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Postby Eahland » Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:10 pm


I mean, murdering thousands of Americans through criminal incompetence worked for Trump...
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Postby Kowani » Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:24 pm

read your own damn sources
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Postby Gravlen » Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:52 am


That's just because the weather's been bad, so he hasn't read any of the documents yet.
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:18 am

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Tennessee Lawmakers Introduce Bill To Allow Fathers To Veto Abortions

A bill introduced in the Tennessee General Assembly this week would allow a man who gets a woman pregnant to request an injunction barring her from having an abortion.

The legislation, SB0494 in the Senate and HB1079 in the House, would require a court hearing to be held within 14 days of a petition being filed by the individual seeking an injunction.

At the hearing, if the man can prove that he is the biological father and that there is a “reasonable probability” that the woman would obtain an abortion, the court shall issue an injunction prohibiting her from terminating the pregnancy. Proof of parenthood requires only that the petitioner acknowledges paternity. A DNA test is not required.

If the woman violates the injunction by obtaining an abortion, the court may hold her in civil or criminal contempt. There are no exceptions for rape or incest.

The legislation was sponsored by state Sen. Mark Pody (R) and state Rep. Jerry Sexton (R).


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Postby Kowani » Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:13 am

read your own damn sources
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:16 am

Eahland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Is Cuomo trying to make people dislike him?

I mean, murdering thousands of Americans through criminal incompetence worked for Trump...

Republican President Trump did not murder any Persons this is a Fact. GMS.
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Postby Gravlen » Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:28 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Eahland wrote:I mean, murdering thousands of Americans through criminal incompetence worked for Trump...

Republican President Trump did not murder any Persons this is a Fact. GMS.

He clearly never raped and murdered a prositute at the Ramada Holiday Inn in Hoboken in July 1987. Nobody is saying that he did, nor are anyone claiming he used his mob ties to make the body disappear.

He did, however, through criminal incompetence, allow hundreds of thousands of Americans to die needlessly.
EnragedMaldivians wrote:That's preposterous. Gravlens's not a white nationalist; Gravlen's a penguin.

Unio de Sovetaj Socialismaj Respublikoj wrote:There is no use arguing the definition of murder with someone who has a picture of a penguin with a chainsaw as their nations flag.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:43 am

Gravlen wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Republican President Trump did not murder any Persons this is a Fact. GMS.

He clearly never raped and murdered a prositute at the Ramada Holiday Inn in Hoboken in July 1987. Nobody is saying that he did, nor are anyone claiming he used his mob ties to make the body disappear.

He did, however, through criminal incompetence, allow hundreds of thousands of Americans to die needlessly.

I understood the original post,lol :) as hard as that is to believe, lol again, :) President Trump being responsible for the deaths of Americans due to the virus crisis, is clearly a matter of opinions not Facts. GMS.
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Postby Istoreya » Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:51 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Eahland wrote:I mean, murdering thousands of Americans through criminal incompetence worked for Trump...

Republican President Trump did not murder any Persons this is a Fact. GMS.

Once again. You are forgetting that you do not have to actively to or be a part of something to be responsible for it.

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Postby Vassenor » Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:55 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Gravlen wrote:He clearly never raped and murdered a prositute at the Ramada Holiday Inn in Hoboken in July 1987. Nobody is saying that he did, nor are anyone claiming he used his mob ties to make the body disappear.

He did, however, through criminal incompetence, allow hundreds of thousands of Americans to die needlessly.

I understood the original post,lol :) as hard as that is to believe, lol again, :) President Trump being responsible for the deaths of Americans due to the virus crisis, is clearly a matter of opinions not Facts. GMS.


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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:13 am

Istoreya wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Republican President Trump did not murder any Persons this is a Fact. GMS.

Once again. You are forgetting that you do not have to actively to or be a part of something to be responsible for it.

We are doing the exact same thing under Biden that we were doing under President Trump. Following the same necessary health guidelines of wearing the masks I hate to wear but wear, using the hand grease sanitizers and social distancing in stores and businesses as much as possible, the only thing we can do, are doing and have been doing. We are not doing anything different under Biden than under President Trump. So next time persons die from the virus blame Biden? But I think none of you will.

I don't blame any world leader of any nation as responsible for the deaths of Persons in their nations due to the virus, I blame the virus that is killing persons all over the world as responsible for their deaths. Blame the virus that is killing Persons all over the world.

GMS.
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Postby Gravlen » Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:18 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Gravlen wrote:He clearly never raped and murdered a prositute at the Ramada Holiday Inn in Hoboken in July 1987. Nobody is saying that he did, nor are anyone claiming he used his mob ties to make the body disappear.

