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Postby Picairn » Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:24 am

Nejii wrote:Very low bias for C-Span, at least according to this.

In truth I don't really mull over which news outlets are "good or bad", so to speak. I utilize multiple sources, though I'm very aware of their various biases. There are outlets though that I typically outright avoid, New York Times typically being one of them.

Easier said than done. For most mundane news I only read from NYTimes to avoid the inevitable boredom of cross-checking and confirming the same main points over and over. Quite a tedious process if you ask me.

If something big happens, like Panama Papers-level of big, I usually go to ICIJ (International Consortium of Investigative Journalists). Folks in that organization have exposed both US and China's crimes quite equally, so I trust their impartiality.
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Postby Gravlen » Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:24 am

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If he's gonna be inside the Lincoln memorial, he needs to wear a mask. It's a public place and if he had covid and coughed on something, he could potentially spread it to other people.

Btw that wasn't the only time he was without a mask.

https://www.silive.com/news/2021/01/hyp ... inion.html

You can see in the photo here he has 9 people with him and no one is masked.

Nine family members. I don't know how many live in the same household as he does, but it should be noted that it's not random people.

That said he should have worn a mask, not just to set a good example but also knowing that people are looking for any flaw, no matter how small, to string him up with. Best not to give them ammo.
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:34 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
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Most media carries advertising, and that pays their bills. The interests of advertisers are embodied in the product itself.

If you think media is formed ONLY by what the consumers enjoy, then I guess that serves to ennoble your own career. I don't see any harm in you continuing to think that way.

Come to think of it, big movies get their pay directly, both in the cinema and in rentals. I consider them leading influences, but fairly minor to the consumers in terms of hours watched. I admit to being biased by not liking the cinema experience.

Like I said, some sort of Captain Planet cartoon. And a bit of that good old Dunning Kruger that makes trying to have a realistic conversation about it pretty much impossible.


It's your strongest subject, supposedly. But all you have to offer is "I know so much about it, it's not even worth me coming here".

Note that you goaded me TWICE before I bit back. You are running out of chances.
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:39 am

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Picairn wrote:Just watch some C-Span and be done with it. I get my daily news from NYTimes, and Kowani. :p


Very low bias for C-Span, at least according to this.

In truth I don't really mull over which news outlets are "good or bad", so to speak. I utilize multiple sources, though I'm very aware of their various biases. There are outlets though that I typically outright avoid, New York Times typically being one of them.


NYT has a lot of rather speculative comment on it. However their news is very widely quoted by other outlets, so you may be avoiding NYT directly but still reading news "from" NYT.
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Postby Der Befreier » Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:45 am

A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:
Nejii wrote:
Very low bias for C-Span, at least according to this.

In truth I don't really mull over which news outlets are "good or bad", so to speak. I utilize multiple sources, though I'm very aware of their various biases. There are outlets though that I typically outright avoid, New York Times typically being one of them.


NYT has a lot of rather speculative comment on it. However their news is very widely quoted by other outlets, so you may be avoiding NYT directly but still reading news "from" NYT.


I avoid them mostly because they harp on social culture war nonsense too much for my liking.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:24 am

I mainly get my news from a mix of NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, Buzzfeed, Vox, Vice and witnesses to whatever event made the news on twitter.
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Postby Wink Wonk We Like Stonks » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:32 am

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Postby The Holy Therns » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:34 am

Wink Wonk We Like Stonks wrote:i get my news from this thread tbh


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Postby Northern Socialist Council Republics » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:36 am

Wink Wonk We Like Stonks wrote:i get my news from this thread tbh

Then let yourself be seduced into the Auntie Beeb life, taking a moment to feel smarter than you actually are following the discussions on Channel 4, and lulling yourself to sleep with the calming monotone of the Shipping Forecast...

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...still better than American cable TV where, it seems, everyone is always angry for any conceivable reason or, at times, no reason at all
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Postby Gravlen » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:37 am

Dominion Voting Systems has sued Rudy Giuliani for his false claims over the election, seeking $1.3 billion. Same as against Powell.
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Postby Der Befreier » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:37 am

I use a variety of sources, but BBC and ARD are my go to.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:42 am

Agarntrop wrote:MSM do not like Trump because he is unpredictable, untrustworthy and as a result its not likely that he does what they want him to do.

