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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:06 am



Man this is like peak bothsame. "Well it's in a way all sides' fault." No Kevin, it's your sides fault since your side became the party of conspiracy theories, nazis, people with anger issues and the biggest clown in American history back in 2016. Stop trying to put the blame on us, cause most of us didn't want the capitol building to be stormed on January 20th.

I believe in the right to assemble and free speech but the GOP tests my loyalty to the first amendment everyday when they continually go further down the sewer hole and become increasingly an extremist party.
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Republicans have video and audio, and they've got Dem ads like the one reproduced above.

It's money. To individuals. Of everything to be seen as lying about, it's about the worst.


Really. You think that's going to be a winning strategy? Reminding people that during the crisis the Republicans only wanted to give them $600 and then counting on people being more upset that the Democrats rounded it up to $2000 instead of just adding an additional $2000? You think that will be a winning strategy?


You *have* noticed how a significant portion of Trumpvoters believes that Biden is a pedophile because he "sniffs hairs" and waive away actual rapecases, relations with Epstein, comments about his daughter etc. when talking about Trump ?

The dems stole 600 dollars. That is how they will see it.
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Postby Picairn » Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:15 am

The Alma Mater wrote:You *have* noticed how a significant portion of Trumpvoters believes that Biden is a pedophile because he "sniffs hairs" and waive away actual rapecases, relations with Epstein, comments about his daughter etc. when talking about Trump ?

The dems stole 600 dollars. That is how they will see it.

... You think those Trump voters voted for Biden in the first place, and that they can be relied on to vote for him again?
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Postby Picairn » Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:16 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Man this is like peak bothsame. "Well it's in a way all sides' fault."

Bothsiderism serves one purpose only: Deflect the crimes of the true culprit.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:17 am

Biden put out that stupid shit about unity and now Republicans are making it worse. It makes me hate the word alone, because it sounds like everyone wants us to just pretend the last four years never happened. I say fuck that. We should never forget the disaster that was the Trump presidency and the fact that 46 to 48% of voters in both 2016 and 2020 wanted this. Don't let people take the red hat off and pretend they never supported this or that they aren't responsible for it.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:19 am

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Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Man this is like peak bothsame. "Well it's in a way all sides' fault."

Bothsiderism serves one purpose only: Deflect the crimes of the true culprit.


"Yeah we did bad stuff but hey you did blah blah blah blah."

This is the sentiment that makes me wanna have an anti unity rally. Like I wanna go set up signs saying "no to unity with haters" and basically assemble a crowd to make it clear that until Trump and his fans admit they were wrong, the only thing there can be is bitter peace. But unity is out of the question. I'm not about to join hands and sing kumbaya with people who voted for a man who let 2000 people from my ancestral island die after a hurricane.
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Postby Picairn » Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:20 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Biden put out that stupid shit about unity and now Republicans are making it worse. It makes me hate the word alone, because it sounds like everyone wants us to just pretend the last four years never happened. I say fuck that. We should never forget the disaster that was the Trump presidency and the fact that 46 to 48% of voters in both 2016 and 2020 wanted this. Don't let people take the red hat off and pretend they never supported this or that they aren't responsible for it.

Biden wants unity, but he's also erasing Trump's EOs and planning to overturn some of his tax cuts. I think he wants unity only with those who are willing to make a clean break with Trump and cooperate with the Democrats, which may be few but still overall a better strategy than Obama's.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:23 am

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Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Biden put out that stupid shit about unity and now Republicans are making it worse. It makes me hate the word alone, because it sounds like everyone wants us to just pretend the last four years never happened. I say fuck that. We should never forget the disaster that was the Trump presidency and the fact that 46 to 48% of voters in both 2016 and 2020 wanted this. Don't let people take the red hat off and pretend they never supported this or that they aren't responsible for it.

Biden wants unity, but he's also erasing Trump's EOs and planning to overturn some of his tax cuts. I think he wants unity only with those who are willing to make a clean break with Trump and cooperate with the Democrats, which may be few but still overall a better strategy than Obama's.


