American Politics III: New President, Same Old Country

[San Lumen]

Yes we did but you don't build the types of things you guys have overnight.

Sure you do. The UK government built what we have to support people in lockdowns pretty much overnight.

You have a different government structure. Here compromise is needed to get anything done.

[Esalia]

There's also another new and extremely contagious variant that appeared in California recently. Opposing lockdowns is as dumb as ever.

Note: The more contagious version is also probably more vaccine-resistant (if not invisible) because the mutation was in the spike proteins.

Hi, 2021. I see you decided to see if you can outdo 2020 for "shittiest year in recent memory".

[Celritannia]

Emergency relief funding, universal healthcare, UBI for an extended time, diverting funds from the armed forces, taxing the wealthy more.

Things that are quite sensible than allowing people to die.

You dont get any of that overnight and good look getting decreased spending on the armed forces. The fact that the Senate is tied means its going to be difficult to get a relief package through that everyone is satisfied with. They should still do one.

You asked how to do it, I gave a suggestion. Whether it gets done is a different matter.
But allowing more people to die, to spread an infection, that passes on and infects more people, especially in poor areas without healthcare will only increase.

All hospitals, for the time being, should be brought under direct state and/or federal control, allowing anyone to use them.
Army engineers and national guard can establish temp field hospitals. In fact, the US military is the largest federal employer, they could be used to a great extent for this operation.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Sure you do. The UK government built what we have to support people in lockdowns pretty much overnight.

You have a different government structure. Here compromise is needed to get anything done.

That's literally only the case because liberals are spineless. Trump and the GOP didn't compromise and they stacked the judiciary, got tax cuts and repealed the Obamacare mandate.

[San Lumen]

You dont get any of that overnight and good look getting decreased spending on the armed forces. The fact that the Senate is tied means its going to be difficult to get a relief package through that everyone is satisfied with. They should still do one.

You asked how to do it, I gave a suggestion. Whether it gets done is a different matter.
But allowing more people to die, to spread an infection, that passes on and infects more people, especially in poor areas without healthcare will only increase.

All hospitals, for the time being, should be brought under direct state and/or federal control, allowing anyone to use them.
Army engineers and national guard can establish temp field hospitals. In fact, the US military is the largest federal employer, they could be used to a great extent for this operation.

Your not going to get all hospitals brought under state and federal control. Thats beyond unrealistic and no one has advocated for that nor do I see anyone doing so.

I meant to say good luck getting spending on defense decreased.

[Diahon]

Note: The more contagious version is also probably more vaccine-resistant (if not invisible) because the mutation was in the spike proteins.

Hi, 2021. I see you decided to see if you can outdo 2020 for "shittiest year in recent memory".

that would be people spreading this pandemic deliberately, not something as intangible as time

[San Lumen]

Although this isn't the COVID thread, I will say that this pandemic has taught me that half measures don't get anyone anywhere.

Going into lockdowns, only to release them when numbers are going down but not under control, just lets the problem build back up again. I'm not saying lockdowns are the only solution, but whatever solution one chooses to follow, I say go at it hard.

Support businesses and people as needed with government money to dull the pain, but for God's sake don't do this 'in-lockdown out-lockdown' thing that places like the UK are doing. It's almost as bad as Trump's 'it's not real if I don't look at it' plan.

Someone gets it.

[Celritannia]

You asked how to do it, I gave a suggestion. Whether it gets done is a different matter.
But allowing more people to die, to spread an infection, that passes on and infects more people, especially in poor areas without healthcare will only increase.

All hospitals, for the time being, should be brought under direct state and/or federal control, allowing anyone to use them.
Army engineers and national guard can establish temp field hospitals. In fact, the US military is the largest federal employer, they could be used to a great extent for this operation.

Your not going to get all hospitals brought under state and federal control. Thats beyond unrealistic and no one has advocated for that nor do I see anyone doing so.

I meant to say good luck getting spending on defense decreased.

How is it unrealistic?
It would only be for a short space of time.

Decreasing military spending is possible.

[Shrillland]

You dont get any of that overnight and good look getting decreased spending on the armed forces. The fact that the Senate is tied means its going to be difficult to get a relief package through that everyone is satisfied with. They should still do one.

You asked how to do it, I gave a suggestion. Whether it gets done is a different matter.
But allowing more people to die, to spread an infection, that passes on and infects more people, especially in poor areas without healthcare will only increase.

All hospitals, for the time being, should be brought under direct state and/or federal control, allowing anyone to use them.
Army engineers and national guard can establish temp field hospitals. In fact, the US military is the largest federal employer, they could be used to a great extent for this operation.

Good luck getting snap nationalisation done when SCOTUS already shot that down in 1952.

[Fartsniffage]

You asked how to do it, I gave a suggestion. Whether it gets done is a different matter.
But allowing more people to die, to spread an infection, that passes on and infects more people, especially in poor areas without healthcare will only increase.

All hospitals, for the time being, should be brought under direct state and/or federal control, allowing anyone to use them.
Army engineers and national guard can establish temp field hospitals. In fact, the US military is the largest federal employer, they could be used to a great extent for this operation.

Your not going to get all hospitals brought under state and federal control. Thats beyond unrealistic and no one has advocated for that nor do I see anyone doing so.

I meant to say good luck getting spending on defense decreased.