Daily reminder that CNN not liking Trump doesn't make CNN good.

Mainstream media corporations love Trump. His whole presidency has meant more money in their pockets because he is constantly generating headlines, and his threats to sue them all for criticising them have been empty.

Les Moonves: Trump's run is 'damn good for CBS'
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Postby Der Befreier » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:45 am

Ifreann wrote:
Agarntrop wrote:MSM do not like Trump because he is unpredictable, untrustworthy and as a result its not likely that he does what they want him to do.

Daily reminder that CNN not liking Trump doesn't make CNN good.

Mainstream media corporations love Trump. His whole presidency has meant more money in their pockets because he is constantly generating headlines, and his threats to sue them all for criticising them have been empty.

Les Moonves: Trump's run is 'damn good for CBS'


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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Jan 25, 2021 7:06 am

Gravlen wrote:Dominion Voting Systems has sued Rudy Giuliani for his false claims over the election, seeking $1.3 billion. Same as against Powell.

That should be entertaining.
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Postby Glorious Hong Kong » Mon Jan 25, 2021 7:36 am

Nejii wrote:
Picairn wrote:Just watch some C-Span and be done with it. I get my daily news from NYTimes, and Kowani. :p


Very low bias for C-Span, at least according to this.

In truth I don't really mull over which news outlets are "good or bad", so to speak. I utilize multiple sources, though I'm very aware of their various biases. There are outlets though that I typically outright avoid, New York Times typically being one of them.


Agreed. C-SPAN is notoriously unbiased almost to a fault. The extended inauguration proceedings were almost entirely devoid of any commentary. At the other extreme, I absolutely hate The Independent's ultra-woke guts.
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Glorious Hong Kong wrote:
Nejii wrote:
Very low bias for C-Span, at least according to this.

In truth I don't really mull over which news outlets are "good or bad", so to speak. I utilize multiple sources, though I'm very aware of their various biases. There are outlets though that I typically outright avoid, New York Times typically being one of them.


Agreed. C-SPAN is notoriously unbiased almost to a fault. The extended inauguration proceedings were almost entirely devoid of any commentary. At the other extreme, I absolutely hate The Independent's ultra-woke guts.

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Mon Jan 25, 2021 7:58 am

Ifreann wrote:
Agarntrop wrote:MSM do not like Trump because he is unpredictable, untrustworthy and as a result its not likely that he does what they want him to do.

Daily reminder that CNN not liking Trump doesn't make CNN good.

Mainstream media corporations love Trump. His whole presidency has meant more money in their pockets because he is constantly generating headlines, and his threats to sue them all for criticising them have been empty.

Les Moonves: Trump's run is 'damn good for CBS'


Reporters didn't like Trump because he kept hurting their egos. Alot of reporters are rather arrogant SOBs and think they're like the intelligentsia of society and when a guy who looks like he escaped the Brooklyn Zoo tells you "you're just a dumbass and a Low IQ moron, and everyone hates you" before urging his fans to boo you, and you got that kind of ego, it's gonna cause some anger issues.

The news corporations loved Trump. He was a never ending blitz of stories.
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Postby Arvenia » Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:00 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Mainstream media corporations love Trump. His whole presidency has meant more money in their pockets because he is constantly generating headlines, and his threats to sue them all for criticising them have been empty.

Les Moonves: Trump's run is 'damn good for CBS'


Reporters didn't like Trump because he kept hurting their egos. Alot of reporters are rather arrogant SOBs and think they're like the intelligentsia of society and when a guy who looks like he escaped the Brooklyn Zoo tells you "you're just a dumbass and a Low IQ moron, and everyone hates you" before urging his fans to boo you, and you got that kind of ego, it's gonna cause some anger issues.

The news corporations loved Trump. He was a never ending blitz of stories.

Now that he is no longer President, what are news corporations going to do?
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Postby No State Here » Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:01 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Mainstream media corporations love Trump. His whole presidency has meant more money in their pockets because he is constantly generating headlines, and his threats to sue them all for criticising them have been empty.

Les Moonves: Trump's run is 'damn good for CBS'


Reporters didn't like Trump because he kept hurting their egos. Alot of reporters are rather arrogant SOBs and think they're like the intelligentsia of society and when a guy who looks like he escaped the Brooklyn Zoo tells you "you're just a dumbass and a Low IQ moron, and everyone hates you" before urging his fans to boo you, and you got that kind of ego, it's gonna cause some anger issues.

