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Postby Esalia » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:03 am

Within an hour it'll finally be the end of Trump's presidency.
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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:03 am

Lost Memories wrote:Just found this around.
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Source: https://ecfr.eu/publication/the-crisis- ... s-america/

Our political system is broken, but why exactly should we care what Europeans think?
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:04 am

Page wrote:I wonder if he negotiated with his advisers over his farewell speech. "If I don't talk about the election being stolen, you have to let me say China virus!"


I hope you have good reasons for defending and trying to protect the PRC. I prefer calling it the Wuhan Virus because China is too large and many believe it originated in the city of Wuhan. Are leftists also angry we say 'Lyme Disease' (after all, Connecticut is a blue state)?

No, Calling Covid-19 ‘Chinese Virus’ Is Not Racist

https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/11/no ... ot-racist/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyme_disease

Lyme disease was diagnosed as a separate condition for the first time in 1975 in Old Lyme, Connecticut.[16]

Bombshell U.S. State Department Report Reveals Evidence The Wuhan Virus Originated In A Chinese Lab

https://thefederalist.com/2021/01/19/bo ... inese-lab/

Fact Sheet: Activity at the Wuhan Institute of Virology

https://www.state.gov/fact-sheet-activi ... -virology/

Communist China Sentences Journalist Who Reported Government’s Wuhan Virus Malfeasance

https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/28/co ... lfeasance/

Communist China sentenced a citizen journalist who reported on China’s early COVID-19 outbreak in Wuhan to four years in prison for “picking quarrels and provoking trouble.” Zhang Zhan shared video footage of overwhelmed hospitals in the virus-stricken city and challenged the state-controlled media’s narrative about the virus, criticizing the Chinese Communist’s Party response to the outbreak.
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Postby Atheris » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:05 am

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:
Lost Memories wrote:Just found this around.
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Source: https://ecfr.eu/publication/the-crisis- ... s-america/

Our political system is broken, but why exactly should we care what Europeans think?

...Good point.
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Postby Esalia » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:05 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Page wrote:I wonder if he negotiated with his advisers over his farewell speech. "If I don't talk about the election being stolen, you have to let me say China virus!"


I hope you have good reasons for defending and trying to protect the PRC. I prefer calling it the Wuhan Virus because China is too large and many believe it originated in the city of Wuhan. Are leftists also angry we say 'Lyme Disease' (after all, Connecticut is a blue state)?

No, Calling Covid-19 ‘Chinese Virus’ Is Not Racist

https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/11/no ... ot-racist/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyme_disease

Lyme disease was diagnosed as a separate condition for the first time in 1975 in Old Lyme, Connecticut.[16]

Bombshell U.S. State Department Report Reveals Evidence The Wuhan Virus Originated In A Chinese Lab

https://thefederalist.com/2021/01/19/bo ... inese-lab/

Fact Sheet: Activity at the Wuhan Institute of Virology

https://www.state.gov/fact-sheet-activi ... -virology/

Communist China Sentences Journalist Who Reported Government’s Wuhan Virus Malfeasance

https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/28/co ... lfeasance/

Communist China sentenced a citizen journalist who reported on China’s early COVID-19 outbreak in Wuhan to four years in prison for “picking quarrels and provoking trouble.” Zhang Zhan shared video footage of overwhelmed hospitals in the virus-stricken city and challenged the state-controlled media’s narrative about the virus, criticizing the Chinese Communist’s Party response to the outbreak.


Mocking calling COVID-19 "China virus" is not protecting the PRC. You can think it's dumb to call COVID-19 "China virus" and despise the PRC.
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Postby Western Fardelshufflestein » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:05 am

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Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:Our political system is broken, but why exactly should we care what Europeans think?

...Good point.

Yeah...we rebelled against the British for a reason 8) .
But I do like Europe.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:06 am

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Which is why you got no proof :rofl: :lol2: give it up already. Trump was a fucking disgrace and failed on covid so he lost.


Yep. I expect the virus not to be a significant problem in 3 weeks in the USA now that Biden is in charge. People convinced me that Trump is to blame for the virus so if the virus is still a big problem in the USA in 3 weeks, who can we blame?

My expectations are high Mr. Biden. Please don't disappoint me. If you do, I expect you (or at least your followers) to issue a public apology to Mr. Trump. The alternative is for the media to equally blame Mr. Biden for any deaths that occur 2-3 weeks after today and constantly attack him.

Personally, I know what I wrote is pure bull manure. Biden and Trump are not God and they are not scientists. These 'gentlemen' didn't create the virus and blaming the deaths on them is unfair.

Trump can fairly be blamed for the number of covid deaths in the US because of his staggering failure to wield the power of the presidency to try and fight the spread of the virus, his efforts to deceive the American people about the severity of the virus, his opposition to mask wearing, his absurd lies about miracle cures, and the several people he personally infected with covid-19.

Will Biden be equally to blame for the deaths that occur under his watch? We'll have to wait and see if he does do everything he can to save lives.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:06 am

Gravlen wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:I didn't know this part:

If W. wasn't a war criminal and responsible for some pretty heinous shit, he really would be a cool dude to grab a beer with.

I had a cat that was pure liquid evil. She was also cute as fuck. It's how she got away with being some of the evil fucking shit she did. Bush II should have been the death of the idea of selecting a president based on who you'd like to grab a beer with.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:08 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Which is why you got no proof :rofl: :lol2: give it up already. Trump was a fucking disgrace and failed on covid so he lost.


Yep. I expect the virus not to be a significant problem in 3 weeks in the USA now that Biden is in charge. People convinced me that Trump is to blame for the virus so if the virus is still a big problem in the USA in 3 weeks, who can we blame?