He did, however, through criminal incompetence, allow hundreds of thousands of Americans to die needlessly.

I understood the original post,lol :) as hard as that is to believe, lol again, :) President Trump being responsible for the deaths of Americans due to the virus crisis, is clearly a matter of opinions not Facts. GMS.

No, it's a matter of facts.

[Trump's] disdain for science and cuts to global health programmes and public health agencies have impeded the response to the COVID-19 pandemic, causing tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths, and imperil advances against HIV and other diseases.

Public policy and health in the Trump era
EnragedMaldivians wrote:That's preposterous. Gravlens's not a white nationalist; Gravlen's a penguin.

Unio de Sovetaj Socialismaj Respublikoj wrote:There is no use arguing the definition of murder with someone who has a picture of a penguin with a chainsaw as their nations flag.

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Postby Gravlen » Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:18 am

This is the headline you want to see:

Military officials were unaware of potential danger to Pence's 'nuclear football' during Capitol riot
Military officials overseeing the authorization process to launch nuclear weapons were unaware on January 6 that then-Vice President Mike Pence's military aide carrying the "nuclear football" was potentially in danger as rioters got close during the violent Capitol insurrection, according to a defense official.

The vice president is always accompanied by a backup of the "football," which contains the equipment to carry out orders to launch a nuclear strike. It must be ready at all times and is identical to what the president carries, in case he becomes incapacitated.

US Strategic Command became aware of the gravity of the incident after seeing a video played at the Senate impeachment trial Wednesday showing Pence, his Secret Service agents and a military officer carrying the briefcase with classified nuclear launch information running down a flight of stairs inside the Capitol to get to safety, the official said.

"As the rioters reached the top of the stairs, they were within 100 feet of where the vice president was sheltering with his family, and they were just feet away from one of the doors to this chamber," Del. Stacey Plaskett, one of the impeachment managers, explained in the senate trial on Wednesday. In one video, the crowd can be heard chanting "Hang Mike Pence" as they stand in an open doorway of the Capitol.
EnragedMaldivians wrote:That's preposterous. Gravlens's not a white nationalist; Gravlen's a penguin.

Unio de Sovetaj Socialismaj Respublikoj wrote:There is no use arguing the definition of murder with someone who has a picture of a penguin with a chainsaw as their nations flag.

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Postby Comerciante » Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:21 am

Okay... what kind of Bond Movie fuckery is this? These people were 100 feet away from all the tools necessary to destroy the modern world!?
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Postby Shrillland » Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:22 am

Comerciante wrote:Okay... what kind of Bond Movie fuckery is this? These people were 100 feet away from all the tools necessary to destroy the modern world!?


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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:23 am

Gravlen wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:I understood the original post,lol :) as hard as that is to believe, lol again, :) President Trump being responsible for the deaths of Americans due to the virus crisis, is clearly a matter of opinions not Facts. GMS.

No, it's a matter of facts.

[Trump's] disdain for science and cuts to global health programmes and public health agencies have impeded the response to the COVID-19 pandemic, causing tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths, and imperil advances against HIV and other diseases.

Public policy and health in the Trump era

No it is a matter of opinions not your Facts. Please read my post above you apparently did not see, so I don't have to repeat myself like the broken record I am, :) lol.
viewtopic.php?p=38330087#p38330087

GMS.
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Postby Gravlen » Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:27 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Gravlen wrote:No, it's a matter of facts.

[Trump's] disdain for science and cuts to global health programmes and public health agencies have impeded the response to the COVID-19 pandemic, causing tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths, and imperil advances against HIV and other diseases.

Public policy and health in the Trump era

No it is a matter of opinions not your Facts. Please read my post above you apparently did not see, so I don't have to repeat myself like the broken record I am, :) lol.
viewtopic.php?p=38330087#p38330087

GMS.

I provided you with facts, and you respond with your opinion. I'll stick with facts, thanks.
EnragedMaldivians wrote:That's preposterous. Gravlens's not a white nationalist; Gravlen's a penguin.

Unio de Sovetaj Socialismaj Respublikoj wrote:There is no use arguing the definition of murder with someone who has a picture of a penguin with a chainsaw as their nations flag.

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Postby Gravlen » Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:28 am

Comerciante wrote:Okay... what kind of Bond Movie fuckery is this? These people were 100 feet away from all the tools necessary to destroy the modern world!?

And now, remember that some of these people thought it would be a good idea to sell Pelosi's computer to the Russians...
EnragedMaldivians wrote:That's preposterous. Gravlens's not a white nationalist; Gravlen's a penguin.

