American Politics III: New President, Same Old Country

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

Because sex with a slave cannot be consensual.

She might have felt internal pressure to have sex with him or she might have done it for special privileges like better food and an easier job. Some modern women are intimate with the bosses for the same reason. We don't know the situation and there was no trial. There is a difference between him gently seducing her and her going along with it because of attraction or want of privileges and him just grabbing her and forcing himself on her. It is unfair to assume he raped her just because she is a slave.

Modern women have the option to walk away. A fair contract has to be freely entered, and that makes tacking some other contract onto "you are my slave, you do what I say, you can't walk away" absurdly unfair.

You used to be a libertarian dude. What happened?

[Freiheit Reich]

How does being a slave make it non consensual?

A slave has no power to say no.

She could fight him, bite off his sausage, try to kill him afterwards (if she had an opportunity). Are you saying women have never tried to fight a rapist and all of them just lie back and take it?

I am not saying she could do those things. He might have been much stronger than her or had a friend hold her down. He might have had a gun or knife. However, it is possible to say 'no' depending on the situation.

[Spirit of Hope]

Because sex with a slave cannot be consensual.

She might have felt internal pressure to have sex with him or she might have done it for special privileges like better food and an easier job. Some modern women are intimate with the bosses for the same reason. We don't know the situation and there was no trial. There is a difference between him gently seducing her and her going along with it because of attraction or want of privileges and him just grabbing her and forcing himself on her. It is unfair to assume he raped her just because she is a slave.

If coercion is used to have sex with with someone, no mater what form that coercion is, then it is rape. Sally Hemings was owned by Thomas Jefferson, there is no way she could have said no to him, legally or practically. Since Thomas Jefferson, and everyone else, hardly ever wrote about her, and we have no written records from Sally Hemings.

To suggest that a slave could in any way consent to having sex with their master is insane. To be clear, Thomas Jefferson could have ordered her killed, and there would have been almost no push back.

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

A slave has no power to say no.

She could fight him, bite off his sausage, try to kill him afterwards (if she had an opportunity). Are you saying women have never tried to fight a rapist and all of them just lie back and take it?

I am not saying she could do those things. He might have been much stronger than her or had a friend hold her down. He might have had a gun or knife. However, it is possible to say 'no' depending on the situation.

Just stop it. Change the subject.

[Spirit of Hope]

A slave has no power to say no.

She could fight him, bite off his sausage, try to kill him afterwards (if she had an opportunity). Are you saying women have never tried to fight a rapist and all of them just lie back and take it?

I am not saying she could do those things. He might have been much stronger than her or had a friend hold her down. He might have had a gun or knife. However, it is possible to say 'no' depending on the situation.

Then she is killed. Rather brutally.

Again, she was a slave, property. Thomas Jefferson could order her beaten for any reason he wanted. He could have her sold away from her children, he could have her killed.

Fighting back would not only mean brutal retaliation against him, it would mean brutal retaliation against her friends and family.

[Celritannia]

So the entire west coast may not have a single high up Republican after all

[Sung to the tune of Johnny comes marching home]

Republicans are falling 2 by 2
Huzzah, huzzah
Republicans are falling 2 by 2
Huzzah, huzzah

The Republic's saved now Trump has gone
And Their party is lost without its head
We can now all breath with a sigh of relief.

[Freiheit Reich]

So no that we have established that the founding fathers had serious issues when it comes to modern morality, and that we do not want the US to emulate the countries on the list of countries that have flogging, what do you all think will happen to the media when we do not have the 24/7 shitshow that is Trump?

They will obsessively talk about the state elections coming up in 2022 and also about how perfect Biden is compared to trump.

[Neutraligon]

So no that we have established that the founding fathers had serious issues when it comes to modern morality, and that we do not want the US to emulate the countries on the list of countries that have flogging, what do you all think will happen to the media when we do not have the 24/7 shitshow that is Trump?

They will obsessively talk about the state elections coming up in 2022 and also about how perfect Biden is compared to trump.

Biden is significantly better than Trump, and I am sure there will be some time spent on that, but a normal presidency tends to be somewhat boring and quiet. There is only so long they can go about talking about how quiet it is.

