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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:44 am

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:the legitimate leader of Syria is Asad.


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Postby Picairn » Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:49 am

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:The most important is the agreement of neighboring countries with Assad because the legitimate leader of Syria is Asad. Political Islamists in Turkey have difficulty understanding it. The fight against terrorism cannot be continued by supporting another terrorist group. The only thing America has to change politically is not to see the Middle East as its backyard. cold war is over

That's rich coming from you, mate. Your country profitted from US intervention and now you're here criticizing the US while simultaneously defending Turkey's invasion as part of its own War on Terror, in the same breath. Because imperialism is only bad when the US does it, amirite?
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Postby Arvenia » Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:51 am

Picairn wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:The most important is the agreement of neighboring countries with Assad because the legitimate leader of Syria is Asad. Political Islamists in Turkey have difficulty understanding it. The fight against terrorism cannot be continued by supporting another terrorist group. The only thing America has to change politically is not to see the Middle East as its backyard. cold war is over

That's rich coming from you, mate. Your country profitted from US intervention and now you're here criticizing the US while simultaneously defending Turkey's invasion as part of its own War on Terror, in the same breath. Because imperialism is only bad when the US does it, amirite?

I agree with you. Britain, France, Germany, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Russia, Japan and China have all been equally guilty of imperialism, so America is not alone.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:58 am

Picairn wrote:Erdogan is embarking on a campaign to carve his own Ottoman Empire out of the Middle East and Hakinda has the gall to criticize US intervention.


Erdogan is so clearly trying to recreate the past empire. He even has the ottoman moustache.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:58 am

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:the legitimate leader of Syria is Asad.


Tyrants are illegitimate by default. They belong at the gallows, not in office.


Hard disagree. This idiotic mindset has killed well over a million people in the Middle East for no gain.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:01 am

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Ifreann wrote:I wonder why there weren't more. It's meant to be civilians running the military, not retired generals.



K-Pop fans have taken to flooding various far-right hashtags with K-Pop stuff, thus ruining the hashtag for the far-right.


What do you have against him?

Exactly what I said.
The rule got waived. Biden clearly felt he was the best person for the job,

Bit pointless to have a rule if you're just going to waive it.


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Ifreann wrote:
K-Pop fans have taken to flooding various far-right hashtags with K-Pop stuff, thus ruining the hashtag for the far-right.

K=pop fans have done a lot of cool stuff.

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Ifreann wrote:I wonder why there weren't more. It's meant to be civilians running the military, not retired generals


So by that logic, veterans should be excluded from the presidency?

That might be a bit much, maybe just make them wait a few election cycles after leaving the military before letting them run.


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I've criticised your first president at length.


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Genivaria wrote:I don't really see the problem here, the SecDef reports to the President who is a civilian.
Civilian leadership of the military is still there.

Also the guy is a civilian technically now. He’s no longer in the military anymore

So much a civilian that there's a rule against him being Secretary of Defence that had to be waived.


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Also I guess someone somewere is thinking of giving Air Force One a new color scheme? She just said that the president hasn't spent a second thinking about what color to paint the plane, but now I'm wondering who has...

Gotta figure there's some kind of official Decorator Laureate of the United States or something. Someone standing on the tarmac looking at Air Force One with that "looking at a painting" facial expression, thinking about whether this colour scheme sparks joy.



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Better to have gridlock and get nothing done than to compromise in ways that are more harmful than literally doing nothing, yes.


And since no one can agree that means government shutdown with no hope of it ending due to neither side being able reach a deal.

Why would both sides need to be able to reach a deal when the Democrats have a majority in both houses of the legislature? Lumen, your party won the election, why are you so desperately arguing that now they need to give up the power they were just given by the electorate?


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People are suffering right now and Joe Biden, being in charge of the agencies causing that suffering, has the power to stop it. There should be legislation preventing future presidents from abusing people like Donald Trump did, but there is no reason that the victims of Donald Trump should have to continue to suffer while that legislation is drafted, debated, amended, and eventually passed into law.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:01 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Tyrants are illegitimate by default. They belong at the gallows, not in office.


Hard disagree. This idiotic mindset has killed well over a million people in the Middle East for no gain.


Actually most of those deaths were for oil. The US is as committed to democracy and freedom in the middle east as George Wallace was to peace and equality.
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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:13 am

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:the legitimate leader of Syria is Asad.


