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Postby No State Here » Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:36 pm

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No I didn't. Your saying compromise bad and everyone should stick do their corners and insist on everything they want or the highway.

Yes, you did. I'm saying compromise can ruin the morality of a decision, and you're making a strawman.

You’re comparing healthcare to genocide
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Cordel One
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Postby Cordel One » Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:38 pm

No State Here wrote:
Cordel One wrote:Yes, you did. I'm saying compromise can ruin the morality of a decision, and you're making a strawman.

You’re comparing healthcare to genocide

I'm comparing the capitalist system that denies healthcare to millions in need to genocide now, but that wasn't even my original point.
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Postby Senkaku » Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:38 pm

No State Here wrote:
Cordel One wrote:Yes, you did. I'm saying compromise can ruin the morality of a decision, and you're making a strawman.

You’re comparing healthcare to genocide

No, they posted a cartoon that makes a point about why compromise as an end unto itself is foolish. Simmer down
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:39 pm

Cordel One wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
No I didn't. Your saying compromise bad and everyone should stick do their corners and insist on everything they want or the highway.

Yes, you did. I'm saying compromise can ruin the morality of a decision, and you're making a strawman.


Do you therefore agree you can't always get what you want and have to work out a deal to get something passed?

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Postby Cordel One » Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:40 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Cordel One wrote:Yes, you did. I'm saying compromise can ruin the morality of a decision, and you're making a strawman.


Do you therefore agree you can't always get what you want and have to work out a deal to get something passed?

That's true, but it often defeats the purpose of what you want and becomes immoral.

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Postby Senkaku » Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:42 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Cordel One wrote:Yes, you did. I'm saying compromise can ruin the morality of a decision, and you're making a strawman.


Do you therefore agree you can't always get what you want and have to work out a deal to get something passed?

The problem arises when you hold up compromise as an end in itself, regardless of who you're asking people to compromise with and what about.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:42 pm

Cordel One wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Do you therefore agree you can't always get what you want and have to work out a deal to get something passed?

That's true, but it often defeats the purpose of what you want and becomes immoral.


What do you suggest occur instead? How would you govern?

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Postby Senkaku » Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:44 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Cordel One wrote:That's true, but it often defeats the purpose of what you want and becomes immoral.


What do you suggest occur instead? How would you govern?

your expectation that anyone challenging your beliefs needs to be able to present a fully-formed whole-of-government plan to operationalize their ideas strikes me as a weird one

and even if it weren't, Cordel's laid out the broad strokes answer to that question for you many times before, so I doubt an answer is going to really cover any new ground
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:46 pm

Senkaku wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
What do you suggest occur instead? How would you govern?

your expectation that anyone challenging your beliefs needs to be able to present a fully-formed whole-of-government plan to operationalize their ideas strikes me as a weird one

and even if it weren't, Cordel's laid out the broad strokes answer to that question for you many times before, so I doubt an answer is going to really cover any new ground


I prefer solutions as opposed to generalizations and grandstanding.

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Postby Kowani » Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:48 pm

Biden says all Americans could have access to vaccine by spring

President Joe Biden says he anticipates that coronavirus vaccines will be delivered to 1 million Americans per day within the next three weeks, and that the medicines should be available to anyone in the nation who wants it by Spring.

Biden added that he thought the nation would soon get to 1.5 million vaccines per day, noting logistical hurdles that have stalled distribution and left many Americans frustrated they can’t get shots.

“I feel confident that by summer we’re going to be well on our way to heading toward herd immunity and increasing the access for people who aren’t on the first on the list,” Biden said Monday after a ceremony to sign an order to boost government spending on American products.

Biden also repeated his warning that the death count from the virus will continue to rise, and defended his administration’s timeline for stopping it.

“It’s beginning to move but I’m confident that we will beat this,” Biden said. “But we will still be talking about this in the summer. We will still be dealing with this issue in the early fall.”
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Postby The Marlborough » Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:48 pm

In some good news, the government has decided to approve of all business deals involving the Houthis which means that companies wont be sanctioned for something as simple as selling them food, baby formula, etc. At least for one month. I'm not a fan of the Houthis but this does allow companies to sell much needed resources given the worsening famine that is ongoing in Yemen.
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Postby Senkaku » Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:50 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Senkaku wrote:your expectation that anyone challenging your beliefs needs to be able to present a fully-formed whole-of-government plan to operationalize their ideas strikes me as a weird one

and even if it weren't, Cordel's laid out the broad strokes answer to that question for you many times before, so I doubt an answer is going to really cover any new ground


I prefer solutions as opposed to generalizations and grandstanding.

You reflexively defend existing methods and institutions, make wild generalizations about your ideological opponents, and grandstand all the time on the importance of compromise and party unity and the like. You prefer other people offer "solutions" rather than engaging with you in kind, because it raises the bar for how much effort people have to put in to dismantle your unconscious assumption that the current way of doing things is necessarily the right one.
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Postby The Marlborough » Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:50 pm

How could the Irish potato famine happen if they were surrounded by fish?
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Postby Rusozak » Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:52 pm

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:53 pm

The Marlborough wrote:

Sounds more like he's trying to cover his own ass tbh.


Even if he is that's still really bad for Trump.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:54 pm

Kowani wrote:Biden says all Americans could have access to vaccine by spring

President Joe Biden says he anticipates that coronavirus vaccines will be delivered to 1 million Americans per day within the next three weeks, and that the medicines should be available to anyone in the nation who wants it by Spring.