The news corporations loved Trump. He was a never ending blitz of stories.

The same could be said about hollywood celebrities. Like Ricky Gervais said, "So if you do win an award tonight, don't use it as a platform to make a political speech. You're in no position to lecture the public about anything. You know nothing about the real world. Most of you spent less time in school than Greta Thunberg."
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:03 am

Arvenia wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Reporters didn't like Trump because he kept hurting their egos. Alot of reporters are rather arrogant SOBs and think they're like the intelligentsia of society and when a guy who looks like he escaped the Brooklyn Zoo tells you "you're just a dumbass and a Low IQ moron, and everyone hates you" before urging his fans to boo you, and you got that kind of ego, it's gonna cause some anger issues.

The news corporations loved Trump. He was a never ending blitz of stories.

Now that he is no longer President, what are news corporations going to do?

The same thing they always do. Try to take over the world. Broadcast the news.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:24 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:I mainly get my news from a mix of NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, Buzzfeed, Vox, Vice and witnesses to whatever event made the news on twitter.

My primary news sources are ABC and CNN.

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Postby Echo Chamber Thought Police » Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:26 am

San Lumen wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:I mainly get my news from a mix of NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, Buzzfeed, Vox, Vice and witnesses to whatever event made the news on twitter.

My primary news sources are ABC and CNN.

Couldn't have guessed....

Honestly I use Sky/BBC and generally just what comes up on my feed.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:36 am

Angry at Biden re-instituting Title IX protections for transgender kids, House Republican introduces anti-trans legislation that could lead to genital exams for school girls

A Congressional Republican has introduced a federal bill that would ban transgender girls and women from participating in school sports.

Rep. Greg Steube (R-FL) introduced H.R. 426 yesterday, which would threaten federal funds to state and local athletics organizations if they allow “a person whose sex is male to participate in an athletic program or activity that is designated for women or girls.”

The bill does not describe exactly how schools should determine what someone’s sex assigned at birth is, just vaguely stating that “sex shall be recognized based solely on a person’s reproductive biology and genetics at birth.”

In a press release, Steube touted support from the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, a Christian organization run by men that has already attacked President Joe Biden for supporting “further expansions of abortion and contraception.”

Steube said in the release that the point of the bill is to help cisgender women participate in women’s sports.

The bill – which is unlikely to come up for a vote in the Democratic House – would be a direct challenge to the Biden administration’s position that anti-LGBTQ discrimination is already illegal under federal law and that transgender people have the same rights to participate in sports like anyone else.

In a sweeping executive order signed on Wednesday, Biden expanded protections for LGBTQ people and specifically cited discrimination against transgender people in schools.

“Children should be able to learn without worrying about whether they will be denied access to the restroom, the locker room, or school sports,” Biden’s executive order said.

Steube introduced the same legislation in the U.S. House early last year, and Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-HI) introduced a similar bill later in the year. Sen. Kelly Loeffler (R-GA) introduced similar legislation in the U.S. Senate.

In 2019 and 2020, a wave of Republicans in state legislatures all over the country introduced bills to ban transgender girls and women from school sports, and Idaho Republicans succeeded in passing one such bill, which is being challenged in federal court.

The Idaho law allows for a female student athlete’s gender to be “challenged” and requires the athlete to undergo medical exams to “prove” it. A doctor, the law says, will have to examine the athlete’s genitalia, hormones, and DNA and make a determination of their sex, something that Democrats pointed out is not recommended by the American Academy of Pediatrics.

Steube’s 2021 bill does not say how state and local sports governing bodies should define or check a student athlete’s “reproductive biology and genetics at birth”; all the bill does is threaten their federal funding if they don’t. The bill contains no language banning states or schools from using forced genital or DNA exams on girls and women who want to participate in school sports.

His bill also doesn’t have similar requirements for boys or men who want to participate in sports, meaning that the genital exams would only be for girls and women.

Transgender equality advocates argue that the entire point of this legislation is to deny that transgender women are women.

