American Politics III: New President, Same Old Country

[Vassenor]

It should be trump who won the elections tho

81 million Americans disagree with you.

[Greater Miami Shores]

If they are saying it, as I said President Trump did not say protest violently and did not say storm the Capitol Building, he said protest peacefully, therefore he is not responsible for it. They made a personal decision to do so, no one told them to do so and no one forced them to do so. I have not heard this, but I take your word for it. GMS.

The same goes for persons on the left tearing down statues and monuments, burning buildings, looting stores, throwing projectiles at cops, killing cops, killing innocent persons and looting stores, which I have also condemned. GMS.

If you're going to take the line that all protesters who entered the Capitol did so by their own choice, then it's very suspicious that you "wish I could have gone with them".

I thought you were law-abiding? I'm rather disappointed.

Re Read my post in full context without taking it out of context. I said, I wish I could have gone with them and I would not have participated in the violence either, which I have condemned.

My American Friend who went with his wife to the Trump Stop The Election Steal Rally, is an American Vietnam Combat Veteran of The Air Force. My Cuban Friend who went to the Trump Stop The Election Steal Rally, is an American Vietnam Combat Veteran of The US Marines.

They did not participate in the violence. They are Proud Pro Republican Trump Supporters, Pro USA, USA, USA, American Patriot Citizens of The USA. All Proud Republican Trump Supporters are Pro USA, USA, USA, American Patriot Citizens of The USA.

My American Friend leads us on signing The National Anthem of The USA. We always sing the The National Anthem of The USA and another American Friend leads on the Pledge Allegiance to The USA, at the Trump Rallies and Meetings I attend every Sunday.

Perhaps you did not see my Post, it is very possible you did not see my Post.

We will never Take A Knee to The National Anthem of The USA. We will never Take A Knee to The Pledge of Allegiance to The USA. We will never burn the American Flag of The USA. We will never step on it, we will never stomp on it, We will never desecrate the Flag of The USA. We will never Take a Knee to The Flag of The USA. We don't want to have these rights.

I Posted an amendment on the Lets Amend The US Constitution Thread, to not burn and desecrate the Flag of The USA, in any way shape or form, while being allowed to Protest our government peacefully. Many anti Trump Persons and Leftists of all kinds, strongly criticized me and put me down for my amendment to the US Constitution to not be allowed to burn the American Flag, step on it, stomp on it, and desecrate the Flag of The USA, in any way, shape or form, while being allowed to protest our government peacefully. GMS.

America - USA, USA, USA. GMS.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

But what about QAnon?

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

It should be trump who won the elections tho

Stamp once for Yes. Stamp twice for No.

[Albrenia]

But what about QAnon?

Turns out that random guys on the internet who claim to have high-level government clearance and access to Super Secret Knowledge are full of shit. Who could have guessed?

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

If you're going to take the line that all protesters who entered the Capitol did so by their own choice, then it's very suspicious that you "wish I could have gone with them".

I thought you were law-abiding? I'm rather disappointed.

Re Read my post in full context without taking it out of context. I said, I wish I could have gone with them and I would not have participated in the violence either, which I have condemned.

Oh you foxed me again, such a clever fox.

Entering the building after police tried to stop them, was a crime. Would you have entered the building?

[Cannot think of a name]

Could the people responsible for QAnon be charged with anything under US law? They seem to have at least as much responsibility as Trump for the storming of the Capitol.

Nah, it's too indirect I guess is the way to say it. Like, you can't really ding people for being full of shit and as long as Qanon never said "you need to start killing people and breaking shit"...we're going to spend a lot of time trying to figure out how you inoculate people from bullshit.

It has been a remarkable rebuke against the idea that the sort of 'unlimited information' of the internet will create an easily determined truth accessible to all. Like, lies have spread and taken root over time through yellow journalism or state disinformation, but now...just straight up complete and obvious nonsense took root. Like someone without a particular agenda other than 'I'm just going to post the most ridiculous bullshit I can and see who I catch' ended up snowballing into a movement that helped incite an insurrection.

There's going to be entire fields of study about the last four years.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Re Read my post in full context without taking it out of context. I said, I wish I could have gone with them and I would not have participated in the violence either, which I have condemned.

Oh you foxed me again, such a clever fox.

Entering the building after police tried to stop them, was a crime. Would you have entered the building?

I see you did not re read my post in full context without taking it out of context. GMS.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

There's going to be entire fields of study about the last four years.

You're not wrong there.

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

Oh you foxed me again, such a clever fox.

Entering the building after police tried to stop them, was a crime. Would you have entered the building?

I see you did not re read my post in full context without taking it out of context. GMS.

I'm not going to. I take a dim view of people whose dedication to a cause supposedly goes as far as committing a Federal crime, but "sadly couldn't make it on the day".

[Picairn]

There's going to be entire fields of study about the last four years.

Trumpism: An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes.

Probably gonna be some political scientist's magnum opus.

[Greater Miami Shores]

I see you did not re read my post in full context without taking it out of context. GMS.

I'm not going to. I take a dim view of people whose dedication to a cause supposedly goes as far as committing a Federal crime, but "sadly couldn't make it on the day".

Ok.

Facts:

01 - My American Friend a Vietnam Combat Veteran of The Air Force did not participate in the violence.

02 - My Cuban Friend, A Vietnam Combat Veteran of The US Marines did not participate in the violence.

03 - The Majority of the Persons at The Pro Trump Stop The Election Steal Rally did not participate in the violence.

04 - Republican President Trump, did not say protest violently.

05 - President Trump said, protest peacefully.

