American Politics III: New President, Same Old Country

[Genivaria]

Given the current world situation, I think everyone has forgotten that and has started taking its existence for granted.

daily reminder that jeff bezos is a cunt

Truth.

[Genivaria]

Personally I don't even like the idea of your employer looking through your social media posts and firing you for them.
It's none of their goddamn business what I do or say once I'm off the clock.

[Kowani]

okay that point about trump only saying peaceful once and exhorting fighting and taking the capitol multiple times was pretty good

[Neutraligon]

that's uh
that's the same thing
it's a company (amazon isn't an ISP, btw) deciding they don't want to be held liable for people breaking the law


...you know parler's still up, right?

what
parler's always been used by trump supporters and right-wingers
it just got violent in the end

Open planning and advocating for violence SHOULD get individuals, groups, and platforms shut down.
Though the fact that such power is in the hands of corporations is something I find distasteful.

Issue is that even if the US government set up a server or an ISP or a social media app or whatever so that first amendment stuff does hold, these people would not trust it.

[Nejii]

...you know parler's still up, right?

I don't count Russian servers as it being "up", unless something's changed from what I last heard.

[Drew Durrnil]

Twitter is a company. It doesn't need to be democratic. It can ban which users they wish.

True and great point, but it is still against freedom of speech.

GMS.

Lack of freedom of speech is good if the speech is spreading misinformation and extremists views, like Trump.

[Salandriagado]

that's not an ISP
that's a marketplace deciding they don't want to be held liable for enabling people to break the law

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/09/amazon-drops-parler-from-its-web-hosting-service.html

Also not an ISP.

[Genivaria]

Open planning and advocating for violence SHOULD get individuals, groups, and platforms shut down.
Though the fact that such power is in the hands of corporations is something I find distasteful.

Issue is that even if the US government set up a server or an ISP or a social media app or whatever so that first amendment stuff does hold, these people would not trust it.

I'm not talking about the government hosting the platform, more like them being the ones to respond to reports of terroristic threats and incitement of violence.
Not that I favor actual surveillance or anything, but if a post is made on a message board or something I can see that being reason enough to trace them or something (I don't know software).

I feel like the US government is FAR too lenient with incitement of violence.

[Kowani]

I see Neera Tanden's confirmation hearing is going well

[The Alma Mater]

Twitter is a company. It doesn't need to be democratic. It can ban which users they wish.

True and great point, but it is still against freedom of speech.

It would be if Twitter were a government. Happily it is not.

Still, I did not see cries with outrage from the right when Parlers mods boasted they had banned "a bunch of leftists".

[Nejii]

True and great point, but it is still against freedom of speech.

GMS.

Lack of freedom of speech is good if the speech is spreading misinformation and extremists views, like Trump.

Unfortunately they aren't fair about who they ban.

Trump and his stolen election misinformation should be silenced, yes. But you have people who are politically left posting inflammatory things on Twitter and getting away with it. "#hangpence", decapitated Trump heads, dead cops tweets... (and this is just touching the surface) I mean the bias is hard to ignore.

Imagine if #lynchharris trended on Twitter...

[Greater Miami Shores]

True and great point, but it is still against freedom of speech.

GMS.

Lack of freedom of speech is good if the speech is spreading misinformation and extremists views, like Trump.

But the problem is President Trump has not done what you say. President Trump has not committed or encouraged any violence, as I have described in details many times.

Republican President Trump.

GMS.

[Kowani]

Lack of freedom of speech is good if the speech is spreading misinformation and extremists views, like Trump.

Unfortunately they aren't fair about who they ban.

Trump and his stolen election misinformation should be silenced, yes. But you have people who are politically left posting inflammatory things on Twitter and getting away with it. "#hangpence", decapitated Trump heads, dead cops tweets... (and this is just touching the surface) I mean the bias is hard to ignore.

Imagine if #lynchharris trended on Twitter...

