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Postby United Chinese Communes » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:16 pm

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Bombadil wrote:Basically city dwellers tend to be more tolerant and cognisant of the need for public services than rural.

Easy to imagine why, if you think about it. Statistics show that Republican voters, no matter income level, are much happier than their democrat counterparts. While part of that I think is attributed to faith in God and belief in a good family as the basis of society, living in a rural area is far more of an individualistic lifestyle than urban living is

I would think the opposite, really. Rural, agricultural life is far more immediately dependent on the people around you, despite what the propagandistic ideal of 'Rugged Individualism' would have you believe. Rural communities tend to be much more close-knit than urban ones.
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:16 pm

Bombadil wrote:Hence why strong community programs in cities would really help solve a lot of the problems. There's benefits on both sides of urban vs. rural, good aspects and bad aspects from both - it's just the conversation is so either/or these days.


Apparently being new to an area is a strong determinant of doing crime. Even in inner-cities where mythology is that there's no ""community"" to speak of.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:17 pm

United Chinese Communes wrote:
Kexholm Karelia wrote:Easy to imagine why, if you think about it. Statistics show that Republican voters, no matter income level, are much happier than their democrat counterparts. While part of that I think is attributed to faith in God and belief in a good family as the basis of society, living in a rural area is far more of an individualistic lifestyle than urban living is

I would think the opposite, really. Rural, agricultural life is far more immediately dependent on the people around you, despite what the propagandistic ideal of 'Rugged Individualism' would have you believe. Rural communities tend to be much more close-knit than urban ones.


...which would explain why they would be happier on average. As people with a sense of belonging in their community would naturally be happier.
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:18 pm

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You were making sense up to "living in rural areas". There aren't enough rural Republicans (considering they're not ALL Republicans) to account for Republicans generally being ... allegedly happier.

I have to ask you for a source, but I'm not looking forward to "statistics" made up by some guy whose qualifications are "Pastor". Please try to make it a credible source, OK?

Pew Research Center?


Excellent. I rest my case.
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Postby No State Here » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:20 pm

Kexholm Karelia wrote:
A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:
You were making sense up to "living in rural areas". There aren't enough rural Republicans (considering they're not ALL Republicans) to account for Republicans generally being ... allegedly happier.

I have to ask you for a source, but I'm not looking forward to "statistics" made up by some guy whose qualifications are "Pastor". Please try to make it a credible source, OK?

Pew Research Center?

I think the thing that stands out here is religiousness. I made a post about this a long time ago on TET, but anyways, I used to be irreligious until this year when I developed faith in God, and overall I would say my life has been much more positive since then, just because of the feeling that someone’s always looking out for me and there’s an end goal to life. If Christianity isn’t your thing, there are many religions, go for the one you think is your "true calling," if you will
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Postby United Chinese Communes » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:20 pm

Valrifell wrote:
United Chinese Communes wrote:I would think the opposite, really. Rural, agricultural life is far more immediately dependent on the people around you, despite what the propagandistic ideal of 'Rugged Individualism' would have you believe. Rural communities tend to be much more close-knit than urban ones.


...which would explain why they would be happier on average. As people with a sense of belonging in their community would naturally be happier.

Exactly, these kinds of collective communities tend to make people happier than the atomised individualism that characterises life within the nests of capital.

Which really turns KK's point on its head.
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Postby Bombadil » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:21 pm

A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:
Bombadil wrote:Hence why strong community programs in cities would really help solve a lot of the problems. There's benefits on both sides of urban vs. rural, good aspects and bad aspects from both - it's just the conversation is so either/or these days.


Apparently being new to an area is a strong determinant of doing crime. Even in inner-cities where mythology is that there's no ""community"" to speak of.


My own personal experience but when I lived in a Tower block I hardly knew my neighbour other than to nod good morning at the elevator. Now I have BBQs with my neighbours on a regular basis.

I'm not using public transport, there's no real crime here so don't need police.. even the fire departments main job is getting cats out of trees.

Hence why religion has such a hold in rural areas, because it's a community moment.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:21 pm

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United Chinese Communes wrote:I would think the opposite, really. Rural, agricultural life is far more immediately dependent on the people around you, despite what the propagandistic ideal of 'Rugged Individualism' would have you believe. Rural communities tend to be much more close-knit than urban ones.


...which would explain why they would be happier on average. As people with a sense of belonging in their community would naturally be happier.


Yes and no. They just have a different set of problems.
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Postby Comerciante » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:22 pm

No State Here wrote:
Kexholm Karelia wrote:Pew Research Center?

I think the thing that stands out here is religiousness. I made a post about this along time ago on TET, but anyways, I used to be irreligious until this year when I developed faith in God, and overall I would say my life has been much more positive since then, just because of the feeling that someone’s always looking out for me and there’s an end goal to life. If Christianity isn’t your thing, there are many religions, go for the one you think is your "true calling," if you will

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:23 pm

Bombadil wrote:
A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:
Apparently being new to an area is a strong determinant of doing crime. Even in inner-cities where mythology is that there's no ""community"" to speak of.


My own personal experience but when I lived in a Tower block I hardly knew my neighbour other than to nod good morning at the elevator. Now I have BBQs with my neighbours on a regular basis.

I'm not using public transport, there's no real crime here so don't need police.. even the fire departments main job is getting cats out of trees.

Hence why religion has such a hold in rural areas, because it's a community moment.

