American Politics III: New President, Same Old Country

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I know I only pop in every once in a while, but I do want to say this:

I am extremely afraid for tomorrow. I live in Tennessee and am in peoples houses fixing stuff every day. 2 today told me that "the storm is coming" and to keep an eye on the inauguration. It legit scares me that these nutcases are both rich and poor, poorly educated or very educated. What has happened to our country in the last four years is the radicalization of the right wing to the point militia men are now accepted as normal. Loeffler in Georgia even had an event with them. Its terrifying.

I'm honestly truly nervous about tomorrow.

Don't go to work. Just take a day off and load your weapons and get ready.

If you don't have a gun like me, grab a knife or frying pan or something. I'm ready for the worst since it wasn't so long ago that my state capitol was stormed by a militia and my store was stormed by a mob of maskless Trump fans.

[Neutraligon]

Trump boasts he had more people at his inauguration than Biden will.

We shall see tomorrow. Biden didn't get big crowds at his rallies meaning people voted against Trump more than they voted for Biden. Biden is not popular. Trump is just more unpopular.

Biden intentionally limited the size of his rallies, including his victory speech, since you know, pandemic.

[Omniabstracta]

We shall see tomorrow. Biden didn't get big crowds at his rallies meaning people voted against Trump more than they voted for Biden. Biden is not popular. Trump is just more unpopular.

He also requested them not to.... you know, because covid?

Shhh, everyone knows that rally size is the most scientifically accurate means of determining the amount of support a candidate has.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Many nations deify their foundations, and America is no different. With that being said, we shouldn't implement something just because the founders did it.

I never said we were unique. My point was simply "don't assume it was morally right just because the founders did it." Never stan for someone. It's okay to agree with someone sometimes but never base all your ideas around thinking a certain person is perfect.

Obviously I like the founding fathers, but yes, they supported things I wouldn't touch. Slavery for one, and corporal punishment on the other. They didn't have the Prison infrastructure that we have today, which is why such punishments were used back then. Of course, we have a mass incarceration problem now, but that's a separate issue.

[Freiheit Reich]

Well the claim was that there were insurmountable cultural difference between countries where corporal punishment was practiced and the USA. We used to do the same thing up until incredibly recently, we still have movies that reference paddling in high schools. As mentioned sailors used to be flogged, and actually preferred it to more 'humiliating' punishments like being forced to wear a sign labeling them a drunkard.

While I'm not particularly in favor of it, the idea that it's some foreign thing that would be incomprehensible to the American culture is kind of silly.

But again the cultural shift that has taken place since flogging was banned over a century ago has been massive. Trying to bring it kicking and screaming into the 21st century, as he is wanting to do, would be so jarringly anachronistic that it would cause such a culture clash that it'd be difficult, if not nigh on impossible, to integrate it.

Many nations use it in these modern times. The list is bigger than I thought when you also count whips:

Judicial corporal punishment

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_ ... punishment

[San Lumen]

We shall see tomorrow. Biden didn't get big crowds at his rallies meaning people voted against Trump more than they voted for Biden. Biden is not popular. Trump is just more unpopular.

Biden intentionally limited the size of his rallies, including his victory speech, since you know, pandemic.

regardless crowd size has never meant a darn thing when it comes to who wins an election. Otherwise Bernie Sanders would have been the nominee and we;'d have Governor Gillum in Florida.

[Shanzie]

I know I only pop in every once in a while, but I do want to say this:

I am extremely afraid for tomorrow. I live in Tennessee and am in peoples houses fixing stuff every day. 2 today told me that "the storm is coming" and to keep an eye on the inauguration. It legit scares me that these nutcases are both rich and poor, poorly educated or very educated. What has happened to our country in the last four years is the radicalization of the right wing to the point militia men are now accepted as normal. Loeffler in Georgia even had an event with them. Its terrifying.

I'm honestly truly nervous about tomorrow.

Don't go to work. Just take a day off and load your weapons and get ready.

If you don't have a gun like me, grab a knife or frying pan or something. I'm ready for the worst since it wasn't so long ago that my state capitol was stormed by a militia and my store was stormed by a mob of maskless Trump fans.

I'm in a blue city thats had no protests at all except BLM ones. Sooo I'm ok physically

[Neutraligon]

16 more hours...has there been any important pardons?

[Comerciante]

But again the cultural shift that has taken place since flogging was banned over a century ago has been massive. Trying to bring it kicking and screaming into the 21st century, as he is wanting to do, would be so jarringly anachronistic that it would cause such a culture clash that it'd be difficult, if not nigh on impossible, to integrate it.

Many nations use it in these modern times. The list is bigger than I thought when you also count whips:

Judicial corporal punishment

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_ ... punishment

Yeah... those nations sure are modern... and bastions of the freedom you supposedly support.

[Freiheit Reich]

The founding fathers Washington and Jefferson were fine with it. I am not an anarchist. Do you favor abolishing all prisons and NOT punishing people for breaking laws? Should we have suggestions instead of laws for actions like thievery and arson and rape?