Tyrants are illegitimate by default. They belong at the gallows, not in office.
Nobody deserves death. I hope you can tell the difference between us from this death advocacy phrase you used. America comes a president who is not hungry for the oil of other countries that do not support the execution, and the mentality of defending this evil death disappears.

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Picairn wrote:Erdogan is embarking on a campaign to carve his own Ottoman Empire out of the Middle East and Hakinda has the gall to criticize US intervention.


Erdogan is so clearly trying to recreate the past empire. He even has the ottoman moustache.
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Postby Agarntrop » Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:11 am

San Lumen wrote:
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He lied.

Just because you have a cult-like dedication to the DNC that would mean you would vote for a cup with a blue D on it doesn't mean the Democrats are a perfect party.

I don’t have a cult like devotion. I understand unlike you that if you don’t compromise nothing will get done. It’s part of politics and without it you’d have total gridlock and nothing would get done.

Warnock promised $2000 checks and then went back on it, literally a day after he was sworn in.

That is called betrayal not compromise.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:25 am

Agarntrop wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I don’t have a cult like devotion. I understand unlike you that if you don’t compromise nothing will get done. It’s part of politics and without it you’d have total gridlock and nothing would get done.

Warnock promised $2000 checks and then went back on it, literally a day after he was sworn in.

That is called betrayal not compromise.


Perhaps because there is not enough support in the Senate for it. If everyone stuck to their corners like you want and refused to budge from what they want nothing would ever get done. A government shutdown like what we had in late 2018 to early 2019 would never end because no one would be able to reach an agreement.

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:25 am


No. It was the fault of MAGA hats that refuse to admit defeat and Trump for spurring on that bullshit ""the election was stolen"" garbage.

Just there faults. Only there faults.

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Postby Atheris » Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:37 am

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
Page wrote:
Erdogan wouldn't have had a chance to carve out a new Ottoman Empire if not for US intervention in the first place. Maybe if America hadn't armed the totally-not-moderate rebels in Syria, Assad would have won the war sooner. Instead, the Syrian government has weakened so much that Turkey invaded and there was nothing they could do.
The most important is the agreement of neighboring countries with Assad because the legitimate leader of Syria is Asad

No, he's not.
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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:38 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Tyrants are illegitimate by default. They belong at the gallows, not in office.


Hard disagree. This idiotic mindset has killed well over a million people in the Middle East for no gain.

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Postby Ifreann » Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:38 am

San Lumen wrote:
Agarntrop wrote:Warnock promised $2000 checks and then went back on it, literally a day after he was sworn in.

That is called betrayal not compromise.


Perhaps because there is not enough support in the Senate for it. If everyone stuck to their corners like you want and refused to budge from what they want nothing would ever get done. A government shutdown like what we had in late 2018 to early 2019 would never end because no one would be able to reach an agreement.

You should really stop trying to compromise with the people who want to take away your rights.
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Postby Major-Tom » Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:39 am



McCarthy was never an intellectual heavyweight, nor was he ever generally smart either, if we're being honest.

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Postby Atheris » Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:39 am

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:the legitimate leader of Syria is Asad.


Tyrants are illegitimate by default. They belong at the gallows, not in office.

Depends on your definition of a tyrant.
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Postby Gravlen » Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:47 am

Agarntrop wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I don’t have a cult like devotion. I understand unlike you that if you don’t compromise nothing will get done. It’s part of politics and without it you’d have total gridlock and nothing would get done.

Warnock promised $2000 checks and then went back on it, literally a day after he was sworn in.

That is called betrayal not compromise.

"Here, let me give you $2,000."
"Yes please!"

*Counts out bills*

"100, 200, 300, 400..."
"What the fuck are you doing?!"
"Giving you $2,000?"
"No, you're giving me $100, and then giving me another $100. You promised me $2,000, you liar!! What a betrayal!"

*Flips over table*
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Postby Silvedania » Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:47 am

Gravlen wrote:
Agarntrop wrote:Warnock promised $2000 checks and then went back on it, literally a day after he was sworn in.

That is called betrayal not compromise.

"Here, let me give you $2,000."
"Yes please!"

*Counts out bills*

"100, 200, 300, 400..."
"What the fuck are you doing?!"
"Giving you $2,000?"
"No, you're giving me $100, and then giving me another $100. You promised me $2,000, you liar!! What a betrayal!"