[The Reformed American Republic]

They will triangulate and act like that the current situation is a utopia.

Doubt it.

The media is terrible, and they tend to have good relationships with pro-establishment figures. They just went after Trump because he had a bone to pick with them and was not a standard republican in the way he acted.

[Odreria]

Because sex with a slave cannot be consensual.

She might have felt internal pressure to have sex with him or she might have done it for special privileges like better food and an easier job. Some modern women are intimate with the bosses for the same reason. We don't know the situation and there was no trial. There is a difference between him gently seducing her and her going along with it because of attraction or want of privileges and him just grabbing her and forcing himself on her. It is unfair to assume he raped her just because she is a slave.

I- I think my brain just committed suicide. I can feel it bleeding.

[Neutraligon]

Doubt it.

The media is terrible, and they tend to have good relationships with pro-establishment figures. They just went after Trump because he had a bone to pick with them and was not a standard republican in the way he acted.

Of course the media going after trump had nothing to do with his shit decisions.

[Freiheit Reich]

So the entire west coast may not have a single high up Republican after all

[Sung to the tune of Johnny comes marching home]

Republicans are falling 2 by 2
Huzzah, huzzah
Republicans are falling 2 by 2
Huzzah, huzzah

The Republic's saved now Trump has gone
And Their party is lost without its head
We can now all breath with a sigh of relief.

I am sure having only democrats in charge means these states will be excellent places to live. After all, look at how democrats have helped US cities:

Almost All of America’s Failed Cities are Democrat Cities

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/0 ... n-perazzo/

[Duvniask]

They also owned slaves and Jefferson raped one of his. Please stop Deifying the founders.

Many nations deify their foundations, and America is no different. With that being said, we shouldn't implement something just because the founders did it.

I could be wrong here, but on a surface level, the way and also the amount Americans seem to invoke their Founding Fathers (not to mention the Constitution, o sacred document!) is different from many other liberal democracies. Other countries also celebrate their mythologized founders and other important historical figures, but the way Americans do it seems more active and involving, as the Founding Fathers and the Constitution are invoked in seemingly every conversation about matters of state.

I don't think I have ever in my life seen someone defer their answer on the desirability of policy to the founders of the Danish nation, who are temporally much further away than the likes of Washington, to be sure. But people also do not defer to other important historical figures that much here. You don't see people going "that's against the wishes of Stauning!" when someone proposes to cut down on the welfare state. It's therefore always struck me as odd how much Americans do it. I also find it notable in the amount of flags I've seen when I visited (my brain is also imagining the stereotypical home with a flag out front).

[Valrifell]

[Sung to the tune of Johnny comes marching home]

Republicans are falling 2 by 2
Huzzah, huzzah
Republicans are falling 2 by 2
Huzzah, huzzah

The Republic's saved now Trump has gone
And Their party is lost without its head
We can now all breath with a sigh of relief.

I am sure having only democrats in charge means these states will be excellent places to live. After all, look at how democrats have helped US cities:

Almost All of America’s Failed Cities are Democrat Cities

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/0 ... n-perazzo/

Almost all cities period are controlled by Democratic governments.

[Bombadil]

Doubt it.

The media is terrible, and they tend to have good relationships with pro-establishment figures. They just went after Trump because he had a bone to pick with them and was not a standard republican in the way he acted.

Yeah, what a loveable oddball he was..

[Celritannia]

[Sung to the tune of Johnny comes marching home]

Republicans are falling 2 by 2
Huzzah, huzzah
Republicans are falling 2 by 2
Huzzah, huzzah

The Republic's saved now Trump has gone
And Their party is lost without its head
We can now all breath with a sigh of relief.

I am sure having only democrats in charge means these states will be excellent places to live. After all, look at how democrats have helped US cities:

Almost All of America’s Failed Cities are Democrat Cities

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/0 ... n-perazzo/

Let me ask some simple questions.

Why do Democrats get elected to city political offices?
What caused those riots?
How did the Federal Government respond?
Who incited the violence?

