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Save the women and the children first
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The Marlborough
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Postby The Marlborough » Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:03 pm

Atheris wrote:
The Marlborough wrote:Life boats have to take into account space and weight. Even if it's myself and one child, if letting go of my spot means another one or two kids can get on then I'm stepping off and putting them in the boat.

Or you could move to another seat. They're good big boats, Brent.

Life boats have to take into account space and weight.
Even if there are enough life boats, they should be filled with women and children first as sometimes ships sink before all the boats can be filled. Once most or all of the women and children have been able to get off the ship, we can start packing the lifeboats more with men.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:07 pm

It's a bit of a chauvenistic holdover of women being as helpless as children and men as noble saviors, the kind of bullshit that sends us off to war as well.

However there is a germ of logic to it once you remove the idea that 'men-capable, women-helpless'. Able bodied people helping less able bodied people make it to safety could increase the number of people who make it to safety. Which is to say if you can help and there are people who need help, help. It's sitting next to the emergency door on an airplane. Whoever you are, you're helping people off that fucking plane. Then go.

I would say that's a principle I 'live' by, but I haven't really been tested. I might run like a motherfucker, I don't know. I mean, I tell the attendants I'll help but when push comes to shove I might open that door and dive the fuck out screaming "I LIED!" I hope not, but honestly I hope I never get tested way more.
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Postby Atheris » Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:08 pm

The Marlborough wrote:
Atheris wrote:Or you could move to another seat. They're good big boats, Brent.

Life boats have to take into account space and weight.
Even if there are enough life boats, they should be filled with women and children first as sometimes ships sink before all the boats can be filled. Once most or all of the women and children have been able to get off the ship, we can start packing the lifeboats more with men.

But why specifically women and children? If an injured man was on his way to the lifeboat and a perfectly healthy woman gets there just a second faster than him, you'd let her on despite the man being in much more danger? That's pretty sexist, my dude. You shouldn't discriminate life based on their gender.
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Postby The Horror Channel » Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:17 pm

The kids? Sure, get them on first.
The women? Nope, I believe in equality

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Postby Proctopeo » Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:29 pm

As others have said, children first, then everyone else equally.

Alternatively, offer seats first to the people who give the least fucks about the current events.
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:38 pm

There is also another interesting question. What if it happened in China? That would likely be might makes right. Survivors would be mostly adult men.
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Postby Nattily Dressed Anarchists on Bicycles » Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:42 pm

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:What if it happened in China?


Probably can't fit too many people in a tea cup.

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Postby ImperialRussia » Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:43 pm

First come first serve loyalty to the state is demanded by all genders for state and country to serve the nation

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Postby The Marlborough » Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:45 pm

Atheris wrote:
The Marlborough wrote:Even if there are enough life boats, they should be filled with women and children first as sometimes ships sink before all the boats can be filled. Once most or all of the women and children have been able to get off the ship, we can start packing the lifeboats more with men.

But why specifically women and children? If an injured man was on his way to the lifeboat and a perfectly healthy woman gets there just a second faster than him, you'd let her on despite the man being in much more danger? That's pretty sexist, my dude. You shouldn't discriminate life based on their gender.

If it was a more or less healthy man that had been injured recently while during the chaos, i.e. maybe he twisted his ankle or something rushing down the stairs, then yeah I'd let the woman on first. There is a case to be made for the disabled and other similar cases or for those whom their injuries caused by the accident are so severe that their ability to look after themselves in the event of the ship sinking prior to getting in a lifeboat is that diminished, but for the most part yeah fit adult men shouldn't take the place of a woman or child unless deemed necessary. *shrug*
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Postby Atheris » Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:47 pm

The Marlborough wrote:
Atheris wrote:But why specifically women and children? If an injured man was on his way to the lifeboat and a perfectly healthy woman gets there just a second faster than him, you'd let her on despite the man being in much more danger? That's pretty sexist, my dude. You shouldn't discriminate life based on their gender.

