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Kowani
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:16 pm

Kowani wrote:wait
i remember posting that independent article that they're citing

ascended newsery

found it, ahaha!
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


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San Lumen
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Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby San Lumen » Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:16 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Plaskett is doing a fabulous job. How can the vote to convict not be unanimous after hearing the evidence?

Not sure if serious ...

I am serious. The evidence is so overwhelming how could any senator not vote to convict and bar him from office.

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Echo Chamber Thought Police
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Postby Echo Chamber Thought Police » Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:17 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Echo Chamber Thought Police wrote:twitter is a company and can do what it wants. therefore it can pay below the minimum wage and flaunt working regulations. all dems must agree with me.

I think you're confusing 1st Amendment with Labor Regulations.

since when did the 1st amendment give you the right to shut people up who you didnt like?
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:18 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Istoreya wrote:Twitter is a company. It doesn't need to be democratic. It can ban which users they wish.

True and great point, but it is still against freedom of speech.

GMS.

Not really, it's pretty established in the US that private companies are free to punish people for their statements or social media activity.
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Cordel One
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Cordel One » Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:18 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Istoreya wrote:Twitter is a company. It doesn't need to be democratic. It can ban which users they wish.

True and great point, but it is still against freedom of speech.

GMS.

"Freedom of speech" just means that the government isn't allowed to silence people or retaliate against things they say (though they don't follow that rule). Twitter banning Trump has nothing to do with free speech, and it's overrated anyways.

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Istoreya
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Postby Istoreya » Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:18 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Istoreya wrote:Twitter is a company. It doesn't need to be democratic. It can ban which users they wish.

True and great point, but it is still against freedom of speech.

GMS.

This is wrong. Freedom of speech does not mean that you should be allowed to post things in private platforms that they don't want to host. Considering you are so very proud of never having been warned for flaming or trolling on this site, you clearly are aware of this fact and are simply complaining because it's your favourite Orange Man getting his account deleted.

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San Lumen
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Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby San Lumen » Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:18 pm

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/fulton ... SVDR7E76M/

Fulton County DA asks GA Secretary of State to preserve evidence from explosive call with Trump

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Postby Genivaria » Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:19 pm

Echo Chamber Thought Police wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I think you're confusing 1st Amendment with Labor Regulations.

since when did the 1st amendment give you the right to shut people up who you didnt like?

Again, in the US private businesses are allowed to deny business to who they wish.
They are also allowed to fire employees for statements they make.
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Istoreya
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Postby Istoreya » Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:19 pm

Echo Chamber Thought Police wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I think you're confusing 1st Amendment with Labor Regulations.

since when did the 1st amendment give you the right to shut people up who you didnt like?

Since forever. If I'm paying for the host server, I decide what goes on the host server. If I decide Trump isn't gonna be on my server, he won't be.

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Kowani
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:20 pm

oh shit
they're puling the "he knew" card

and they're using fucking tarrio as evidence
what is this timeline :lol2:
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


Currently Rehabilitating: Martin Van Buren, Benjamin Harrison, and Woodrow Wilson
Currently Vilifying: George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, and Jimmy Carter

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Postby Echo Chamber Thought Police » Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:20 pm

Istoreya wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:True and great point, but it is still against freedom of speech.

GMS.

This is wrong. Freedom of speech does not mean that you should be allowed to post things in private platforms that they don't want to host. Considering you are so very proud of never having been warned for flaming or trolling on this site, you clearly are aware of this fact and are simply complaining because it's your favourite Orange Man getting his account deleted.

'you can form your own platform'

- makes own platform

deletes that platform from almost all accessible means

:roll:
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Postby Echo Chamber Thought Police » Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:21 pm

Istoreya wrote:
Echo Chamber Thought Police wrote:since when did the 1st amendment give you the right to shut people up who you didnt like?

Since forever. If I'm paying for the host server, I decide what goes on the host server. If I decide Trump isn't gonna be on my server, he won't be.

thats not related to the 1st amendment
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:21 pm

Echo Chamber Thought Police wrote:
Istoreya wrote:This is wrong. Freedom of speech does not mean that you should be allowed to post things in private platforms that they don't want to host. Considering you are so very proud of never having been warned for flaming or trolling on this site, you clearly are aware of this fact and are simply complaining because it's your favourite Orange Man getting his account deleted.