My expectations are high Mr. Biden. Please don't disappoint me. If you do, I expect you (or at least your followers) to issue a public apology to Mr. Trump. The alternative is for the media to equally blame Mr. Biden for any deaths that occur 2-3 weeks after today and constantly attack him.

Personally, I know what I wrote is pure bull manure. Biden and Trump are not God and they are not scientists. These 'gentlemen' didn't create the virus and blaming the deaths on them is unfair.

Is the idea of having a POTUS who's not on record saying "I don't take responsibility" so utterly terrifying?
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Postby Gravlen » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:09 am

Ifreann wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
Yep. I expect the virus not to be a significant problem in 3 weeks in the USA now that Biden is in charge. People convinced me that Trump is to blame for the virus so if the virus is still a big problem in the USA in 3 weeks, who can we blame?

My expectations are high Mr. Biden. Please don't disappoint me. If you do, I expect you (or at least your followers) to issue a public apology to Mr. Trump. The alternative is for the media to equally blame Mr. Biden for any deaths that occur 2-3 weeks after today and constantly attack him.

Personally, I know what I wrote is pure bull manure. Biden and Trump are not God and they are not scientists. These 'gentlemen' didn't create the virus and blaming the deaths on them is unfair.

Trump can fairly be blamed for the number of covid deaths in the US because of his staggering failure to wield the power of the presidency to try and fight the spread of the virus, his efforts to deceive the American people about the severity of the virus, his opposition to mask wearing, his absurd lies about miracle cures, and the several people he personally infected with covid-19.

Will Biden be equally to blame for the deaths that occur under his watch? We'll have to wait and see if he does do everything he can to save lives.

Hell, Biden even wants to implement a national strategy! :blink: Who can live at that speed??
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:14 am

Shrillland wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:W got a second term, though.


Well, yes, but that was the Values Election since the economy, while not stellar, was doing okay and the wars were still mostly supported by Americans at that moment so it was a vote on gay marriage and abortion. That and Kerry came off as too elitist for too many people.


I remember that election. I was upset that people focused on two relatively minor issues. After all, even if abortion were banned, it is easy to go to Canada and gays could still have a marriage ceremony and be intimate with each other and banning their marriage would also prevent them from getting legal divorces.

Too bad we couldn't make a good chant that rhymes with Bush to protest the Iraq War.

Kerry was also war monger:

Kerry's Endorsement of Biden Fits: Two Deceptive Supporters of the Iraq War

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019 ... s-iraq-war

Kerry defended Biden's vote on the war, but what gave Biden or Kerry of Bush the right to even want to ban a sovereign nation from having weapons (assuming the worst case scenario was actually true)?

Kerry defends Biden on Iraq War, says Bush administration 'broke their word'

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-e ... r-n1114111
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:15 am

Gravlen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Trump can fairly be blamed for the number of covid deaths in the US because of his staggering failure to wield the power of the presidency to try and fight the spread of the virus, his efforts to deceive the American people about the severity of the virus, his opposition to mask wearing, his absurd lies about miracle cures, and the several people he personally infected with covid-19.

Will Biden be equally to blame for the deaths that occur under his watch? We'll have to wait and see if he does do everything he can to save lives.

Hell, Biden even wants to implement a national strategy! :blink: Who can live at that speed??

Very excited for America to learn that it is sometimes possible for a government to do good things.
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:15 am

Gravlen wrote:Airforce One taking off with the Trump family onboard. Fuck off!


That is not very nice.
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:16 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:gays could still have a marriage ceremony and be intimate with each other and banning their marriage would also prevent them from getting legal divorces.

What a fucking weird argument.
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Postby Istoreya » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:16 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Gravlen wrote:Airforce One taking off with the Trump family onboard. Fuck off!


That is not very nice.

Who gives a fuck? Trump doesn't deserve our respect, let alone our kindness.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:16 am

Kind of looking forward to not having everything described as 'the likes of which has never been seen' or 'no one could believe it' or 'a lot of people said it couldn't be done' etc.
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Postby Esalia » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:16 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Gravlen wrote:Airforce One taking off with the Trump family onboard. Fuck off!


That is not very nice.


I'm sure Trump can live with the ego damage from a random person on the internet telling him to fuck off.
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Postby Gravlen » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:16 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Gravlen wrote:Airforce One taking off with the Trump family onboard. Fuck off!


That is not very nice.

They weren't very nice, so...
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:17 am

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:They should've just kicked the bastard down the steps. No Air Force One ride, no speech, no cameras, no farewells, no 21 gun salute, etc. Just throw him out and lock the door.

He got more than he deserved.


Same goes for Obama right? Or did you forget about the innocent people Obama killed and his attacks on Americans' civil liberties?
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:18 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:Kind of looking forward to not having everything described as 'the likes of which has never been seen' or 'no one could believe it' or 'a lot of people said it couldn't be done' etc.


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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:20 am

Hopefully it remains as ceremonial. Ceremony is nice after the 6th.
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Postby Picairn » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:20 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:-snip-

I hope you have good reasons for defending and trying to protect the anti-Chinese racism that stemmed from calling it the China virus.
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Postby The Holy Therns » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:20 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Gravlen wrote:Airforce One taking off with the Trump family onboard. Fuck off!


That is not very nice.


Pretty well deserved, though.
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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:20 am

Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:
Atheris wrote:...Good point.

Yeah...we rebelled against the British for a reason 8) .
But I do like Europe.

This idea that America is essentially European in culture makes no sense and we should stop priding ourselves on our so called “Europeanness”
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Postby Salandriagado » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:20 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Lost Memories wrote:Just found this around.
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Source: https://ecfr.eu/publication/the-crisis- ... s-america/

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