American Politics III: New President, Same Old Country

[No State Here]

This is like calling Biden a communist

Actually I remember seeing a quote, "Fascism and communism are like today’s "heretic," something so inexplicably evil that it should be excluded from the political process completely, and used as a general insult between politicians"

Right.

So how do you explain the insurrectionists who stormed the capitol bringing with them fascist and white nationalist flags that they hung up in the Capitol Building?

Plenty of white nat flags, but which fascist flags were there?

[Omniabstracta]

FOX being FOX and completely ignoring the covid victim memorial service to talk about “left-wing hypocrisy:”

Stay classy.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

Bernie Sanders and AOC calle themselves socialists, does that make them socialists?

Yes.

Outside of the confines of the US government they have shown very socialist views and support for far left movements in other countries.

Huh, you think Sanders is a "secret socialist" who puts on a Socdem facade to be palatable to the American voting public?

[Kowani]

Right.

So how do you explain the insurrectionists who stormed the capitol bringing with them fascist and white nationalist flags that they hung up in the Capitol Building?

Plenty of white nat flags, but which fascist flags were there?

I can’t think of any flags, but…

[Major-Tom]

I have this gnawing bad feeling about Inauguration Day. Wish I didn't.

Sharing is caring. How do you feel about it?

I don't know. It's like an unspecified feeling that these next few weeks are going to be really bad, whether it's tomorrow or later on. I get these weird gut feelings ever so often, sometimes they turn out to be right, other times it just turns out to be mere anxiety over nothing. As someone who hopes I'm a rational person, I'm erring towards the latter.

[Agarntrop]

Bernie Sanders and AOC calle themselves socialists, does that make them socialists?

Berne even appeared on Soviet television.

Soooo?

The Bushes and Trumps willingly led the Saudis assrape them for money, does that mean the Bush and Trump dynasties support absolute monarchy?

[New haven america]

Right.

So how do you explain the insurrectionists who stormed the capitol bringing with them fascist and white nationalist flags that they hung up in the Capitol Building?

Plenty of white nat flags, but which fascist flags were there?

You didn't see the America First flags?

[Nakena]

Right.

So how do you explain the insurrectionists who stormed the capitol bringing with them fascist and white nationalist flags that they hung up in the Capitol Building?

Plenty of white nat flags, but which fascist flags were there?

If we go by the historical definition probably not a lot. Actual fascism isnt really popular outside of some obscure facebook groups to my knowledge. But I would not rule out that some actual fascists were present there. It wouldn really surprise me either. Like people affiliated to the Traditionalist Workers Party or so.

If you broaden the definition (which most people here will do anyways since they prefer an ahistorical, broad definition of fascism) then you get people like the 6MWE and camp ausschwitz types there and a bunch of neo-nazis too. And even more alt-righters.

[New haven america]

Yes.

Outside of the confines of the US government they have shown very socialist views and support for far left movements in other countries.

Huh, you think Sanders is a "secret socialist" who puts on a Socdem facade to be palatable to the American voting public?

Bernie doesn't say he's a SocDem, he says he's a Democratic Socialist.

He argues for SocDem policies, but that's because he's trying to work with the confines of the very right-wing US government.

Have you ever paid attention to one of his speeches or rallies or interviews?

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

Plenty of white nat flags, but which fascist flags were there?

If we go by the historical definition probably not a lot. Actual fascism isnt really popular outside of some obscure facebook groups to my knowledge. But I would not rule out that some actual fascists were present there. It wouldn really surprise me either.

Not in name, but plenty of people unknowingly support policy positions that line up almost exactly with fascism, not to mention Falangism is still a living political movement in Spain and it espouses the principles of original historical fascism such as the third positionism, opposition to both capitalism and socialism, etc.

Plenty of white nat flags, but which fascist flags were there?

You didn't see the America First flags?

Alt-right LARPer Nick Fuentes calling himself a fascist doesn’t make him one

[Andsed]

Sharing is caring. How do you feel about it?

