American Politics III: New President, Same Old Country

[Fartsniffage]

It is. But your rollout of vaccines is shit. You're going to see heavy lockdowns to protect the health services. Or you're going to see a lot of death.

Most governors in the US seems to have no desire for another shutdown. Even Cuomo has said this. If he shuts down the state again New York's economy will completely collapse.

California's is on the brink of it.

So you're going to see a lot of dead people. The British variant is hitting younger people as well. 40 year olds in hospital are not uncommon.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Most governors in the US seems to have no desire for another shutdown. Even Cuomo has said this. If he shuts down the state again New York's economy will completely collapse.

California's is on the brink of it.

So you're going to see a lot of dead people. The British variant is hitting younger people as well. 40 year olds in hospital are not uncommon.

There's also another new and extremely contagious variant that appeared in California recently. Opposing lockdowns is as dumb as ever.

[San Lumen]

Most governors in the US seems to have no desire for another shutdown. Even Cuomo has said this. If he shuts down the state again New York's economy will completely collapse.

California's is on the brink of it.

So you're going to see a lot of dead people. The British variant is hitting younger people as well. 40 year olds in hospital are not uncommon.

we dont have the social safety net your country has. We cannot do lockdown after lockdown and not crash the economy completely and but millions on the streets and render entire streets with abandoned storefronts.

[Fartsniffage]

Most governors in the US seems to have no desire for another shutdown. Even Cuomo has said this. If he shuts down the state again New York's economy will completely collapse.

I don't think NY would collapse if it has another extended shutdown.
Things will only get worse if they don't. The US is already the country with the most deaths.

The real killer for the US will be if they delay like we did. The US has the most deaths, we have the highest proportion of deaths. Because Boris didn't do what needed to be done quickly enough.

[Celritannia]

So you're going to see a lot of dead people. The British variant is hitting younger people as well. 40 year olds in hospital are not uncommon.

we dont have the social safety net your country has. We cannot do lockdown after lockdown and not crash the economy completely and but millions on the streets and render entire streets with abandoned storefronts.

And how will dead people help an economy?

[Atheris]

Most governors in the US seems to have no desire for another shutdown. Even Cuomo has said this. If he shuts down the state again New York's economy will completely collapse.

California's is on the brink of it.

So you're going to see a lot of dead people. The British variant is hitting younger people as well. 40 year olds in hospital are not uncommon.

I wish I was old enough to drink so I could cover my despair with being the haha funny alcohol man!

[Washington Resistance Army]

So you're going to see a lot of dead people. The British variant is hitting younger people as well. 40 year olds in hospital are not uncommon.

we dont have the social safety net your country has. We cannot do lockdown after lockdown and not crash the economy completely and but millions on the streets and render entire streets with abandoned storefronts.

So why isn't your solution just to build a safety net instead of letting everyone die :thinking:

[Necroghastia]

17 Republicans voted against the rules for the impeachment trial

Blackburn
Cotton
Cruz
Daines
Hagerty
Hawley
Hyde-Smith
Johnson
Lee
Marshall
Paul
Risch
Rubio
Scott (FL)
Scott (SC)
Shelby
Tuberville.

Tuberville must really like voting against every damn thing.

Tuberville's a sycophantic weasel who's never had an original thought in his life.

[The New California Republic]

I thought Moderna was effective against the UK variant? In addition, we're not allowing any travelers in from South Africa. I reckon, for now, we'll be alright.

It is. But your rollout of vaccines is shit. You're going to see heavy lockdowns to protect the health services. Or you're going to see a lot of death.

I know the rollout is not the best in the UK either, but looking over the pond at our cousins makes it apparent how much worse they have it.

[San Lumen]

we dont have the social safety net your country has. We cannot do lockdown after lockdown and not crash the economy completely and but millions on the streets and render entire streets with abandoned storefronts.

And how will dead people help an economy?

And how will it help when millions are homeless, entire economics have collapsed and millions of children are starving?