Why Judicial Corporal Punishment Is Better Than Incarceration

http://corrections.com/news/article/282 ... arceration

While we often associate flogging with slavery in the United States, it was used effectively by General George Washington to discipline his mainly white troops. The Continental Congress initially authorized Washington to apply no more than 40 lashes, but in 1776, Washington sought and obtained authority from Congress to impose 100 lashes. Shortly before the battle of Yorktown, Washington sought authority to impose 500 lashes. Thomas Jefferson provided for "stripes" in a statute he drew for Virginia.

They also owned slaves and Jefferson raped one of his. Please stop Deifying the founders.

Do you have proof he raped her? How do you know it was not consensual?

[San Lumen]

16 more hours...has there been any important pardons?

we were supposed to get them this afternoon. I heard nothing reported about it.

[Bombadil]

But again the cultural shift that has taken place since flogging was banned over a century ago has been massive. Trying to bring it kicking and screaming into the 21st century, as he is wanting to do, would be so jarringly anachronistic that it would cause such a culture clash that it'd be difficult, if not nigh on impossible, to integrate it.

Many nations use it in these modern times. The list is bigger than I thought when you also count whips:

Judicial corporal punishment

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_ ... punishment

Awesome list of countries you got there..

[Neutraligon]

They also owned slaves and Jefferson raped one of his. Please stop Deifying the founders.

Do you have proof he raped her? How do you know it was not consensual?

Because sex with a slave cannot be consensual.

[The New California Republic]

But again the cultural shift that has taken place since flogging was banned over a century ago has been massive. Trying to bring it kicking and screaming into the 21st century, as he is wanting to do, would be so jarringly anachronistic that it would cause such a culture clash that it'd be difficult, if not nigh on impossible, to integrate it.

Many nations use it in these modern times. The list is bigger than I thought when you also count whips:

Judicial corporal punishment

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_ ... punishment

We are talking about the US and the culture in the US, stop trying to shift the goalposts.

[Spirit of Hope]

But again the cultural shift that has taken place since flogging was banned over a century ago has been massive. Trying to bring it kicking and screaming into the 21st century, as he is wanting to do, would be so jarringly anachronistic that it would cause such a culture clash that it'd be difficult, if not nigh on impossible, to integrate it.

Many nations use it in these modern times. The list is bigger than I thought when you also count whips:

Judicial corporal punishment

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_ ... punishment

Not a lot of nations I want to emulate on that list. I mean saying Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Qatar, Somalia, Sudan, Yemen, and the UAE do something is not going to encourage me to do it as well.

[San Lumen]

Do you have proof he raped her? How do you know it was not consensual?

Because sex with a slave cannot be consensual.

How does being a slave make it non consensual?

[Bombadil]

Because sex with a slave cannot be consensual.

How does being a slave make it non consensual?

..because there's no choice, even if consensual in effect it's still non-consensual because there's no choice in the matter.

[Neutraligon]

Because sex with a slave cannot be consensual.

How does being a slave make it non consensual?

...Because a slave literally has no ability to say no. A slave is property and the master has the right to do anything they want to them. The power difference between a slave and their master is so great as to preclude consensual sex.

[Heloin]

Because sex with a slave cannot be consensual.

How does being a slave make it non consensual?

A slave has no power to say no.

[Freiheit Reich]

Do you have proof he raped her? How do you know it was not consensual?

Because sex with a slave cannot be consensual.

She might have felt internal pressure to have sex with him or she might have done it for special privileges like better food and an easier job. Some modern women are intimate with the bosses for the same reason. We don't know the situation and there was no trial. There is a difference between him gently seducing her and her going along with it because of attraction or want of privileges and him just grabbing her and forcing himself on her. It is unfair to assume he raped her just because she is a slave.

[Neutraligon]

So no that we have established that the founding fathers had serious issues when it comes to modern morality, and that we do not want the US to emulate the countries on the list of countries that have flogging, what do you all think will happen to the media when we do not have the 24/7 shitshow that is Trump?

[Bombadil]

So no that we have established that the founding fathers had serious issues when it comes to modern morality, and that we do not want the US to emulate the countries on the list of countries that have flogging, what do you all think will happen to the media when we do not have the 24/7 shitshow that is Trump?

They haven't really turned their attention to Biden yet, though I suspect it will be AOC and the gang who bear the major brunt of right wing ire.

[Neutraligon]

So no that we have established that the founding fathers had serious issues when it comes to modern morality, and that we do not want the US to emulate the countries on the list of countries that have flogging, what do you all think will happen to the media when we do not have the 24/7 shitshow that is Trump?

They haven't really turned their attention to Biden yet, though I suspect it will be AOC and the gang who bear the major brunt of right wing ire.

True, but I doubt that places like the NYtimes or Washington post will follow suit.

[The Reformed American Republic]

So no that we have established that the founding fathers had serious issues when it comes to modern morality, and that we do not want the US to emulate the countries on the list of countries that have flogging, what do you all think will happen to the media when we do not have the 24/7 shitshow that is Trump?

They will triangulate and act like that the current situation is a utopia.

[Neutraligon]

So no that we have established that the founding fathers had serious issues when it comes to modern morality, and that we do not want the US to emulate the countries on the list of countries that have flogging, what do you all think will happen to the media when we do not have the 24/7 shitshow that is Trump?

They will triangulate and act like that the current situation is a utopia.

Doubt it.