If it was a more or less healthy man that had been injured recently while during the chaos, i.e. maybe he twisted his ankle or something rushing down the stairs, then yeah I'd let the woman on first. There is a case to be made for the disabled and other similar cases or for those whom their injuries caused by the accident are so severe that their ability to look after themselves in the event of the ship sinking prior to getting in a lifeboat is that diminished, but for the most part yeah fit adult men shouldn't take the place of a woman or child unless deemed necessary. *shrug*

How sexist of you.
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Postby The Marlborough » Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:55 pm

Atheris wrote:
The Marlborough wrote:If it was a more or less healthy man that had been injured recently while during the chaos, i.e. maybe he twisted his ankle or something rushing down the stairs, then yeah I'd let the woman on first. There is a case to be made for the disabled and other similar cases or for those whom their injuries caused by the accident are so severe that their ability to look after themselves in the event of the ship sinking prior to getting in a lifeboat is that diminished, but for the most part yeah fit adult men shouldn't take the place of a woman or child unless deemed necessary. *shrug*

How sexist of you.

Yep. Wait until you find out my views on conscription, it'll knock your socks off.
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Postby ImperialRussia » Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:56 pm

All have equal qualities to serve the nation all children and women come first come and first serve for the nation and state benefit from the youth equality can be deemed to serve the nation no matter what gender they are they can equally all they have to do is to become fearless and deemed to be become useful for the state benefit if they show no fear they can condemned to be free citizens showing no fear anything for the state deemed as useful citizens no worry and panic for they accepted the Rendered Fearless Identification Device making their conscience lose the ability making useful for the state in it’s activities amongst its citizens for this looks for a techno authoritarian regime looks like to be a dystopia of sort were people be more loyal to state wether than own freedoms.

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Postby Atheris » Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:01 pm

The Marlborough wrote:
Atheris wrote:How sexist of you.

Yep. Wait until you find out my views on conscription, it'll knock your socks off.

I respect you doubling down.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:05 pm

The Titanic is statistically highly unlikely to be repeated, due to all the safety precautions that are in place (many of which were brought in after the Titanic maritime disaster). Modern international voyage ships must have at least 50% of the lifeboats or liferafts required for the passengers per side of the boat (i.e. at least 100%).

But, say I found myself on Titanic 2, I would basically agree with Huskar, with a couple of additions: children, pregnant women, people who are injured, the disabled and the elderly. Then get all the able-bodied off the ship, men and women alike, regardless of how much they paid.

Also, I would suggest not telling the other ship warning you're heading into an iceberg field, and that you should slow down, to "shut-up". That may also have helped.
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:06 pm

The Free Joy State wrote:The Titanic is statistically highly unlikely to be repeated, due to all the safety precautions that are in place (many of which were brought in after the Titanic maritime disaster). Modern international voyage ships must have at least 50% of the lifeboats or liferafts required for the passengers per side of the boat (i.e. at least 100%).

But, say I found myself on Titanic 2, I would basically agree with Huskar, with a couple of additions: children, pregnant women, people who are injured, the disabled and the elderly. Then get all the able-bodied off the ship, men and women alike, regardless of how much they paid.

Also, I would suggest not telling the other ship warning you're heading into an iceberg field to "shut-up". That may also have helped.


The place where we might get Titanic 2.0 is known as.......spacecrafts.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:10 pm

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:The Titanic is statistically highly unlikely to be repeated, due to all the safety precautions that are in place (many of which were brought in after the Titanic maritime disaster). Modern international voyage ships must have at least 50% of the lifeboats or liferafts required for the passengers per side of the boat (i.e. at least 100%).

But, say I found myself on Titanic 2, I would basically agree with Huskar, with a couple of additions: children, pregnant women, people who are injured, the disabled and the elderly. Then get all the able-bodied off the ship, men and women alike, regardless of how much they paid.