Biden needs to focus on accountability. We can talk about unity when Trump and his cronies are behind bars or exiled.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:29 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Biden put out that stupid shit about unity and now Republicans are making it worse. It makes me hate the word alone, because it sounds like everyone wants us to just pretend the last four years never happened. I say fuck that. We should never forget the disaster that was the Trump presidency and the fact that 46 to 48% of voters in both 2016 and 2020 wanted this. Don't let people take the red hat off and pretend they never supported this or that they aren't responsible for it.


Lt. Aldo Raine had some interesting ideas around this...

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Postby Agarntrop » Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:31 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Biden put out that stupid shit about unity and now Republicans are making it worse. It makes me hate the word alone, because it sounds like everyone wants us to just pretend the last four years never happened. I say fuck that. We should never forget the disaster that was the Trump presidency and the fact that 46 to 48% of voters in both 2016 and 2020 wanted this. Don't let people take the red hat off and pretend they never supported this or that they aren't responsible for it.

is it really good to declare war against half the electorate
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:32 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Picairn wrote:Biden wants unity, but he's also erasing Trump's EOs and planning to overturn some of his tax cuts. I think he wants unity only with those who are willing to make a clean break with Trump and cooperate with the Democrats, which may be few but still overall a better strategy than Obama's.


Biden needs to focus on accountability. We can talk about unity when Trump and his cronies are behind bars or exiled.

In this instance he knows exactly what he's doing. We definitely have had enough of an executive using the branches and office of government as his personal army. You watch his press conferences when people push him on this his line is clear, he's the president, he has a country in crisis to deal with, it's not the scope of his office. He's not going to interfere. But if the House, the body tasked with oversight, sees fit to fulfill that role, well...that's their role. If the Attorney General office or law enforcement agencies pursue investigations into wrong doing, he's not going to interfere.

It's not his role. He's going to let people do their job, which just so happens would be investigating and prosecuting crimes. All he has to do is not get in the way.

To use his bully pulpit at this point to fire and brimstone while he has a split senate and an agenda that needs passing would devolve the government back into the last four years. But if he just goes about his job and lets the bodies empowered with oversight, he gets to do both. He's not in charge of the investigations, if your guy is getting investigated that's kinda your problem, I'm just over here trying to govern the nation.
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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:04 am

The new prime minister, the same American politics. The same support for separatist terrorists in Syria. People come and go. American imperialism is here to stay. It would be best for America to end its military presence in the Middle East and not support terrorists, is oil not enough ?
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:08 am

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Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Biden put out that stupid shit about unity and now Republicans are making it worse. It makes me hate the word alone, because it sounds like everyone wants us to just pretend the last four years never happened. I say fuck that. We should never forget the disaster that was the Trump presidency and the fact that 46 to 48% of voters in both 2016 and 2020 wanted this. Don't let people take the red hat off and pretend they never supported this or that they aren't responsible for it.

is it really good to declare war against half the electorate


I'm not a die hard fan of the last president. I dont stoop as low as to fuck with people im not fond of.

I would appreciate if they do like the song says though. Tell me no lies and keep your hands to yourself.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:11 am

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:The new prime minister, the same American politics. The same support for separatist terrorists in Syria. People come and go. American imperialism is here to stay. It would be best for America to end its military presence in the Middle East and not support terrorists, is oil not enough ?


B-but Russia.

You know, considering how much our middle east wars fucked us up, maybe it would be a good thing to let Russia get more involved in the region. Last time they got super involved in a war In a Muslim country, their government fell apart. If the Russians over extend themselves in the mid east, it'll be the death of them, so I say let them have Syria and see if they enjoy it in a couple years. Meanwhile we'll be redirecting former military funding to things like a better social safety net, our inner city schools, universal healthcare and drug treatment.
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Postby Picairn » Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:15 am

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:The new prime minister, the same American politics. The same support for separatist terrorists in Syria. People come and go. American imperialism is here to stay. It would be best for America to end its military presence in the Middle East and not support terrorists, is oil not enough ?

