171 years ago.

My school was about the last to allow caning, requiring a letter of permission from parents, which apparently my parents were happy with given I was caned on numerous occasions.

It in no way taught me not to break rules, it taught me the importance of not getting caught for breaking the rules.

[Kowani]

Fox begins the purge

[The Emerald Legion]

The US Navy had flogging as a punishment (which has similarities to caning). It is not just an Asian or African tradition to hit people as a punishment. If you feel better, we can flog instead of cane prisoners:

Flogging at Sea, Discipline and Punishment in the Old Navy

http://www.usgwarchives.net/va/portsmou ... pline.html

Had. Had. Not currently. Had. Can't you see how ridiculous it is to appeal to something that the US stopped doing well over a century ago, as if it is somehow relevant for justifying it today?

And? Sometimes things a century ago were better than they are today. This isn't to say I support the specific anachronism lauded here. But just because something was stopped a long time ago doesn't mean what we replaced it with was better.

[Zurkerx]

Justice Department ends stock trade inquiry into Sen. Richard Burr (R-NC) without charges

I'm not surprised though it is mildly disappointing. Still, he is set to retire regardless and his seat will be a competitive one in 2022.

[Comerciante]

Had. Had. Not currently. Had. Can't you see how ridiculous it is to appeal to something that the US stopped doing well over a century ago, as if it is somehow relevant for justifying it today?

And? Sometimes things a century ago were better than they are today. This isn't to say I support the specific anachronism lauded here. But just because something was stopped a long time ago doesn't mean what we replaced it with was better.

Congratulations. You have somehow boggled my mind enough to utilize these emoji things. We are all dumber for reading this.

[Zurkerx]

Fox begins the purge

I'm not sure if purge is the right word, but this does seem to be a re-alignment: Murdoch did not like Arizona being called that soon and it damaged Fox's Reputation. Unfortunately, they aren't getting rid of the right people though if I'm not mistaken, the likes of Hannity, Carlson, and others have seen a decline in viewership.

[Bombadil]

Fox begins the purge

I'm not sure if purge is the right word, but this does seem to be a re-alignment: Murdoch did not like Arizona being called that soon and it damaged Fox's Reputation. Unfortunately, they aren't getting rid of the right people though if I'm not mistaken, the likes of Hannity, Carlson, and others have seen a decline in viewership.

I think a lot of right wingers have abandoned FOX, if you look at comments under the articles they're pretty anti-Trump now whereas previously they were very pro.

[The Emerald Legion]

And? Sometimes things a century ago were better than they are today. This isn't to say I support the specific anachronism lauded here. But just because something was stopped a long time ago doesn't mean what we replaced it with was better.

Congratulations. You have somehow boggled my mind enough to utilize these emoji things. We are all dumber for reading this.

Not really. Do you believe that literally every modern change is better?

[Freiheit Reich]

Comparing my prisons to Nazi concentration camps is ridiculous. Prisons with labor requirements and caning existed well before Hitler was even born. I even suggested they have recreation facilities (but no internet or TV) so they can play board games, read, and play volleyball and basketball in their spare time. Most prisoners are not monsters and should be treated fairly.

I think you saw this movie and think I want prisons to be this harsh which is not true:

I Am a Fugitive from a Chain Gang (1932)

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0023042/

There is a constitution, FR, and the constitution explicitly forbids cruel and unusual punishment, of which corporal punishment is considered.

How is sentencing a man to 25 years to life for stealing some pizza not 'cruel and unusual'? You act like the US doesn't give tough sentences to prisoners. Would you rather get 25 years in prison or 6 months and 3 hits with a cane? Also, flogging in the US navy happened AFTER the US Constitution was written.

Stealing one slice of pizza results in life sentence

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Ste ... 150629.php

[Kowani]

Fox begins the purge

I'm not sure if purge is the right word, but this does seem to be a re-alignment: Murdoch did not like Arizona being called that soon and it damaged Fox's Reputation. Unfortunately, they aren't getting rid of the right people though if I'm not mistaken, the likes of Hannity, Carlson, and others have seen a decline in viewership.

while I don't know about viewership numbers, that wouldn't surprise me
a lot of hard-trumpers are really unhappy that the pundits weren't calling out the "stolen election" and every other conspiracy theory the base floated up

[The New California Republic]

Had. Had. Not currently. Had. Can't you see how ridiculous it is to appeal to something that the US stopped doing well over a century ago, as if it is somehow relevant for justifying it today?