*Flips over table*

I really don't get it.
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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:53 am

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Protesters gather, damage Democratic headquarters in Oregon

"Fuck Trump! Fuck Biden too! They don't give a fuck about you!"

Meanwhile, pro-Trump protesters are virtually a no-show across state capitols.

The few who did show up have been entirely peaceful. Did the FBI and Secret Service overestimate the threat of violence? Not that they were wrong to do so but still.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:54 am

Gravlen wrote:
Agarntrop wrote:Warnock promised $2000 checks and then went back on it, literally a day after he was sworn in.

That is called betrayal not compromise.

"Here, let me give you $2,000."
"Yes please!"

*Counts out bills*

"100, 200, 300, 400..."
"What the fuck are you doing?!"
"Giving you $2,000?"
"No, you're giving me $100, and then giving me another $100. You promised me $2,000, you liar!! What a betrayal!"

*Flips over table*


Surely you can understand how people who are struggling to put food on the table don't see $600 now and $1400 at some point in the future as the same thing as getting a $2000 check.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:58 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Gravlen wrote:"Here, let me give you $2,000."
"Yes please!"

*Counts out bills*

"100, 200, 300, 400..."
"What the fuck are you doing?!"
"Giving you $2,000?"
"No, you're giving me $100, and then giving me another $100. You promised me $2,000, you liar!! What a betrayal!"

*Flips over table*


Surely you can understand how people who are struggling to put food on the table don't see $600 now and $1400 at some point in the future as the same thing as getting a $2000 check.

People who are struggling to put food on the table are generally pretty good at basic math.
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Postby Omniabstracta » Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:00 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Gravlen wrote:"Here, let me give you $2,000."
"Yes please!"

*Counts out bills*

"100, 200, 300, 400..."
"What the fuck are you doing?!"
"Giving you $2,000?"
"No, you're giving me $100, and then giving me another $100. You promised me $2,000, you liar!! What a betrayal!"

*Flips over table*


Surely you can understand how people who are struggling to put food on the table don't see $600 now and $1400 at some point in the future as the same thing as getting a $2000 check.

But at the time of the campaigning, when that messaging was created, the $600 checks weren’t sent out yet, so $600+$1,4000 would be a single $2,000 check. Especially because the first time it took weeks for them to start coming out, so it was understandably thought by the campaign teams that Warnock and Ossoff might have been sworn in and working on that by the time they were in office. The check delivery was just faster than anyone expected, but it still didn’t happen until the campaign was essentially done and finished.
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Postby Eahland » Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:04 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Gravlen wrote:"Here, let me give you $2,000."
"Yes please!"

*Counts out bills*

"100, 200, 300, 400..."
"What the fuck are you doing?!"
"Giving you $2,000?"
"No, you're giving me $100, and then giving me another $100. You promised me $2,000, you liar!! What a betrayal!"

*Flips over table*


Surely you can understand how people who are struggling to put food on the table don't see $600 now and $1400 at some point in the future as the same thing as getting a $2000 check.

Surely you can understand that it's not the fault of the people who weren't even in office yet that the bulk of their $2000 check was delayed by the other party?
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Postby Gravlen » Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:08 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Gravlen wrote:"Here, let me give you $2,000."
"Yes please!"

*Counts out bills*

"100, 200, 300, 400..."
"What the fuck are you doing?!"
"Giving you $2,000?"
"No, you're giving me $100, and then giving me another $100. You promised me $2,000, you liar!! What a betrayal!"

*Flips over table*


Surely you can understand how people who are struggling to put food on the table don't see $600 now and $1400 at some point in the future as the same thing as getting a $2000 check at some point in the future.

I had to change your post slightly to more easily underline my point. My change is in red.

No, I really can't understand it. In fact, based on what you say, I can see them being happy getting something right away and the rest later instead of having to wait for the entire sum to appear later.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:09 am

Ifreann wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Perhaps because there is not enough support in the Senate for it. If everyone stuck to their corners like you want and refused to budge from what they want nothing would ever get done. A government shutdown like what we had in late 2018 to early 2019 would never end because no one would be able to reach an agreement.

You should really stop trying to compromise with the people who want to take away your rights.

Yes everyone should just stomp their feet and say my way or the highway and if nothing gets done so be it. I’m standing up for my beliefs. So want if that new bridge never gets built or money doesn’t get appropriated for vaccines?

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