...the "hang pence" thing was a response to a video of the trump supporters storming the capitol chanting "hang mike pence"

[Istoreya]

Lack of freedom of speech is good if the speech is spreading misinformation and extremists views, like Trump.

But the problem is President Trump has not done what you say. President Trump has not committed or encouraged any violence, as I have described in details many times.

Republican President Trump.

GMS.

But he did. And Twitter believes he did. And Twitter has the right to ban Trump if they believe he did. Because Twitter is a company and is not subject to freedom of speech

[Nejii]

Unfortunately they aren't fair about who they ban.

Trump and his stolen election misinformation should be silenced, yes. But you have people who are politically left posting inflammatory things on Twitter and getting away with it. "#hangpence", decapitated Trump heads, dead cops tweets... (and this is just touching the surface) I mean the bias is hard to ignore.

Imagine if #lynchharris trended on Twitter...

...the "hang pence" thing was a response to a video of the trump supporters storming the capitol chanting "hang mike pence"

Every single tweet, hmm? You can account for every single one of those tweets being far-right?

[Vassenor]

Lack of freedom of speech is good if the speech is spreading misinformation and extremists views, like Trump.

But the problem is President Trump has not done what you say. President Trump has not committed or encouraged any violence, as I have described in details many times.

Republican President Trump.

GMS.

And your evidence always boils down to "he didn't use the exact words". That's how flimsy your argument is.

[San Lumen]

Lack of freedom of speech is good if the speech is spreading misinformation and extremists views, like Trump.

But the problem is President Trump has not done what you say. President Trump has not committed or encouraged any violence, as I have described in details many times.

Republican President Trump.

GMS.

You clearly aren’t watching the same videos or evidence. It was a literal incitement of violence that started months earlier with false and baseless allegations of fraud that not one court upheld.

[Fartsniffage]

...the "hang pence" thing was a response to a video of the trump supporters storming the capitol chanting "hang mike pence"

Every single tweet, hmm? You can account for every single one of those tweets being far-right?

That's the exact opposite of what he said.

[Greater Miami Shores]

...the "hang pence" thing was a response to a video of the trump supporters storming the capitol chanting "hang mike pence"

Every single tweet, hmm? You can account for every single one of those tweets being far-right?

I posted to be fair and balanced, the Democrats should charge Democrat Maxine Watters for encouraging violence against Republican Trump supporters. Should charge Chuck Schumer for threatening US Supreme Court Justices, but I bet they wont. GMS.

[Kowani]

...the "hang pence" thing was a response to a video of the trump supporters storming the capitol chanting "hang mike pence"

Every single tweet, hmm? You can account for every single one of those tweets being far-right?

that's
not what i said

[Absolon-7]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/pence-homeless-couch-surfing-indiana-b1793261.html

Mike Pence is homeless after leaving office and ‘couch-surfing’ with Indiana politicians, report says

Reports say he is currently staying in a cabin owned by his former lieutenant governor, Indiana governor Eric Holcomb

wtf lmao. this is so weird to me

[Nejii]

Every single tweet, hmm? You can account for every single one of those tweets being far-right?

That's the exact opposite of what he said.

He's trying to pass it off as nothing but personally I'm just shilling for fairness really. I mean the bias is hard to cover when you allow people like Michael Isaacson, Kathy Griffin, and "yusufneedsarest" (I don't know his full name.) to incite hate and inflammatory rhetoric and at worst have a tweet or two deleted.

[Nejii]

Every single tweet, hmm? You can account for every single one of those tweets being far-right?

that's
not what i said

Eh... your pulling your usual. I called out a thing on the left and you had to try and put something forward to try and downplay it.

[Gravlen]

Not sure what your point is.

'make your own platform' is utter bs when applied in practise

That's free market capitalism for ya. *shrug*

[Salandriagado]

...the "hang pence" thing was a response to a video of the trump supporters storming the capitol chanting "hang mike pence"

Every single tweet, hmm? You can account for every single one of those tweets being far-right?

Can you find an example of one that isn't?