Not prime minister, president. And last time Trump withdrew troops, Turkey invaded northern Syria. I think Biden would be wise to strike a deal with Turkey before leaving.
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Postby Rusozak » Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:16 am

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:The new prime minister, the same American politics. The same support for separatist terrorists in Syria. People come and go. American imperialism is here to stay. It would be best for America to end its military presence in the Middle East and not support terrorists, is oil not enough ?


First off, we have a president, not a prime minister. Second, Although I'm not a fan of US foreign intervention, you can hardly pull the imperialism card considering Turkey's activity in the conflict.
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Erdogan is embarking on a campaign to carve his own Ottoman Empire out of the Middle East and Hakinda has the gall to criticize US intervention.
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Picairn wrote:Erdogan is embarking on a campaign to carve his own Ottoman Empire out of the Middle East and Hakinda has the gall to criticize US intervention.


Erdogan wouldn't have had a chance to carve out a new Ottoman Empire if not for US intervention in the first place. Maybe if America hadn't armed the totally-not-moderate rebels in Syria, Assad would have won the war sooner. Instead, the Syrian government has weakened so much that Turkey invaded and there was nothing they could do.
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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:30 am

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Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:The new prime minister, the same American politics. The same support for separatist terrorists in Syria. People come and go. American imperialism is here to stay. It would be best for America to end its military presence in the Middle East and not support terrorists, is oil not enough ?

Not prime minister, president. And last time Trump withdrew troops, Turkey invaded northern Syria. I think Biden would be wise to strike a deal with Turkey before leaving.
Turkey's border security protection is a natural right. Did you calculate how many kilometers are between America and Syria ? but I think they are following the wrong path because I do not think that the fight against terrorism will be done by supporting terrorists. The Middle East is not America's backyard. It would be nice to see a president who understands that.

Picairn wrote:Erdogan is embarking on a campaign to carve his own Ottoman Empire out of the Middle East and Hakinda has the gall to criticize US intervention.
You know Erdogan very wrong. Let me tell you. Erdogan thinks of neither Ottoman nor religious values. He is a person who only thinks about himself. One of the men that America loves
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:32 am

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San Lumen wrote:Compromise is how anything gets done. If everyone stuck to their corners and said I won’t budge on anything and only accept what I want to do you’d have total gridlock and nothing would ever get accomplished.

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He lied.

Just because you have a cult-like dedication to the DNC that would mean you would vote for a cup with a blue D on it doesn't mean the Democrats are a perfect party.

I don’t have a cult like devotion. I understand unlike you that if you don’t compromise nothing will get done. It’s part of politics and without it you’d have total gridlock and nothing would get done.

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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:33 am

Picairn wrote:Erdogan is embarking on a campaign to carve his own Ottoman Empire out of the Middle East and Hakinda has the gall to criticize US intervention.


Of course he does. Hakinda openly supports Turkish imperialism. He literally sees nothing wrong with it.
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Postby Picairn » Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:37 am

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Turkey's border security protection is a natural right.

I didn't realize Turkey's borders extend 30 kilometers into Syria's land.

You know Erdogan very wrong. Let me tell you. Erdogan thinks of neither Ottoman nor religious values. He is a person who only thinks about himself. One of the men that America loves

He thinks about himself so much he managed to piss off both the US and Russia. What a genius!
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Postby Picairn » Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:38 am

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Of course he does. Hakinda openly supports Turkish imperialism. He literally sees nothing wrong with it.

Once again, the "War on Terror" rhetoric is employed to whip up legitimacy for an intervention.

So familiar...
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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:41 am

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Picairn wrote:Erdogan is embarking on a campaign to carve his own Ottoman Empire out of the Middle East and Hakinda has the gall to criticize US intervention.


Erdogan wouldn't have had a chance to carve out a new Ottoman Empire if not for US intervention in the first place. Maybe if America hadn't armed the totally-not-moderate rebels in Syria, Assad would have won the war sooner. Instead, the Syrian government has weakened so much that Turkey invaded and there was nothing they could do.
The most important is the agreement of neighboring countries with Assad because the legitimate leader of Syria is Asad. Political Islamists in Turkey have difficulty understanding it. The fight against terrorism cannot be continued by supporting another terrorist group. The only thing America has to change politically is not to see the Middle East as its backyard. cold war is over
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