[Neutraligon]

[Sung to the tune of Johnny comes marching home]

Republicans are falling 2 by 2
Huzzah, huzzah
Republicans are falling 2 by 2
Huzzah, huzzah

The Republic's saved now Trump has gone
And Their party is lost without its head
We can now all breath with a sigh of relief.

I am sure having only democrats in charge means these states will be excellent places to live. After all, look at how democrats have helped US cities:

Almost All of America’s Failed Cities are Democrat Cities

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/0 ... n-perazzo/

How is that straw army going? As an aside I would love a strong opposition part to the left of the Democrats, since the Democrats now are where Republicans where some 50 odd years ago, just modernized.

[Valrifell]

I am sure having only democrats in charge means these states will be excellent places to live. After all, look at how democrats have helped US cities:

Almost All of America’s Failed Cities are Democrat Cities

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/0 ... n-perazzo/

How is that straw army going?

They're sweeping across Europe and creating a Straw Empire! We're doomed!

[The Reformed American Republic]

Many nations deify their foundations, and America is no different. With that being said, we shouldn't implement something just because the founders did it.

I could be wrong here, but on a surface level, the way and also the amount Americans seem to invoke their Founding Fathers (not to mention the Constitution, o sacred document!) is different from many other liberal democracies. Other countries also celebrate their mythologized founders and other important historical figures, but the way Americans do it seems more active and involving, as the Founding Fathers and the Constitution are invoked in seemingly every conversation about matters of state.

I don't think I have ever in my life seen someone defer their answer on the desirability of policy to the founders of the Danish nation, who are temporally much further away than the likes of Washington, to be sure. But people also do not defer to other important historical figures that much here. You don't see people going "that's against the wishes of Stauning!" when someone proposes to cut down on the welfare state. It's therefore always struck me as odd how much Americans do it. I also find it notable in the amount of flags I've seen when I visited (my brain is also imagining the stereotypical home with a flag out front).

Most homes where I live don't have flags. With that being said, we can be a bit more patriotic that Europe, but that in itself isn't a bad thing.

[Stellar Colonies]

I really hope a true, enduring balance is struck with Title IX in the end.

One which simultaneously allows male and female rape victims to get help and justice while also ensuring innocent men and women are not dragged through the mud for something they did not do.

[Major-Tom]

[Sung to the tune of Johnny comes marching home]

Republicans are falling 2 by 2
Huzzah, huzzah
Republicans are falling 2 by 2
Huzzah, huzzah

The Republic's saved now Trump has gone
And Their party is lost without its head
We can now all breath with a sigh of relief.

I am sure having only democrats in charge means these states will be excellent places to live. After all, look at how democrats have helped US cities:

Almost All of America’s Failed Cities are Democrat Cities

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/0 ... n-perazzo/

Almost all of America's poorest and least educated states are Republican. That doesn't mean that is a Republican fault, nor the big cities the fault of the Dems.

It is the fundamental failure of the US government to address the needs of the working-class. You desperately need to see things from a less rigid and more intellectually honest lens.

[The Reformed American Republic]

The media is terrible, and they tend to have good relationships with pro-establishment figures. They just went after Trump because he had a bone to pick with them and was not a standard republican in the way he acted.

Of course the media going after trump had nothing to do with his shit decisions.

I'm not defending Trump, and if you know me, you'd know that. He obviously was a shit president.

[Neutraligon]

I really hope a true, enduring balance is struck with Title IX in the end.

One which simultaneously allows male and female rape victims to get help and justice while also ensuring innocent men and women are not dragged through the mud for something they did not do.

Would be nice by expanding the federal definition of rape to made to penetrate.

[Kowani]

Biden will recognize Juan Guaido as Venezuela's leader

jfc

[Stellar Colonies]

I really hope a true, enduring balance is struck with Title IX in the end.

One which simultaneously allows male and female rape victims to get help and justice while also ensuring innocent men and women are not dragged through the mud for something they did not do.

Would be nice by expanding the federal definition of rape to made to penetrate.

That would be an excellent start, and it is a travesty that 'made to penetrate' is so sparsely considered a form of rape.