I work with or have worked with three people in my building, I did not find out by running into them here.
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Postby Cordel One » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:26 pm

Kexholm Karelia wrote:
Bombadil wrote:Basically city dwellers tend to be more tolerant and cognisant of the need for public services than rural.

Easy to imagine why, if you think about it. Statistics show that Republican voters, no matter income level, are much happier than their democrat counterparts. While part of that I think is attributed to faith in God and belief in a good family as the basis of society, living in a rural area is far more of an individualistic lifestyle than urban living is

Ignorance is bliss, as they say.

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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:31 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
...which would explain why they would be happier on average. As people with a sense of belonging in their community would naturally be happier.


Yes and no. They just have a different set of problems.


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City dweller: We've got potholes!
Bush dweller: With SUV's stuck in them?
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:31 pm

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The Alma Mater wrote:The Texas GOP consists of traitors.
How.. surprising.


I'm more surprised the Arizona GOP isn't on this list. The California GOP has gone insane too, and they're almost irrelevant at this point. my question is how we all missed this: because I feel they could get in trouble for this. The GOP definitely needs to reign in on their State and Local affiliates. Otherwise, the party is in for not just a bruising, but also a divided conference.

The Georgia GOP is currently under too much infighting to be considered any form of useful
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Postby Diahon » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:43 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
I'm more surprised the Arizona GOP isn't on this list. The California GOP has gone insane too, and they're almost irrelevant at this point. my question is how we all missed this: because I feel they could get in trouble for this. The GOP definitely needs to reign in on their State and Local affiliates. Otherwise, the party is in for not just a bruising, but also a divided conference.

The Georgia GOP is currently under too much infighting to be considered any form of useful


curious about the hawaii gop myself

i mean, that's apparently a thing that actually exists

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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:45 pm

Cordel One wrote:
Kexholm Karelia wrote:Easy to imagine why, if you think about it. Statistics show that Republican voters, no matter income level, are much happier than their democrat counterparts. While part of that I think is attributed to faith in God and belief in a good family as the basis of society, living in a rural area is far more of an individualistic lifestyle than urban living is

Ignorance is bliss, as they say.


Well exactly. I lived in the country for a bit over a year, and I felt pretty happy at the time. In retrospect I was miserably bored, and the reason I didn't notice is I had a girlfriend the whole time. The place was so isolated it didn't have power or phone line, and it was back when cell coverage was mainly in cities and towns. I could perhaps have afforded satellite but then I'd need power so bugger it. Having a girlfriend was good enough.

Country people need a good internet connection far more than city people do. Some of them are so remote, that satellite (which limit gaming, due to high ping) is the only option. It should be free for them.
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Postby Bombadil » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:50 pm

Diahon wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:The Georgia GOP is currently under too much infighting to be considered any form of useful


curious about the hawaii gop myself

i mean, that's apparently a thing that actually exists


Pretty sure some multiple pages back someone posted something about the Hawaii GOP saying something particularly dumb.
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:58 pm

Diahon wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:The Georgia GOP is currently under too much infighting to be considered any form of useful


curious about the hawaii gop myself

i mean, that's apparently a thing that actually exists


Platform of the Hawaii GOP. I'm sure there's stuff in there I won't like, but cutting taxes on food and other necessities, and their applause of renewable power, both look alright.
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:03 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Diahon wrote:
curious about the hawaii gop myself

i mean, that's apparently a thing that actually exists


Pretty sure some multiple pages back someone posted something about the Hawaii GOP saying something particularly dumb.


One of their senior members expressed support for Capitol insurgents, but I think the official line is "don't impeach, but don't riot either". These are not the Republicans you're looking for, move along
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Postby Comerciante » Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:09 pm

I live in Hawaii and I don't even remember they exist even though I should know they do...
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:22 pm

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They also owned slaves and Jefferson raped one of his. Please stop Deifying the founders.


Do you have proof he raped her? How do you know it was not consensual?


I mean she was 14 years old when it started. But please why don't you explain to us how child molestation is okay, cause that's basically what you're saying bro.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:23 pm

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She might have felt internal pressure to have sex with him or she might have done it for special privileges like better food and an easier job. Some modern women are intimate with the bosses for the same reason. We don't know the situation and there was no trial. There is a difference between him gently seducing her and her going along with it because of attraction or want of privileges and him just grabbing her and forcing himself on her. It is unfair to assume he raped her just because she is a slave.


Modern women have the option to walk away. A fair contract has to be freely entered, and that makes tacking some other contract onto "you are my slave, you do what I say, you can't walk away" absurdly unfair.

You used to be a libertarian dude. What happened?


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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:25 pm

Kexholm Karelia wrote:
Bombadil wrote:Basically city dwellers tend to be more tolerant and cognisant of the need for public services than rural.

Easy to imagine why, if you think about it. Statistics show that Republican voters, no matter income level, are much happier than their democrat counterparts. While part of that I think is attributed to faith in God and belief in a good family as the basis of society, living in a rural area is far more of an individualistic lifestyle than urban living is


Is that why the opioid crisis is the worst in Republican states?
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Postby Salus Maior » Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:26 pm

United Chinese Communes wrote: Rural communities tend to be much more close-knit than urban ones.


Which is why they are based.
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:40 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
United Chinese Communes wrote: Rural communities tend to be much more close-knit than urban ones.


Which is why they are based.


It's probably also why young people tend to leave. Society is completely dominated by people on average 30 years older than them ... b-o-o-o-o-oring!
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