Also, I would suggest not telling the other ship warning you're heading into an iceberg field to "shut-up". That may also have helped.


The place where we might get Titanic 2.0 is known as.......spacecrafts.

Actually someone is planning to build a ship called Titanic II.

Though I have to say that building a ship named for, and in the style of, a doomed ocean liner in which more than 1500 people died seems in... very poor taste.
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Postby Sanghyeok » Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:13 pm

The Free Joy State wrote:The Titanic is statistically highly unlikely to be repeated, due to all the safety precautions that are in place (many of which were brought in after the Titanic maritime disaster). Modern international voyage ships must have at least 50% of the lifeboats or liferafts required for the passengers per side of the boat (i.e. at least 100%).

But, say I found myself on Titanic 2, I would basically agree with Huskar, with a couple of additions: children, pregnant women, people who are injured, the disabled and the elderly. Then get all the able-bodied off the ship, men and women alike, regardless of how much they paid.

Also, I would suggest not telling the other ship warning you're heading into an iceberg field, and that you should slow down, to "shut-up". That may also have helped.


Sanghyeok wrote:I believe the rules should be similar to priority seats on the metro: aim to help the injured/disabled, young, pregnant women and elderly first.



We came to the same conclusion, it seems.
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Postby Atheris » Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:17 pm

Sanghyeok wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:The Titanic is statistically highly unlikely to be repeated, due to all the safety precautions that are in place (many of which were brought in after the Titanic maritime disaster). Modern international voyage ships must have at least 50% of the lifeboats or liferafts required for the passengers per side of the boat (i.e. at least 100%).

But, say I found myself on Titanic 2, I would basically agree with Huskar, with a couple of additions: children, pregnant women, people who are injured, the disabled and the elderly. Then get all the able-bodied off the ship, men and women alike, regardless of how much they paid.

Also, I would suggest not telling the other ship warning you're heading into an iceberg field, and that you should slow down, to "shut-up". That may also have helped.


Sanghyeok wrote:I believe the rules should be similar to priority seats on the metro: aim to help the injured/disabled, young, pregnant women and elderly first.



We came to the same conclusion, it seems.

The only logical one, really, from my eyes.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:28 pm

What if I don't like some of the women? Can we like not save those particular women at all?
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Postby Proctopeo » Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:32 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:What if I don't like some of the women? Can we like not save those particular women at all?

Don't worry, evil stepmothers aren't able to enter lifeboats. It's like vampires entering houses.
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Postby New Manifour » Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:34 pm

When that’s the first thing you think about, that a pretentious opinion if it were to globalization.

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Postby Nattily Dressed Anarchists on Bicycles » Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:39 pm

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:The place where we might get Titanic 2.0 is known as.......spacecrafts.


In the far distant future, perhaps. Not claiming to be an expert by any means, but probably for a while, lifeboats-in-space are probably not going to be a thing. Besides being a ton of extra mass to push with a primary fuel supply, they will themselves require enough fuel and supplies to get back to where ever it is you came from. Which will be more complicated than "point at Earth and press go," all due respect to Sandra Bullock.

Only two IRL examples I can think of are which ever Soyuz or Dragon is parked at the ISS, and the lunar lander during Apollo 13. And the latter was more of a shelter to sit in while Newton did his thing and was otherwise completely backwards, with crew getting off before re-entry. It was all men, as I recall.

But yeah, when they say Mars is one-way, they're really not kidding.
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Postby Comerciante » Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:43 pm

Children should definitely get on first, but after that, it's first come first serve in my opinion.

I won't fault the Captain's choice though.
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:47 pm

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:There is also another interesting question. What if it happened in China? That would likely be might makes right. Survivors would be mostly adult men.


The survivors would be mostly women 45 and older. You should see how strong and aggressive they get when there is a crowd waiting to get on a bus. They are not shy about cutting in line.
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Postby Molither » Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:23 am

In my opinion the order should go:

Children and teens, Their Caregivers, The frail and then a free for all
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