I don't know. It's like an unspecified feeling that these next few weeks are going to be really bad, whether it's tomorrow or later on. I get these weird gut feelings ever so often, sometimes they turn out to be right, other times it just turns out to be mere anxiety over nothing. As someone who hopes I'm a rational person, I'm erring towards the latter.

I'm definitely worried about whats going to happen tomorrow as well. Biden officially taking office and completing the "stealing of the election" just seems like the perfect spark to light the fuses of these "Stop the Steal" types. I would honestly be a bit surprised if there was no violence tomorrow.

[Nakena]

Berne even appeared on Soviet television.

Soooo?

The Bushes and Trumps willingly led the Saudis assrape them for money, does that mean the Bush and Trump dynasties support absolute monarchy?

No. I do not believe Bernie Sanders supports explicitly marxism-leninism. But he certainly didn mind them. Would him make that a bad President theoretically speaking? Not necessarily.

Like Trump likes the alt-right and Reagen went along with the Contras. So not really an issue.

[New haven america]

If we go by the historical definition probably not a lot. Actual fascism isnt really popular outside of some obscure facebook groups to my knowledge. But I would not rule out that some actual fascists were present there. It wouldn really surprise me either.

Not in name, but plenty of people unknowingly support policy positions that line up almost exactly with fascism, not to mention Falangism is still a living political movement in Spain and it espouses the principles of original historical fascism such as the third positionism, opposition to both capitalism and socialism, etc.

You didn't see the America First flags?

Alt-right LARPer Nick Fuentes calling himself a fascist doesn’t make him one

Ah yes.

"I don't like X so it's not real fascism."

Is this ever gonna get old to you? Got old to us a while ago.

[Freiheit Reich]

I said many times I am not 100% libertarian and disagree with them about immigration.

When did I compliment the Nazis and Himmler?

You want to run nazi-inspired, authoritarian labour camps.

Your beliefs in every sphere align with paleoconservatism as opposed to libertarianism

Are you saying that multicultural Singapore, with an HDI higher than the USA and better economic freedom rankings and lower corruption rankings, is a Nazi nation because they cane people?

2020 Index of Economic Freedom – Singapore tops list

https://sg.finance.yahoo.com/news/2020- ... 00413.html

Note: I agree it is too authoritarian BUT their idea to cane people is fine.

[Major-Tom]

I don't know. It's like an unspecified feeling that these next few weeks are going to be really bad, whether it's tomorrow or later on. I get these weird gut feelings ever so often, sometimes they turn out to be right, other times it just turns out to be mere anxiety over nothing. As someone who hopes I'm a rational person, I'm erring towards the latter.

I'm definitely worried about whats going to happen tomorrow as well. Biden officially taking office and completing the "stealing of the election" just seems like the perfect spark to light the fuses of these "Stop the Steal" types. I would honestly be a bit surprised if there was no violence tomorrow.

Again, the rational side of me says no chance. On the 6th, D.C was just not prepared. As of now, there are thousands of national guard troops in D.C, roads are blocked off in the core of D.C, there is a slew of precautions.

On top of that, there is no known organized event for tomorrow. Law enforcement knew of an event on the 6th since Trump and his allies were promoting attendance. But there isn't one for tomorrow.

I think everything will be good, maybe I'm just worried about after the inauguration. Either way, I hope the sinking gut feeling goes away.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Alt-right LARPer Nick Fuentes calling himself a fascist doesn’t make him one

He is a fascist, just a different type than you are. This argument is as flawed as the Soviet Union not being "real" communism.

[New haven america]

Alt-right LARPer Nick Fuentes calling himself a fascist doesn’t make him one

He is a fascist, just a different type than you are. This argument is as flawed as the Soviet Union not being "real" communism.

Well, no, the latter isn't.

A communist society is a stateless, classless society where the workers control the means of production. And none of that was the case for the USSR, so it wasn't communist. It was trying to achieve communism.

[Nakena]

Was George Wallace a fascist?