[Fartsniffage]

So you're going to see a lot of dead people. The British variant is hitting younger people as well. 40 year olds in hospital are not uncommon.

we dont have the social safety net your country has. We cannot do lockdown after lockdown and not crash the economy completely and but millions on the streets and render entire streets with abandoned storefronts.

Sucks to be you then. Maybe you should elect better people....oh wait, you just did.

[Kowani]

So it turns out that in 2018 and 2019, Marjorie Taylor Greene supported executing several Democrats and FBI agents

Republican Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene repeatedly indicated support for executing prominent Democratic politicians in 2018 and 2019 before being elected to Congress, a CNN KFile review of hundreds of posts and comments from Greene's Facebook page shows.

Greene, who represents Georgia's 14th Congressional District, frequently posted far-right extremist and debunked conspiracy theories on her page, including the baseless QAnon conspiracy which casts former President Donald Trump in an imagined battle against a sinister cabal of Democrats and celebrities who abuse children.

In one post, from January 2019, Greene liked a comment that said "a bullet to the head would be quicker" to remove House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. In other posts, Greene liked comments about executing FBI agents who, in her eyes, were part of the "deep state" working against Trump.

In one Facebook post from April 2018, Greene wrote conspiratorially about the Iran Deal, one of former President Barack Obama's signature foreign policy achievements. A commenter asked Greene, "Now do we get to hang them ?? Meaning H & O ???," referring to Obama and Hillary Clinton.

Greene replied, "Stage is being set. Players are being put in place. We must be patient. This must be done perfectly or liberal judges would let them off."

After CNN reached out to Greene, her personal Twitter account posted a statement in which she did not deny that she liked posts and replied to comments but claimed that many people have run her Facebook page.

"Over the years, I've had teams of people manage my pages. Many posts have been liked. Many posts have been shared. Some did not represent my views. Especially the ones that CNN is about to spread across the internet," she wrote.

Greene did not specify whether she or a member of her team were behind the posts reviewed by CNN's KFile.

CNN reached out to Pelosi's office for comment multiple times but did not receive a response.

Though her tenure in Congress has only lasted a few weeks, Greene is already facing calls to leave the House for her role in fanning the flames of the Capitol insurrection earlier this month after she objected to the election certification process and falsely insisted that Trump would remain president.

After Democratic Rep. Jimmy Gomez called on Greene to be expelled from the House for her role in the insurrection, Greene condemned the violence at the Capitol and falsely accused "Antifa/BLM terrorism" and Democratic politicians of stoking the insurrection.

"I fully condemn ALL violence. The Antifa/BLM terrorism funded on ActBlue rests with Democrat accomplices like @CoriBush @Ilhan @KamalaHarris @AOC @timkaine & many more... Those who stoke insurrection & spread conspiracies have blood on their hands. They must be expelled," she tweeted.

Last week Greene faced calls to resign from the survivors of the Parkland shooting survivors after Media Matters reported she agreed with comments calling the 2018 shooting a "false flag" operation, which refers to acts that are designed by perpetrators to be made to look like they were carried out by other individuals or groups.

CNN's KFile found additional comments from Greene where she called David Hogg, a survivor and activist, "#littleHitler" and spread a conspiracy that he was a "bought and paid little pawn" and actor.

Before she ran for Congress in 2020, Greene created a White House petition in January 2019 to impeach the House speaker for "crimes of treason," citing Pelosi's support of so-called sanctuary policies that "are serving illegals and not United States citizens" and because Pelosi did not support Trump's border wall.

In one speech, promoting the petition, Greene suggested Pelosi could be executed for treason.

"She's a traitor to our country, she's guilty of treason," Greene says in the video, which she posted on Facebook at the time. "She took an oath to protect American citizens and uphold our laws. And she gives aid and comfort to our enemies who illegally invade our land. That's what treason is. And by our law representatives and senators can be kicked out and no longer serve in our government. And it's, uh, it's a crime punishable by death is what treason is. Nancy Pelosi is guilty of treason."