06 - President Trump did not say storm The Capitol Building.

07 - President Trump is clearly not responsible for the violence and the Storming of The Capitol Building.

08 - The Millions of US Pro Trump Republican Supporters, are Pro USA, USA, USA, American Patriot Citizens of The USA.

09 - These are Facts.

10 - It is on my sig.

GMS.

[Washington Resistance Army]

President Trump is clearly not responsible for the violence and the Storming of The Capitol Building.

Literally all of his own fans and supporters who were there are blaming him and saying he's responsible. Give it up.

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

I'm not going to. I take a dim view of people whose dedication to a cause supposedly goes as far as committing a Federal crime, but "sadly couldn't make it on the day".

Ok.

Facts:

My American Friend a Vietnam Combat Veteran of The Air Force did not participate in the violence.

My Cuban Friend, A Vietnam Combat Veteran of The US Marines did not participate in the violence.

The Majority of the Persons at The Pro Trump Stop The Election Steal Rally did not participate in the violence.

Republican President Trump, did not say protest violently.

President Trump said, protest peacefully.

President Trump did not say storm The Capitol Building.

President Trump is clearly not responsible for the violence and the Storming of The Capitol Building.

The Millions of US Pro Trump Republican Supporters, are Pro USA, USA, USA, American Patriot Citizens of The USA.

These are Facts.

It is on my sig.

GMS.

You made a claim, I challenged it, and you changed the subject.

I'm no longer interested in anything you have to say, about anything. Bye.

[Greater Miami Shores]

President Trump is clearly not responsible for the violence and the Storming of The Capitol Building.

Literally all of his own fans and supporters who were there are blaming him and saying he's responsible. Give it up.

I am responding to Posts.

That is not what my Cuban and American Friends I have posted about in details at the Pro Trump Stop The Election Steal Rally say. GMS.

[Picairn]

I'm no longer interested in anything you have to say, about anything. Bye.

Foe's List, you know. I blocked him a long time ago because hearing repetitive, tedious arguments played over and over again melts my brain.

[Cannot think of a name]

There's going to be entire fields of study about the last four years.

Trumpism: An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes.

Probably gonna be some political scientist's magnum opus.

This is going to be epic levels of academic study. Political Science is just the beginning. How information spreads, how belief is formed, what 'media' even means in the 21st century, the effects of chaos in information. Like, Q didn't even try to be believable. This actually taps into a thing I've been really curious about, the desire to believe overwhelms and overrides critical thought or skeptism...that's sort of wrong and inarticulate because I have a dumb persons degree, but something like the History of Consciousness, those guys would have one of those paragraph long paper title that pins it all down.

Like look at our persistent and intractable friend who so often leans on the community of belief to assure himself over evidence, in fact despite evidence. I think that this is beyond sort of hacky notions of 'tribalism' or partisanship, those would be lanes that people end up on from that need for a belief regardless of veracity.

I don't know, I'm making a butcher of this because I went and studied shit like how the lydian mode works and dramatic theory of visual narratives.

tl/dr: Poli Sci is only half of it.

[Greater Miami Shores]

I strongly respect the democratic rights of A-Series-Of-Tubes, Picairn and all Persons to Post their different views on Republican President Trump, Cuba and any issues.

It does not bother me.

I will never put any Persons on ignore for any reasons.

I will never put any Persons on ignore for strongly disagreeing with me on Republican President Trum, Cuba and any issues.

This respect is given it is not earned. This respect is called Democracy.

I am very Proud of it.

As a native Cuban and American citizen, Cuba is my real number 1 Pet issue on NS.

GMS.

[Cannot think of a name]

I'm no longer interested in anything you have to say, about anything. Bye.

Foe's List, you know. I blocked him a long time ago because hearing repetitive, tedious arguments played over and over again melts my brain.

Just a heads up, despite this being a thing that has been kosher since forever and, in fact, advice mods have given frequently to avoid heated exchanges and threadjackings, they are now apparently deliberating whether that is a warnable offense to suggest that if someone is dragging a thread they be ignored. Don't want anyone to catch a warning because they didn't see the sudden change coming.

[Shazbotdom]

It should be trump who won the elections tho

Parroting the same thing without an explanation is bad debate...

[Cannot think of a name]

Parroting the same thing without an explanation is bad debate...

Don't think debate was the aim.

[Picairn]

Parroting the same thing without an explanation is bad debate...

I hate hit-and-run posts.

[The Alma Mater]

Could the people responsible for QAnon be charged with anything under US law? They seem to have at least as much responsibility as Trump for the storming of the Capitol.

Nah, it's too indirect I guess is the way to say it. Like, you can't really ding people for being full of shit and as long as Qanon never said "you need to start killing people and breaking shit"...we're going to spend a lot of time trying to figure out how you inoculate people from bullshit.

Are you sure ? Saying "person X is part of a satanic pedophile cult that drinks babyblood that stole the election and is planning to take all your rights away" is pretty easy to follow up with "and therefor should be taken down".

It should be considered slander/defamation at least.

[Shazbotdom]

Parroting the same thing without an explanation is bad debate...

Don't think debate was the aim.

I think I will have to agree. He's just trying to stir the pot.

Parroting the same thing without an explanation is bad debate...

I hate hit-and-run posts.

[Albrenia]

Gotta admit, I'm not sure if a Biden Presidency is going to be anywhere near as entertaining to talk about. We'll probably be a bit more divided here than we were about Trump, but I don't think Biden has the sheer capacity for discussion-worthy antics as Trump did.

Much like how late-night comedians and journalists are going to have to put a lot more effort into their jobs now.