And? Sometimes things a century ago were better than they are today. This isn't to say I support the specific anachronism lauded here. But just because something was stopped a long time ago doesn't mean what we replaced it with was better.

Actually it does, in that it's pointing out that it's likely not really relevant for justifying it today, as in the first instance he gave no additional context to justify the appeal to history, so the onus is on him to show why it's relevant.

[Omniabstracta]

There is a constitution, FR, and the constitution explicitly forbids cruel and unusual punishment, of which corporal punishment is considered.

How is sentencing a man to 25 years to life for stealing some pizza not 'cruel and unusual'? You act like the US doesn't give tough sentences to prisoners. Would you rather get 25 years in prison or 6 months and 3 hits with a cane? Also, flogging in the US navy happened AFTER the US Constitution was written.

Stealing one slice of pizza results in life sentence

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Ste ... 150629.php

Then how about we, y’know, fix the overly harsh punishments in our current justice system, as opposed to introducing new ones? Just because things are broken and need to be fixed doesn’t mean that breaking them more is allowable.

[Zurkerx]

I'm not sure if purge is the right word, but this does seem to be a re-alignment: Murdoch did not like Arizona being called that soon and it damaged Fox's Reputation. Unfortunately, they aren't getting rid of the right people though if I'm not mistaken, the likes of Hannity, Carlson, and others have seen a decline in viewership.

I think a lot of right wingers have abandoned FOX, if you look at comments under the articles they're pretty anti-Trump now whereas previously they were very pro.

That's a good point: my mom and her new husband have now moved to Newsmax, saying Fox has become "more Democrat" somehow; OANN is another. Apparently, the Fox brings too many Democrats on and don't defend Trump enough and is no longer a "centrist" network. And yes, I kid you not: that is what they told me.

[Kowani]

Biden to propose 8-year citizenship path for immigrants

[Zurkerx]

I'm not sure if purge is the right word, but this does seem to be a re-alignment: Murdoch did not like Arizona being called that soon and it damaged Fox's Reputation. Unfortunately, they aren't getting rid of the right people though if I'm not mistaken, the likes of Hannity, Carlson, and others have seen a decline in viewership.

while I don't know about viewership numbers, that wouldn't surprise me
a lot of hard-trumpers are really unhappy that the pundits weren't calling out the "stolen election" and every other conspiracy theory the base floated up

I haven't watched Fox in months. When it's on, I see glimpses of it. I would imagine Hannity and Carlson are still on their conspiracy rants, especially the former.

[San Lumen]

Biden to propose 8-year citizenship path for immigrants

fantastic. I endorse that. Plus he will increase the number of refugees we take in in 2022. I doubt we take in any this year.

[Comerciante]

Congratulations. You have somehow boggled my mind enough to utilize these emoji things. We are all dumber for reading this.

Not really. Do you believe that literally every modern change is better?

Literally every modern change?

No.

But the list of things we do better a century ago is minuscule to a degree that you would have to be wearing glasses made out of ruby to even suggest they are worth giving up what we have now for it.

[The Emerald Legion]

And? Sometimes things a century ago were better than they are today. This isn't to say I support the specific anachronism lauded here. But just because something was stopped a long time ago doesn't mean what we replaced it with was better.

Actually it does, in that it's pointing out that it's likely not really relevant for justifying it today, as in the first instance he gave no additional context to justify the appeal to history, so the onus is on him to show why it's relevant.

Well the claim was that there were insurmountable cultural difference between countries where corporal punishment was practiced and the USA. We used to do the same thing up until incredibly recently, we still have movies that reference paddling in high schools. As mentioned sailors used to be flogged, and actually preferred it to more 'humiliating' punishments like being forced to wear a sign labeling them a drunkard.

While I'm not particularly in favor of it, the idea that it's some foreign thing that would be incomprehensible to the American culture is kind of silly.