In another Facebook Live broadcast from inside Pelosi's office on February 22, 2019, Greene suggested the House speaker will "suffer death or she'll be in prison" for her "treason." Notably, Greene never mentions a trial. In another broadcast from later that day, she suggested California Rep. Maxine Waters was "just as guilty of treason as Nancy Pelosi."

In the comments of her Facebook posts, often promoting the petition, Greene liked a comment that said "through removal or death, doesn't matter, as long as she goes," referring to Pelosi, and another that encouraged Greene to "beat Pelosi's ass."

The petition for Pelosi's impeachment and removal for treason amassed over 420,000 signatures as of January 2021.

On social media, Greene portrays herself as an opponent to political violence and casts Democrats as the real instigators of political violence, either real or imaginary, who get away with threatening calls for violence.

"Do any of you remember a day when talking about assassinating the President resulted in getting arrested? As in arrested in real life, not FB [Facebook] jail. When was that? Pre-2016 I think, right??? But if you are a conservative that's a different story!" wrote Greene in 2019.

While Greene notes in Facebook posts that she disavows and denounces violence, within the comment sections of Greene's Facebook page, commenters frequently cheer for politicians to be executed by hanging or firing squad.

Elsewhere on her Facebook page, Greene liked comments that advocated to "arrest" Obama and former Secretary of State John Kerry and one comment that said, "HANG that bitch," referring to either Obama or Kerry or possibly both of them. She also liked a comment that urged for "civil war 2.0" to begin.

Greene, who has embraced and spread the baseless conspiracy theory about a "deep state" working to usurp Trump's agenda, suggested in Facebook posts that FBI agents disloyal to Trump were traitors.

She liked a comment that said, "Trump already said there were some great ones working with FBI but some have fallen and quite frankly need to be hung for TREASON!" Another she liked said, "These Traitors need to be put to death as an example of what will no longer be tolerated in our country!!!"

[San Lumen]

we dont have the social safety net your country has. We cannot do lockdown after lockdown and not crash the economy completely and but millions on the streets and render entire streets with abandoned storefronts.

Sucks to be you then. Maybe you should elect better people....oh wait, you just did.

Yes we did but you don't build the types of things you guys have overnight.

[Atheris]

we dont have the social safety net your country has. We cannot do lockdown after lockdown and not crash the economy completely and but millions on the streets and render entire streets with abandoned storefronts.

So why isn't your solution just to build a safety net instead of letting everyone die :thinking:

[The United Confederacy of Texas]

-snip-

Seriously, how the fuck did she get elected

[San Lumen]

So why isn't your solution just to build a safety net instead of letting everyone die :thinking:

I didnt say i was opposed to it.

[Kowani]

So you're going to see a lot of dead people. The British variant is hitting younger people as well. 40 year olds in hospital are not uncommon.

There's also another new and extremely contagious variant that appeared in California recently. Opposing lockdowns is as dumb as ever.

Note: The more contagious version is also probably more vaccine-resistant (if not invisible) because the mutation was in the spike proteins.

[San Lumen]

-snip-

Seriously, how the fuck did she get elected

Its a ruby red district. You could nominate my dog as a Republican and they would be elected.

[Celritannia]

And how will dead people help an economy?

And how will it help when millions are homeless, entire economics have collapsed and millions of children are starving?

Emergency relief funding, universal healthcare, UBI for an extended time, diverting funds from the armed forces, taxing the wealthy more.

Things that are quite sensible than allowing people to die.

[Fartsniffage]

Sucks to be you then. Maybe you should elect better people....oh wait, you just did.

Yes we did but you don't build the types of things you guys have overnight.

Sure you do. The UK government built what we have to support people in lockdowns pretty much overnight.

[Washington Resistance Army]

There's also another new and extremely contagious variant that appeared in California recently. Opposing lockdowns is as dumb as ever.