'you can form your own platform'

- makes own platform

deletes that platform from almost all accessible means

:roll:

Not sure what your point is.
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Istoreya
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Postby Istoreya » Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:21 pm

Echo Chamber Thought Police wrote:
Istoreya wrote:This is wrong. Freedom of speech does not mean that you should be allowed to post things in private platforms that they don't want to host. Considering you are so very proud of never having been warned for flaming or trolling on this site, you clearly are aware of this fact and are simply complaining because it's your favourite Orange Man getting his account deleted.

'you can form your own platform'

- makes own platform

deletes that platform from almost all accessible means

:roll:

There's nothing stopping Trump going and buying himself a domain name and making a website. People apparently just forget that social media exists outside of phone apps.

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Postby Echo Chamber Thought Police » Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:22 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Echo Chamber Thought Police wrote:since when did the 1st amendment give you the right to shut people up who you didnt like?

Again, in the US private businesses are allowed to deny business to who they wish.
They are also allowed to fire employees for statements they make.

so you think employees should be able to fire someone for alleging they were raped by their boss?

thats a statement, right?
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Kowani
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:22 pm

damn
that was well done
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


Currently Rehabilitating: Martin Van Buren, Benjamin Harrison, and Woodrow Wilson
Currently Vilifying: George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, and Jimmy Carter

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Echo Chamber Thought Police
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Postby Echo Chamber Thought Police » Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:22 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Echo Chamber Thought Police wrote:'you can form your own platform'

- makes own platform

deletes that platform from almost all accessible means

:roll:

Not sure what your point is.

'make your own platform' is utter bs when applied in practise
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Capitalist Paradise

Postby Greater Miami Shores » Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:22 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Not sure if serious ...

I am serious. The evidence is so overwhelming how could any senator not vote to convict and bar him from office.

Different persons think differently, I am serious.

GMS.
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Postby Echo Chamber Thought Police » Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:23 pm

Istoreya wrote:
Echo Chamber Thought Police wrote:'you can form your own platform'

- makes own platform

deletes that platform from almost all accessible means

:roll:

There's nothing stopping Trump going and buying himself a domain name and making a website. People apparently just forget that social media exists outside of phone apps.

and then access to that website is blocked by ISPs

:roll:
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Postby Istoreya » Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:23 pm

Echo Chamber Thought Police wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Again, in the US private businesses are allowed to deny business to who they wish.
They are also allowed to fire employees for statements they make.

so you think employees should be able to fire someone for alleging they were raped by their boss?

thats a statement, right?

Sure they can. It's not a good look but they can.

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Genivaria
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:23 pm

Istoreya wrote:
Echo Chamber Thought Police wrote:'you can form your own platform'

- makes own platform

deletes that platform from almost all accessible means

:roll:

There's nothing stopping Trump going and buying himself a domain name and making a website. People apparently just forget that social media exists outside of phone apps.

Which is exactly what Michael Bloomberg did with his news channel, a channel that I refuse to patron out of principle.
Fuck Michael Bloomberg.
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Istoreya
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Postby Istoreya » Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:23 pm

Echo Chamber Thought Police wrote:
Istoreya wrote:There's nothing stopping Trump going and buying himself a domain name and making a website. People apparently just forget that social media exists outside of phone apps.

and then access to that website is blocked by ISPs

:roll:

Prove that happened then, please, or you're just spewing bullshit.

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Postby Echo Chamber Thought Police » Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:24 pm

Istoreya wrote:
Echo Chamber Thought Police wrote:so you think employees should be able to fire someone for alleging they were raped by their boss?

thats a statement, right?

Sure they can. It's not a good look but they can.

...

what a lovely viewpoint

'people should expect to be sexually assaulted and accept that or run the risk of being fired'
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Genivaria
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:24 pm

Echo Chamber Thought Police wrote:
Istoreya wrote:There's nothing stopping Trump going and buying himself a domain name and making a website. People apparently just forget that social media exists outside of phone apps.

and then access to that website is blocked by ISPs

:roll:

So your complaint is that corporations dominate our society and in fact serves only to remove freedom of choice?
Welcome to the Left Comrade.
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Kowani
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:25 pm

egh, boring woman
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


Currently Rehabilitating: Martin Van Buren, Benjamin Harrison, and Woodrow Wilson
Currently Vilifying: George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, and Jimmy Carter

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