“Claiming that being assigned male at birth makes one constrained to the category of man and the so-called biology of maleness for their entire lives is tantamount to erasing the embodied and lived experience of trans people. A woman who is trans is a woman,” wrote ACLU attorney Chase Strangio in a Medium article about the GOP attempts to force transgender girls and women out of school sports.

“And all the science we have demonstrates that not affirming trans and gender expansive kids in who they are results in catastrophic mental health consequences including devastating rates of suicidality.”


Also note that this is only for the girls. Do have to wonder why so many conservative Republicans have an obsession with examining the genitalia of teenage and pre-pubescent girls.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:47 am

Vassenor wrote:Angry at Biden re-instituting Title IX protections for transgender kids, House Republican introduces anti-trans legislation that could lead to genital exams for school girls

A Congressional Republican has introduced a federal bill that would ban transgender girls and women from participating in school sports.

Rep. Greg Steube (R-FL) introduced H.R. 426 yesterday, which would threaten federal funds to state and local athletics organizations if they allow “a person whose sex is male to participate in an athletic program or activity that is designated for women or girls.”

The bill does not describe exactly how schools should determine what someone’s sex assigned at birth is, just vaguely stating that “sex shall be recognized based solely on a person’s reproductive biology and genetics at birth.”

In a press release, Steube touted support from the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, a Christian organization run by men that has already attacked President Joe Biden for supporting “further expansions of abortion and contraception.”

Steube said in the release that the point of the bill is to help cisgender women participate in women’s sports.

The bill – which is unlikely to come up for a vote in the Democratic House – would be a direct challenge to the Biden administration’s position that anti-LGBTQ discrimination is already illegal under federal law and that transgender people have the same rights to participate in sports like anyone else.

In a sweeping executive order signed on Wednesday, Biden expanded protections for LGBTQ people and specifically cited discrimination against transgender people in schools.

“Children should be able to learn without worrying about whether they will be denied access to the restroom, the locker room, or school sports,” Biden’s executive order said.

Steube introduced the same legislation in the U.S. House early last year, and Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-HI) introduced a similar bill later in the year. Sen. Kelly Loeffler (R-GA) introduced similar legislation in the U.S. Senate.

In 2019 and 2020, a wave of Republicans in state legislatures all over the country introduced bills to ban transgender girls and women from school sports, and Idaho Republicans succeeded in passing one such bill, which is being challenged in federal court.

The Idaho law allows for a female student athlete’s gender to be “challenged” and requires the athlete to undergo medical exams to “prove” it. A doctor, the law says, will have to examine the athlete’s genitalia, hormones, and DNA and make a determination of their sex, something that Democrats pointed out is not recommended by the American Academy of Pediatrics.

Steube’s 2021 bill does not say how state and local sports governing bodies should define or check a student athlete’s “reproductive biology and genetics at birth”; all the bill does is threaten their federal funding if they don’t. The bill contains no language banning states or schools from using forced genital or DNA exams on girls and women who want to participate in school sports.

His bill also doesn’t have similar requirements for boys or men who want to participate in sports, meaning that the genital exams would only be for girls and women.

Transgender equality advocates argue that the entire point of this legislation is to deny that transgender women are women.

“Claiming that being assigned male at birth makes one constrained to the category of man and the so-called biology of maleness for their entire lives is tantamount to erasing the embodied and lived experience of trans people. A woman who is trans is a woman,” wrote ACLU attorney Chase Strangio in a Medium article about the GOP attempts to force transgender girls and women out of school sports.

“And all the science we have demonstrates that not affirming trans and gender expansive kids in who they are results in catastrophic mental health consequences including devastating rates of suicidality.”


Also note that this is only for the girls. Do have to wonder why so many conservative Republicans have an obsession with examining the genitalia of teenage and pre-pubescent girls.


Imagine being so transphobic you'd risk looking like a pedophile just to own the libs.

That or you actually are a pedophile and you're trying to look like you're doing this for the good of the kids.
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"The devil is out there. Hiding behind every corner and in every nook and cranny. In all of the dives, all over the city. Before you lays an entire world of enemies, and at day's end when the chips are down, we're a society of strangers. You cant walk by someone on the street anymore without crossing the road to get away from their stare. Welcome to the Twilight Zone. The land of plague and shadow. Nothing innocent survives this world. If it can't corrupt you, it'll kill you."

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