Note: The more contagious version is also probably more vaccine-resistant (if not invisible) because the mutation was in the spike proteins.

Fun times! I can't wait for another 200k Americans to die because god forbid we have a sensible policy to try and stop this shit.

[Esalia]

So it turns out that in 2018 and 2019, Marjorie Taylor Greene supported executing several Democrats and FBI agents

Republican Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene repeatedly indicated support for executing prominent Democratic politicians in 2018 and 2019 before being elected to Congress, a CNN KFile review of hundreds of posts and comments from Greene's Facebook page shows.

Greene, who represents Georgia's 14th Congressional District, frequently posted far-right extremist and debunked conspiracy theories on her page, including the baseless QAnon conspiracy which casts former President Donald Trump in an imagined battle against a sinister cabal of Democrats and celebrities who abuse children.

In one post, from January 2019, Greene liked a comment that said "a bullet to the head would be quicker" to remove House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. In other posts, Greene liked comments about executing FBI agents who, in her eyes, were part of the "deep state" working against Trump.

In one Facebook post from April 2018, Greene wrote conspiratorially about the Iran Deal, one of former President Barack Obama's signature foreign policy achievements. A commenter asked Greene, "Now do we get to hang them ?? Meaning H & O ???," referring to Obama and Hillary Clinton.

Greene replied, "Stage is being set. Players are being put in place. We must be patient. This must be done perfectly or liberal judges would let them off."

After CNN reached out to Greene, her personal Twitter account posted a statement in which she did not deny that she liked posts and replied to comments but claimed that many people have run her Facebook page.

"Over the years, I've had teams of people manage my pages. Many posts have been liked. Many posts have been shared. Some did not represent my views. Especially the ones that CNN is about to spread across the internet," she wrote.

Greene did not specify whether she or a member of her team were behind the posts reviewed by CNN's KFile.

CNN reached out to Pelosi's office for comment multiple times but did not receive a response.

Though her tenure in Congress has only lasted a few weeks, Greene is already facing calls to leave the House for her role in fanning the flames of the Capitol insurrection earlier this month after she objected to the election certification process and falsely insisted that Trump would remain president.

After Democratic Rep. Jimmy Gomez called on Greene to be expelled from the House for her role in the insurrection, Greene condemned the violence at the Capitol and falsely accused "Antifa/BLM terrorism" and Democratic politicians of stoking the insurrection.

"I fully condemn ALL violence. The Antifa/BLM terrorism funded on ActBlue rests with Democrat accomplices like @CoriBush @Ilhan @KamalaHarris @AOC @timkaine & many more... Those who stoke insurrection & spread conspiracies have blood on their hands. They must be expelled," she tweeted.

Last week Greene faced calls to resign from the survivors of the Parkland shooting survivors after Media Matters reported she agreed with comments calling the 2018 shooting a "false flag" operation, which refers to acts that are designed by perpetrators to be made to look like they were carried out by other individuals or groups.

CNN's KFile found additional comments from Greene where she called David Hogg, a survivor and activist, "#littleHitler" and spread a conspiracy that he was a "bought and paid little pawn" and actor.

Before she ran for Congress in 2020, Greene created a White House petition in January 2019 to impeach the House speaker for "crimes of treason," citing Pelosi's support of so-called sanctuary policies that "are serving illegals and not United States citizens" and because Pelosi did not support Trump's border wall.

In one speech, promoting the petition, Greene suggested Pelosi could be executed for treason.

"She's a traitor to our country, she's guilty of treason," Greene says in the video, which she posted on Facebook at the time. "She took an oath to protect American citizens and uphold our laws. And she gives aid and comfort to our enemies who illegally invade our land. That's what treason is. And by our law representatives and senators can be kicked out and no longer serve in our government. And it's, uh, it's a crime punishable by death is what treason is. Nancy Pelosi is guilty of treason."