Your are right.

What you are going to see is more lockdowns and people in poverty. Because the new variants aren't fucking around and mass deaths will make politicians unelectable. Enjoy no more theatre for the next year or so.

[Kowani]

Biden administration orders an additional 200 million doses of vaccines

[Atheris]

There's also another new and extremely contagious variant that appeared in California recently. Opposing lockdowns is as dumb as ever.

Note: The more contagious version is also probably more vaccine-resistant (if not invisible) because the mutation was in the spike proteins.

Of course it is. Of course it fucking is! God hates us. This year fucking sucks already. Here's to another lousy millennium decade.

[Celritannia]

Your not going to get all hospitals brought under state and federal control. Thats beyond unrealistic and no one has advocated for that nor do I see anyone doing so.

I meant to say good luck getting spending on defense decreased.

Your are right.

What you are going to see is more lockdowns and people in poverty. Because the new variants aren't fucking around and mass deaths will make politicians unelectable. Enjoy no more theatre for the next year or so.

[San Lumen]

Your not going to get all hospitals brought under state and federal control. Thats beyond unrealistic and no one has advocated for that nor do I see anyone doing so.

I meant to say good luck getting spending on defense decreased.

Your are right.

What you are going to see is more lockdowns and people in poverty. Because the new variants aren't fucking around and mass deaths will make politicians unelectable. Enjoy no more theatre for the next year or so.

and NYC's economy will collapse. it will go bankrupt.

[Albrenia]

Although this isn't the COVID thread, I will say that this pandemic has taught me that half measures don't get anyone anywhere.

Going into lockdowns, only to release them when numbers are going down but not under control, just lets the problem build back up again. I'm not saying lockdowns are the only solution, but whatever solution one chooses to follow, I say go at it hard.

Support businesses and people as needed with government money to dull the pain, but for God's sake don't do this 'in-lockdown out-lockdown' thing that places like the UK are doing. It's almost as bad as Trump's 'it's not real if I don't look at it' plan.

Someone gets it.

Aye, I think I do. Although I don't think you'd support my chosen path of lockdowns which don't let up once things start looking better. but continue until the virus's back is broken and its spread is all but stopped (either via no community transmission or massive vaccination numbers).

[Celritannia]

Your are right.

What you are going to see is more lockdowns and people in poverty. Because the new variants aren't fucking around and mass deaths will make politicians unelectable. Enjoy no more theatre for the next year or so.

and NYC's economy will collapse. it will go bankrupt.

Hmm, profit or people....

[San Lumen]

and NYC's economy will collapse. it will go bankrupt.

Hmm, profit or people....

Tell me what good it does when the city is bankrupt, millions are homeless and children are starving and the city can do nothing to help them because it has no money?

[Esalia]

Your are right.

What you are going to see is more lockdowns and people in poverty. Because the new variants aren't fucking around and mass deaths will make politicians unelectable. Enjoy no more theatre for the next year or so.

and NYC's economy will collapse. it will go bankrupt.

If only there was something that could have been done.

Sadly, it seems like "effective government" is an impossibility for some dumb fucking reason.

[Fartsniffage]

Your are right.

What you are going to see is more lockdowns and people in poverty. Because the new variants aren't fucking around and mass deaths will make politicians unelectable. Enjoy no more theatre for the next year or so.

and NYC's economy will collapse. it will go bankrupt.

Yeah, it's going to suck. But NY has the NYSE, it'll be okay.

[Washington Resistance Army]

and NYC's economy will collapse. it will go bankrupt.

Yeah, it's going to suck. But NY has the NYSE, it'll be okay.

Literally just buy GME and you'll be fine

[Atheris]

and NYC's economy will collapse. it will go bankrupt.

Hmm, profit or people....

It's gonna be profit. It's always gonna be profit. The government doesn't care about us. What makes you think they care about us? The government is run by profit. If the poor die, who cares? The rich won't care, that's who elects them! We're not people, we're numbers and statistics on a fat white guy's computer in the capital. The people are Amazon and SpaceX.

[San Lumen]

and NYC's economy will collapse. it will go bankrupt.

Yeah, it's going to suck. But NY has the NYSE, it'll be okay.

That's not going to help stave off bankruptcy if our Governor does what you want him to do.

[Celritannia]

Hmm, profit or people....

Tell me what good it does when the city is bankrupt, millions are homeless and children are starving and the city can do nothing to help them because it has no money?

Not a lot if people are dead, really.

Poverty can be helped, businesses rebuilt, and an economy funded.

Lives cannot be replaced.

[Esalia]

Hmm, profit or people....

Tell me what good it does when the city is bankrupt, millions are homeless and children are starving and the city can do nothing to help them because it has no money?

Nothing.

But guess what Lumen? No lockdowns also leads to a shitty outcome, with mass death and no money because dead people don't tend to make good taxpayers.

For every "but what about when they run out of money!!!" you make to argue against lockdowns, there's an equal for not locking down.

All options are absolute garbage because the window for the only good solutions passed a year ago.

[The Marlborough]

Someone gets it.

Aye, I think I do. Although I don't think you'd support my chosen path of lockdowns which don't let up once things start looking better. but continue until the virus's back is broken and its spread is all but stopped (either via no community transmission or massive vaccination numbers).

This is what China did and it has largely been successful.