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Postby Shrillland » Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:54 pm

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All right, here we are at Thread Three, let's continue from where we were, shall we?

Plebiscite Plaza 2021, your home for ballot initiatives for the year.

First up is an amendment that would lead to redistricting reform. The amendment would allow the state 10-member redistricting commission(made up of 4 Democrats, 4 Republicans, and 2 non-partisans) to approve a new legislative map by majority vote if a single party holds both legislative houses. Currently, it requires a two-thirds majority when a party holds both. Second, the amendment would require prisoners to be counted in the census according to their last known residence rather than the prison they're in. Third, it would require the state to count non-citizens when it comes to redistricting. Fourth, State Senate district would no longer be bound to the "block-on'-border" requirement, meaning that (A), city blocks could now be divided into different districts, and (B), the commission is no longer required to take adjacent towns or city blocks on the borders of districts in mind when drawing maps. Currently, they have to ensure that towns or blocks are placed in such a way as to make neighbouring districts equal in population and the districts can't have a greater population difference between them than the population of that border town or block. Fifth, it would permanently cap the State Senate at 63 seats, and sixth, it moves up the deadline for redistricting to November 1, 2021(and so on) from January 1, 2022(and so on).

Amendment number two would create a constitutional right to clean water, clean air, and a healthful environment.

The first amendment, to be voted on on May 18 like the others, would amend the constitution to prohibit the denial or abridgement of rights based on race or ethnicity, primarily to stop Affirmative Action.

Amendments number two and three both regard emergency declarations. Two would limit emergency declarations issued by the governor to no more than 21 days unless the legislature votes for an extension. The amendment would also allow the legislature to pass laws regarding how these declarations can be managed. Three would allow the legislature to unilaterally extend or terminate a governor's emergency declaration by a simple majority vote. This resolution could not be vetoed by the governor.
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-Ra- wrote:Ivanka Trump in 2024? I've been hearing chatter.


For prison? Sure.
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The Huskar Social Union wrote:Mmmmmm That new Americana thread smell.


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Sixth! Siiiiiiiiiiixth! Or... fifth?
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New thread, tastes like cheeseburgers and freedom.

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Heloin wrote:I'd argue RFSI's point is still broken seeing that he's calling for forceful, violent assimilation into one singular culture were all others are treated as inferior.


Yeah, gotta agree, that part was hella cringe.

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I dont Ivanka could play the game as well as her father, dont see her standing a chance unless the Democrats drop the ball and blow it up at the same time.
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Postby Esalia » Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:57 pm

Ah, a fresh thread.

Watch this thread get 300 pages in 3 days because of the inauguration and Trump senate trial news.
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Postby Spirit of Hope » Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:57 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
-Ra- wrote:Ivanka Trump in 2024? I've been hearing chatter.


For prison? Sure.


I'd hope she's in prison before 2024 if someone brings criminal charges.
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Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
-Ra- wrote:Ivanka Trump in 2024? I've been hearing chatter.


For prison? Sure.

Uh! Spoiler alert!
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The Huskar Social Union wrote:Mmmmmm That new Americana thread smell.


Smells like shit.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:58 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Freiheit actually does have a point in regards to Mormon reparations. They were pretty consistently attacked and driven out of civilized society towards the frontier, Smith himself was killed by a mob. If we're doing reparations it makes sense to include them. Natives too, obvs.


Natives deserve way more and it's a shame that native issues aren't picked up by mainstream politics.

But also the mormons are very well-to-do these days ever since we gave them Utah, the situations aren't comparable.


Agree entirely on the bit about native issues. I've mentioned before I grew up with lots of interactions with the Nisqually and Puyallup tribes in WA and it's shameful how often these people are just forgotten.

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There is exactly a 0% chance anyone with the Trump name can win a general election going forward.
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Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
-Ra- wrote:Ivanka Trump in 2024? I've been hearing chatter.


For prison? Sure.


But why would you put her in prison?

Besides, she has zero talent.

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Kannap wrote:*sets up a storefront on the front lawn*

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Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
-Ra- wrote:Ivanka Trump in 2024? I've been hearing chatter.


For prison? Sure.

Ivanka carrying on Eugene V. Debs’ legacy would be a hell of a twist
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Postby Senkaku » Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:00 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
-Ra- wrote:Ivanka Trump in 2024? I've been hearing chatter.


For prison? Sure.

I'm really curious if the assumption that the base is not that into her will hold and she'll fall flat on her face, or if they'll obey her dad's wishes if he gets behind her and actually power a decent run. I expect the former, since the latter is just too awful to think about, but I suppose it could happen, since I've been wrong about a Trump's popular appeal in a primary before.

I think he's going to try himself in 2024, though, if he's alive, not in prison, and not prevented from running by an impeachment conviction (or possibly even if he is), which means she's going to be on the back burner for a few more years. Most theories about her possibly wanting to mount a run are focused on the idea of her primarying Rubio, which strikes me as surprisingly plausible given her father's hold on the base and enmity with Rubio. You can't just go straight to the presidency, after all-- a partial Senate term seems to be the minimum qualification needed since Obama.
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Kowani wrote:
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For prison? Sure.

Ivanka carrying on Eugene V. Debs’ legacy would be a hell of a twist

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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:01 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote: There's no one alive to repay; ergo, no reparations.

You don't think slavery had any legacies, either within families or throughout our society, that continued to cause harm after it was abolished and might have affected people alive today?


No, I think the failure of several consecutive administrations up to the present day to formally assimilate a former slave caste into an ever-growing urban, industrial society has left said former slaves and their descendant trapped in a permanent limbo of lower class culture leaving them outside the purview of traditional American society and preventing them from becoming fully American and that more should be done to correct this.

What I don't believe is that reparations are the answer.
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Postby Nakena » Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:01 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
For prison? Sure.

I'm really curious if the assumption that the base is not that into her will hold and she'll fall flat on her face, or if they'll obey her dad's wishes if he gets behind her and actually power a decent run. I expect the former, since the latter is just too awful to think about, but I suppose it could happen, since I've been wrong about a Trump's popular appeal in a primary before.

I think he's going to try himself in 2024, though, if he's alive, not in prison, and not prevented from running by an impeachment conviction (or possibly even if he is), which means she's going to be on the back burner for a few more years. Most theories about her possibly wanting to mount a run are focused on the idea of her primarying Rubio, which strikes me as surprisingly plausible given her father's hold on the base and enmity with Rubio.


If he can he will try to run in 2024.

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Postby Senkaku » Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:02 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Senkaku wrote:You don't think slavery had any legacies, either within families or throughout our society, that continued to cause harm after it was abolished and might have affected people alive today?


No, I think the failure of several consecutive administrations up to the present day to formally assimilate a former slave caste into an ever-growing urban, industrial society has left said former slaves and their descendant trapped in a permanent limbo of lower class culture leaving them outside the purview of traditional American society and preventing them from becoming fully American and that more should be done to correct this.

What I don't believe is that reparations are the answer.

Maybe not the answer on their own, but why not a part of the answer? If someone's biggest problem is that they don't have enough money, why not give them money?
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