Unio de Sovetaj Socialismaj Respublikoj wrote:There is no use arguing the definition of murder with someone who has a picture of a penguin with a chainsaw as their nations flag.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:30 am

Gravlen wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:No it is a matter of opinions not your Facts. Please read my post above you apparently did not see, so I don't have to repeat myself like the broken record I am, :) lol.
viewtopic.php?p=38330087#p38330087

GMS.

I provided you with facts, and you respond with your opinion. I'll stick with facts, thanks.

You did not prove anything. President Trump did a lot to get the virus vaccine.

GMS.
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Postby Istoreya » Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:30 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Istoreya wrote:Once again. You are forgetting that you do not have to actively to or be a part of something to be responsible for it.

We are doing the exact same thing under Biden that we were doing under President Trump. Following the same necessary health guidelines of wearing the masks I hate to wear but wear, using the hand grease sanitizers and social distancing in stores and businesses as much as possible, the only thing we can do, are doing and have been doing. We are not doing anything different under Biden than under President Trump. So next time persons die from the virus blame Biden? But I think none of you will.

I don't blame any world leader of any nation as responsible for the deaths of Persons in their nations due to the virus, I blame the virus that is killing persons all over the world as responsible for their deaths. Blame the virus that is killing Persons all over the world.

GMS.

Yes, Biden failing to tighten restrictions that would save lives means the fault of lives lost lies on Biden. Any other crappy excuses? No? Good, now we can still agree that Trump causes virus deaths and more importantly Capitol deaths.

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:31 am

Gravlen wrote:
Comerciante wrote:Okay... what kind of Bond Movie fuckery is this? These people were 100 feet away from all the tools necessary to destroy the modern world!?

And now, remember that some of these people thought it would be a good idea to sell Pelosi's computer to the Russians...

The only thing preventing this shit from becoming actual treason is the fact that the United States is not currently at war with Russia.

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Postby Gravlen » Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:35 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Gravlen wrote:I provided you with facts, and you respond with your opinion. I'll stick with facts, thanks.

You did not prove anything.

Just because you never clicked the link...

Greater Miami Shores wrote:President Trump did a lot to get the virus vaccine.

Not really. But be that as it may, it's in other places he really fucked up. Primarily, his refusal to have a national strategy or plan to handle the virus, or to coordinate the response.
EnragedMaldivians wrote:That's preposterous. Gravlens's not a white nationalist; Gravlen's a penguin.

Unio de Sovetaj Socialismaj Respublikoj wrote:There is no use arguing the definition of murder with someone who has a picture of a penguin with a chainsaw as their nations flag.

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Postby Istoreya » Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:39 am

Gravlen wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:You did not prove anything.

Just because you never clicked the link...

Greater Miami Shores wrote:President Trump did a lot to get the virus vaccine.

Not really. But be that as it may, it's in other places he really fucked up. Primarily, his refusal to have a national strategy or plan to handle the virus, or to coordinate the response.

Before GMS comes in with the "Trump bought a lot of doses", that doesn't mean for a second he actually contributed. And if it did, we shouldn't be applauding Trump for his vaccine but instead applauding BoJo.

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Postby Comerciante » Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:39 am

Gravlen wrote:Not really. But be that as it may, it's in other places he really fucked up. Primarily, his refusal to have a national strategy or plan to handle the virus, or to coordinate the response.

What are you talking about? Drinking Bleach is plenty of strategy.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:42 am

Istoreya wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:We are doing the exact same thing under Biden that we were doing under President Trump. Following the same necessary health guidelines of wearing the masks I hate to wear but wear, using the hand grease sanitizers and social distancing in stores and businesses as much as possible, the only thing we can do, are doing and have been doing. We are not doing anything different under Biden than under President Trump. So next time persons die from the virus blame Biden? But I think none of you will.

I don't blame any world leader of any nation as responsible for the deaths of Persons in their nations due to the virus, I blame the virus that is killing persons all over the world as responsible for their deaths. Blame the virus that is killing Persons all over the world.

GMS.

Yes, Biden failing to tighten restrictions that would save lives means the fault of lives lost lies on Biden. Any other crappy excuses? No? Good, now we can still agree that Trump causes virus deaths and more importantly Capitol deaths.

No we cant still agree, President Trump is not responsible for the virus deaths as I have described in details, we are still following the same necessary health guidelines under Biden that we were following under President Trump, as I described in details. We are not doing anything different.

No we cant still agree, President Trump is not responsible for the deaths or violence at the Capitol Building, as I have described in details. Millions of American Patriot Citizens, Pro USA, USA, USA, strongly agree with me. American and Cuban Combat Veterans of the Army, Navy and US Marines, friends of mine who were at the Trump Rally, heard the same speech and did not participate in storming the Capitol building and did not commit any acts of violence. I would have gone with them if I could have.

GMS.
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