[The New California Republic]

You want to run nazi-inspired, authoritarian labour camps.

Your beliefs in every sphere align with paleoconservatism as opposed to libertarianism

Are you saying that multicultural Singapore, with an HDI higher than the USA and better economic freedom rankings and lower corruption rankings, is a Nazi nation because they cane people?

2020 Index of Economic Freedom – Singapore tops list

https://sg.finance.yahoo.com/news/2020- ... 00413.html

Note: I agree it is too authoritarian BUT their idea to cane people is fine.

Another strawman. Seriously, give it up.

[Andsed]

I'm definitely worried about whats going to happen tomorrow as well. Biden officially taking office and completing the "stealing of the election" just seems like the perfect spark to light the fuses of these "Stop the Steal" types. I would honestly be a bit surprised if there was no violence tomorrow.

Again, the rational side of me says no chance. On the 6th, D.C was just not prepared. As of now, there are thousands of national guard troops in D.C, roads are blocked off in the core of D.C, there is a slew of precautions.

On top of that, there is no known organized event for tomorrow. Law enforcement knew of an event on the 6th since Trump and his allies were promoting attendance. But there isn't one for tomorrow.

I think everything will be good, maybe I'm just worried about after the inauguration. Either way, I hope the sinking gut feeling goes away.

My fear is that despite the guards presence a few chucklefucks are going to try something and things will escalate to violence. Im probably being paranoid but I would rather be pleasantly surprised at this point.

[Major-Tom]

Again, the rational side of me says no chance. On the 6th, D.C was just not prepared. As of now, there are thousands of national guard troops in D.C, roads are blocked off in the core of D.C, there is a slew of precautions.

On top of that, there is no known organized event for tomorrow. Law enforcement knew of an event on the 6th since Trump and his allies were promoting attendance. But there isn't one for tomorrow.

I think everything will be good, maybe I'm just worried about after the inauguration. Either way, I hope the sinking gut feeling goes away.

My fear is that despite the guards presence a few chucklefucks are going to try something and things will escalate to violence. Im probably being paranoid but I would rather be pleasantly surprised at this point.

The difference is, if they try some shit this time, which they might, they have the full force of up to 25,000 various military, national guard, and police forces around them.

[Bombadil]

So the defence of the 6th comes down to..

a. Trump didn't personally lead the charge
b. They weren't fascists

Brilliant.

[Freiheit Reich]

It happened in red China during Mao's era. It is ironic that today in China, many parents WANT their kids to learn the piano and violin. Mao must be spinning in his grave at the thought.

Once banned, classical music finds an unlikely future in China

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/wo ... e14881218/

book censorship in China

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_cens ... Mao_Zedong

This has nothing to do with anything.

It shows how people are fine with taking away basic rights from others until their own rights are taken away. That is why I defended Ozzie Guillen's praise for Fidel Castro even though I dislike Fidel Castro. Leftist speech should be protected as well and so should the right to walk more than 3 miles from your house or cross state borders in Australia. Who knows what activities will be banned tomorrow if walking a few miles from home is banned today?

[New haven america]

It happened in red China during Mao's era. It is ironic that today in China, many parents WANT their kids to learn the piano and violin. Mao must be spinning in his grave at the thought.

Once banned, classical music finds an unlikely future in China

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/wo ... e14881218/

book censorship in China

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_cens ... Mao_Zedong

This has nothing to do with anything.

Something that can be said about most of Reich's posts.

[Bombadil]

This has nothing to do with anything.

It shows how people are fine with taking away basic rights from others until their own rights are taken away. That is why I defended Ozzie Guillen's praise for Fidel Castro even though I dislike Fidel Castro. Leftist speech should be protected as well and so should the right to walk more than 3 miles from your house or cross state borders in Australia. Who knows what activities will be banned tomorrow if walking a few miles from home is banned today?

Sure, in no way are these temporary measures to halt a pandemic that has killed more than 2M people worldwide. An American is dying every 30 seconds from this. Your callous approach to these deaths is quite remarkable.