In another Facebook Live broadcast from inside Pelosi's office on February 22, 2019, Greene suggested the House speaker will "suffer death or she'll be in prison" for her "treason." Notably, Greene never mentions a trial. In another broadcast from later that day, she suggested California Rep. Maxine Waters was "just as guilty of treason as Nancy Pelosi."

In the comments of her Facebook posts, often promoting the petition, Greene liked a comment that said "through removal or death, doesn't matter, as long as she goes," referring to Pelosi, and another that encouraged Greene to "beat Pelosi's ass."

The petition for Pelosi's impeachment and removal for treason amassed over 420,000 signatures as of January 2021.

On social media, Greene portrays herself as an opponent to political violence and casts Democrats as the real instigators of political violence, either real or imaginary, who get away with threatening calls for violence.

"Do any of you remember a day when talking about assassinating the President resulted in getting arrested? As in arrested in real life, not FB [Facebook] jail. When was that? Pre-2016 I think, right??? But if you are a conservative that's a different story!" wrote Greene in 2019.

While Greene notes in Facebook posts that she disavows and denounces violence, within the comment sections of Greene's Facebook page, commenters frequently cheer for politicians to be executed by hanging or firing squad.

Elsewhere on her Facebook page, Greene liked comments that advocated to "arrest" Obama and former Secretary of State John Kerry and one comment that said, "HANG that bitch," referring to either Obama or Kerry or possibly both of them. She also liked a comment that urged for "civil war 2.0" to begin.

Greene, who has embraced and spread the baseless conspiracy theory about a "deep state" working to usurp Trump's agenda, suggested in Facebook posts that FBI agents disloyal to Trump were traitors.

She liked a comment that said, "Trump already said there were some great ones working with FBI but some have fallen and quite frankly need to be hung for TREASON!" Another she liked said, "These Traitors need to be put to death as an example of what will no longer be tolerated in our country!!!"

Remember when there was that source a while ago saying that congressional Dems were scared of their colleagues?

Yeah, I'm not surprised.

[San Lumen]

And how will it help when millions are homeless, entire economics have collapsed and millions of children are starving?

Emergency relief funding, universal healthcare, UBI for an extended time, diverting funds from the armed forces, taxing the wealthy more.

Things that are quite sensible than allowing people to die.

You dont get any of that overnight and good luck getting decreased spending on the armed forces. The fact that the Senate is tied means its going to be difficult to get a relief package through that everyone is satisfied with. They should still do one.

[Gravlen]

Only 5 Republicans think that convicting Trump is Constitutional after Rand Paul’s (R-KY) attempt to throw out the trial fails

Mitt Romney
Ben Sasse
Susan Collins
Lisa Murkowski
Pat Toomey

By the way, here's over 170 legal scholars saying that it's clearly constitutional. They include many conservative legal scholars and experts on impeachment:

The list of signers is notable for its ideological diversity—unusual in an era when legal scholars' views on controversial issues are often polarized along ideological lines. Notable conservative and libertarian signers include Steve Calabresi (co-founder of the Federalist Society, and leading academic expert on executive power), Michael Stokes Paulsen, and my co-bloggers Jonathan Adler and Sasha Volokh. I myself have signed the letter, as well.

Another VC co-blogger, Keith Whittington, did not sign the letter, but has written an excellent article on Lawfare reaching the same conclusion. Keith is one of the nation's leading right-of-center originalist legal scholars.

[Albrenia]

Although this isn't the COVID thread, I will say that this pandemic has taught me that half measures don't get anyone anywhere.

Going into lockdowns, only to release them when numbers are going down but not under control, just lets the problem build back up again. I'm not saying lockdowns are the only solution, but whatever solution one chooses to follow, I say go at it hard.

Support businesses and people as needed with government money to dull the pain, but for God's sake don't do this 'in-lockdown out-lockdown' thing that places like the UK are doing. It's almost as bad as Trump's 'it's not real if I don't look at it' plan.