Biden added that he thought the nation would soon get to 1.5 million vaccines per day, noting logistical hurdles that have stalled distribution and left many Americans frustrated they can’t get shots.

“I feel confident that by summer we’re going to be well on our way to heading toward herd immunity and increasing the access for people who aren’t on the first on the list,” Biden said Monday after a ceremony to sign an order to boost government spending on American products.

Biden also repeated his warning that the death count from the virus will continue to rise, and defended his administration’s timeline for stopping it.

“It’s beginning to move but I’m confident that we will beat this,” Biden said. “But we will still be talking about this in the summer. We will still be dealing with this issue in the early fall.”

Ah man, don't make big promises. Just look at the people who don't understand math. At noon on the equinox this thread will be full of "It's spring and I'm not vaccinated you giant piece of shit..."
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:58 pm

Kowani wrote:Biden says all Americans could have access to vaccine by spring

President Joe Biden says he anticipates that coronavirus vaccines will be delivered to 1 million Americans per day within the next three weeks, and that the medicines should be available to anyone in the nation who wants it by Spring.

Biden added that he thought the nation would soon get to 1.5 million vaccines per day, noting logistical hurdles that have stalled distribution and left many Americans frustrated they can’t get shots.

“I feel confident that by summer we’re going to be well on our way to heading toward herd immunity and increasing the access for people who aren’t on the first on the list,” Biden said Monday after a ceremony to sign an order to boost government spending on American products.

Biden also repeated his warning that the death count from the virus will continue to rise, and defended his administration’s timeline for stopping it.

“It’s beginning to move but I’m confident that we will beat this,” Biden said. “But we will still be talking about this in the summer. We will still be dealing with this issue in the early fall.”

I have confidence in him to achieve it but i think by the fall many current measures will be gone.

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Postby Zul-ar » Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:09 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Kowani wrote:Biden says all Americans could have access to vaccine by spring

President Joe Biden says he anticipates that coronavirus vaccines will be delivered to 1 million Americans per day within the next three weeks, and that the medicines should be available to anyone in the nation who wants it by Spring.

Biden added that he thought the nation would soon get to 1.5 million vaccines per day, noting logistical hurdles that have stalled distribution and left many Americans frustrated they can’t get shots.

“I feel confident that by summer we’re going to be well on our way to heading toward herd immunity and increasing the access for people who aren’t on the first on the list,” Biden said Monday after a ceremony to sign an order to boost government spending on American products.

Biden also repeated his warning that the death count from the virus will continue to rise, and defended his administration’s timeline for stopping it.

“It’s beginning to move but I’m confident that we will beat this,” Biden said. “But we will still be talking about this in the summer. We will still be dealing with this issue in the early fall.”

I have confidence in him to achieve it but i think by the fall many current measures will be gone.

Some of my family members have already gotten the vaccine. I don't think it too unlikely Biden's goal will be reached.
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Postby Geneviev » Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:10 pm

Kowani wrote:Biden says all Americans could have access to vaccine by spring

President Joe Biden says he anticipates that coronavirus vaccines will be delivered to 1 million Americans per day within the next three weeks, and that the medicines should be available to anyone in the nation who wants it by Spring.

Biden added that he thought the nation would soon get to 1.5 million vaccines per day, noting logistical hurdles that have stalled distribution and left many Americans frustrated they can’t get shots.

“I feel confident that by summer we’re going to be well on our way to heading toward herd immunity and increasing the access for people who aren’t on the first on the list,” Biden said Monday after a ceremony to sign an order to boost government spending on American products.

Biden also repeated his warning that the death count from the virus will continue to rise, and defended his administration’s timeline for stopping it.

“It’s beginning to move but I’m confident that we will beat this,” Biden said. “But we will still be talking about this in the summer. We will still be dealing with this issue in the early fall.”

Good! I hope I get vaccinated soon. It's good that Biden is finally president now.
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Postby Questreya » Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:13 pm


Antifa plants trying to burn down the legacy of the greatest man to ever hold the office of the President?
i don't remember that at the Nuremburg Trials

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:14 pm

Zul-ar wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I have confidence in him to achieve it but i think by the fall many current measures will be gone.

Some of my family members have already gotten the vaccine. I don't think it too unlikely Biden's goal will be reached.

and its quite possible his goal gets beaten.

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Postby Questreya » Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:15 pm

Geneviev wrote:Good! I hope I get vaccinated soon. It's good that Biden is finally president now.

found Joe's burner

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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:18 pm

Questreya wrote:
Rusozak wrote:
People from the Nuremburg Trials:

Image

Antifa plants trying to burn down the legacy of the greatest man to ever hold the office of the President?
i don't remember that at the Nuremburg Trials


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Postby Vassenor » Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:19 pm

Questreya wrote:
Rusozak wrote:
People from the Nuremburg Trials:

Image

Antifa plants trying to burn down the legacy of the greatest man to ever hold the office of the President?
i don't remember that at the Nuremburg Trials


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Postby Cordel One » Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:19 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Cordel One wrote:That's true, but it often defeats the purpose of what you want and becomes immoral.


What do you suggest occur instead? How would you govern?

It depends on the scenario. I have explained it to you a few times in the past.

San Lumen wrote:
Senkaku wrote:your expectation that anyone challenging your beliefs needs to be able to present a fully-formed whole-of-government plan to operationalize their ideas strikes me as a weird one

and even if it weren't, Cordel's laid out the broad strokes answer to that question for you many times before, so I doubt an answer is going to really cover any new ground


I prefer solutions as opposed to generalizations and grandstanding.

Ask generalized questions, get generalized answers.
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